To all the club champions

Discussion in 'Adult League & Tournament Talk' started by dlam, Oct 16, 2012.

  1. dlam

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    if you were playing an inexperienced young player with no strategy, and you were leading 5-0 and you knew you were going to win, would you not just ease up and let him win 1 or 2 games before you close it out?
    Just think its just rude and demoralizing to shut anyone out 6-0 6-0 if you know you are going to win.
     
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  2. kylebarendrick

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    Giving away a few games to make someone feel better does have an impact on ratings and I'd actually consider it cheating in a USTA match. If the match is just for fun then that is a different story...
     
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  3. OrangePower

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    Haha I am no club champion, but...

    There have been very few times when I have won 0 & 0, although I've had multiple chances to do it against weaker players. I don't deliberately throw games, but I definitely ease up a bit, maybe try some different stuff I wouldn't usually try in a match, and also I admit that I lose a bit of focus. So usually even a much weaker opponent will get one or two games.

    There have only been a couple of times (that I remember offhand) that I have won 0 & 0, and in both cases I was specifically trying to make a point and so was focused on getting the double bagel.
     
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  4. Mongolmike

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    I played a guy in a tourney, and I was up 6-0 4-0. I knew I was a much stronger player than him, and he seemed like a decent guy. So he is up 40-30 in the 5th game and I figured I'd help him out a bit so in the next ralley I gave him a nice sitter inside the service box and I left 2/3's of the court open for him. He cranked it into the net. He double faulted, then another unforced error and he lost the game. I just shook my head and laughed to myself, then closed him out on my serve.

    My point is two-fold. #1 - Earn it, and #2 - don't get pissy if the other player is smoking you (as long as they aren't being a dick about it). You never know, they may actually be holding back and trying to help you, but you aren't good enough to take advantage of their offer. Maybe you need to improve your game... so do it and quit hoping someone is gonna take pity. Chances are they've worked hard to get to the level they are... they earned the win. Harsh, maybe, but truth.
     
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  5. rufus_smith

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    If the game score has no future bearing on some league or tourney rating, I ease up. It is not so much for charity as it is to protect my body from unnecessary stress and injury and to rest it for the next match since I play nearly every day and sometimes twice in a day. I not to going chase down a drop shot or change directions real quick. Save my feet and knees.
     
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  6. LeeD

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    You don't get to be club champion by being a nice guy.
    Most top level players, not club champions, would give a game, or at least ease up to allow the opponent to win a game.
    Depends, most club champions are pushers. If they are hitters hitting winners, they would give a few points to allow the opponent to win a game.
    Pushers NEED every point they can possibly garner, so they won't give away a game, usually.
     
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  7. beernutz

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    I agree it might be demoralizing for the loser to lose in double bagels but on the other hand it might motivate them to work harder. I've taken numerous bagels in the first set of a league match and gone on to win the second set and tiebreak and in at least some of those situations I'm pretty sure my opponent actually took their foot off the gas intentionally thinking the match was over. So my advice is finish the damn match then invite the opponent to play some social tennis and hand them a few games if that would make you feel better.

    I disagree that it should ever be considered rude to play your best in a formal competitive match such as a club or USTA tournament or a league match. Social tennis is a different animal entirely and different rules apply.
     
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  8. tennis tom

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    Definitely NOT! I've been there on the other side of the net. I was playing a tournament that had 10 year age group increments rather than the standard five years. I was giving away an age group to the guy who won the tournament. I was being double bagled and he TRIED to take pity on me and give me a game. I knew what he was doing and it played with my biceps and triceps so much that I couldn't take that game on a silver platter! It was actually quite comical and absurd and we both knew it.

    So, NO charity, tournament players don't give away games, for one thing it can come back to bite you. Take them out of their misery, that's merciful. Life's best lessons are usually the ones that are hard learned. It's actually insulting and hurts more to have to be given a charity game like a bone to a dog.
     
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  9. Mike Y

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    Never. There is no clock in tennis, there is no sure victory until you win that final point. I have come back from some crazy deficits before, and I have lost when I have had match points. So you can't let up when you have a lead. Off the top of my head some of my comebacks have included:

    Was down 5-7, 6-6 (0-5), won 5-7, 7-6 (9-7), 6-3.
    Was down 6-3, 4-6, 3-5 15-40, won 6-3, 4-6, 7-5.
    Was down 2-5 30-40, won 7-5, 6-1.

    I have lost in these situations before:

    Was up 6-1, 4-1, lost 6-1, 4-6, 3-6.
    Was up 6-3, 5-7, 6-5 40-15, lost 6-3, 5-7, 6-7 (5-7).
    Was up 6-0, 1-0, lost 6-0, 4-6, 4-6.

    So I never let up, because you never know if your opponent will catch fire. Also, I have been double-bageled in league play this year, and I have given out a double-bagel. I don't believe there were any ill-feelings in either match.
     
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  10. Tennis Truth

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    I don't give any charity games away.

    1) If their level is similar to yours, there is always a chance they could come back and win.
    2) If their level is lower than yours, you are not doing them any favors by giving them a false impression of their skills/level
    3) To win in tennis, you have to believe you can win. Don't inflate your opponent's belief they can beat you. You may play them again in the future, so why help their confidence next time around? I would rather they think there is no hope to win. 0,0 equal "no hope." 1-1 equals "some hope."
     
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  11. mikeler

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    I was up 6-0, 5-0 on a guy in a club tournament. He served for the last game and I tried my best to "help" him win the game without him knowing but a few double faults ruined my plan and I felt bad.
     
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  12. tennis tom

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    AMEN!.....
     
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  13. tennisplayer1993

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    nope i usually go for the 6-0 6-0 if i'm already up 5-0
     
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  14. TheCanadian

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    One problem with this attitude that you may give a game or two to an opponent and suddenly that opponent starts playing better and it becomes a real match because you let the guy in, instead of shutting the door.

    Nobody forces one to play tournaments. It's not an obligation, if you have a fragile ego just stay out of tournaments. I'd be offended by the thought of anyone giving me a game like I'm a street beggar or something.
     
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  15. Tennishacker

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    On the premise that I'm going to win easily over a young junior, I would mix in games where I would let him make the first error.
     
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  16. Tennis Truth

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    What are the chances that the OP is the "inexperienced young player" that lost 6-0,6-0?
     
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  17. Timbo's hopeless slice

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    Sorry, no. In an actual match I try to win every point.

    Coaching is completely different, obviously.
     
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  18. floridatennisdude

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    Great post, can't say it any better.

    But I am no club champ. I just don't believe in handing over anything.
     
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  19. dizzlmcwizzl

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    Perhaps I might give away games if I felt that I was in total control. I do not inherently need to win every game.

    However, feeling totally in control has never happened for me. Usually I feel like I need to press hard to maintain an edge. Any time I relax when I am way up my game falls apart ... I cannot imagine relaxing on purpose just to let the other guy feel good about himself.
     
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  20. OHBH

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    I never give up on a game. Yesterday morning was playing practice match and won 6-0 6-0 6-1 with many games often going to multiple deuces and at the end I was angry that I had lost that one game. All it took was a botched volley and a couple double faults to ruin the elusive triple bagel. Suppose I had given away a courtesy game before making a few UE's on my serve, then my opponent would have 2 games and the momentum in the set. You never know how quickly things can turn around.
     
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  21. floridatennisdude

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    Yep, I was down 1-5 in the third last week. I sensed my opponent go into cruise control and I made a few shots. Next thing you know, I won 6 straight and the match.

    Never take your foot off the gas in this game. Or, really, any game.
     
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  22. tennis tom

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    Very Good Point!
     
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  23. chatt_town

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    No, I shut them down 0 and 0 for a couple of reasons. The first is I could hurt myself or he hurt himself being out there any longer than I have to be. The next thing is it gives him a false sense of security. Getting beat 0 and 0 can have a couple of effects. You can either be demorilized or whatever and stop playing forever or you can say to yourself that it's not acceptable getting beat like that and go work on it and do something about it. I had a guy that too me out and beat me for 5 sets and he told me I wouldn't get a game and I didn't. Of course that was 9 years ago. That beating along with some others I got taught me a lesson. That was probably the best lesson I got though because the guy told me I wouldn't get a game. It showed me my weaknesses. So I today dish out the same beatings I took and I have to tell you...it's much better on this end than the first, the thing is though I used the beatings I took as lessons to get to this point.


     
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  24. penpal

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    I used to play a lot of tournaments and my attitude in a tournament was always, if I was lucky enough to get an easy match then I need to take care of business as quickly as possible so as to save energy for the remainder of the tournament. IMO, the most effective energy-saving strategy was to win as handily as I could and get off the court as quickly as I could, so I gave no free games away.
     
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  25. Bedrock

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    1) It is disrespectful to start fooling around just because you have advantage.
    2) Who said you will win 0-0 until match is over. (Are you looking for excuse if you couldn't win with double bagels)
    3) Do not worry in the next round you will get someone who may teach you a lesson:)

    Feeling а pity to your opponent is normal and usual for beginning players. The best you can do is to get rid of this feeling as soon as possible.
     
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  26. Mongolmike

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    I took it as the OP was the one who got it handed to him, and wanted a pity game. And so far from the responses, he won't find one here either. Step up your game son and quit blaming the opponent for your losses.
     
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  27. Bedrock

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    Thanks,
    I did not pay enough attention.

    Back to the subject:
    Yes it is rude. But who said it always will be a fun?
    There is a lot of disappointment in competition. Just step over it.


    However I'm not bloodthirsty (at least not as ten years ago). I could surrender a game or two if it helps.
    It is true that some people get excited (even happy) when they get even one game. I know a few such guys. I always think - whether they have any idea why they won or not.

    Skills and experiance buy the most of the success.
     
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