To All the TW 130 mph Servers

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  1. ihearit1st

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    Justin Shane, a Blue Chip recruit, just committed to UVA. He's 6'5 and is quoted ""That's who I like. I play like him," Shane said. "I'm an aggressive baseliner. I have a pretty good serve, around 110 (miles per hour), and like to move my opponent around a lot. I'll come in occasionally if I get an easier shot."

    I read too often on this site that TW posters can crack 125, 130 with their serves, or know someone who can. This kid is a blue chip, incredibly tall, and considers his 110 mph serve big. Hopefully now when people read about these HUGE serves we talk about TWers having, we can realize they're probably adding 35mphs.
     
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  2. sureshs

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    Since there are no TW 130 mph servers, no one will respond on this thread. Or rather, they shouldn't.
     
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  3. Being tall has nothing to do with the speed of the serve, Roddick and Tsonga serves a lot harder than for example Karlovic and Isner, Thomas Johansson who was just under 6` served around 130-135 mph whenever he wanted.
     
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  4. ibeeskeef

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    I regularly serve way over 135. Sometimes I have been known to break the 145 barrier!! (we are talking about kilometers per hour, right?)
     
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  5. sureshs

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    No..............
     
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    I have not seen many say they can serve 130 mph but I agree, a lot of people over estimate how hard they serve, not sure if it is ego or wishful thinking.

    I feel sure a guy like Tony Lars plays guys who can serve 125-130 who can't come close to handling him.
    It's only one aspect of the game.
     
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  7. advantagetennis1

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    not manyppl serve 125 to 130 and if they do its not just there serve thats good... have u seen anyone hit a 130 mph serve in the box then not know how to hit a forehand? justin shanes a very good player prob equivalent to about 500 atp. he hits huge
     
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  8. 10isplayer

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    Shane is a very good player but he is definitely not equivalent to ATP 500 player as you say.
     
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  9. Kick Serve 14

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    While i agree with your statements... being tall has nothing to do with it... i can go up to 100 mph at will and i'm 5'9"
     
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  10. Lindsay

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    I think some of the biggest servers in the game were taller than usual. Sampras, ivanesevic, krajicek, rudsedski, roddick. I believe they are all at least 6 '2. And I think we can all agree that isner and karlovic wouldn't be top 100 without their serves. I will admit height doesn't guarantee a big serve, but it's very important. Last I heard the average top 100 tour height was 6' even. I would say the top 10 servers on the tour, without looking at stats before hand, are averaging over 6'2.

    I think this thread is about the over exageration of players on these boards, but I could be wrong.
     
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  11. Orly?yarly!nowai!

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    Here is about 115 on first serves

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGJxugMcni8

    You are 100% correct, most people that say they can sever 125 are lying
     
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    i got gunned at kalamazoo at 115 and Im only 5'9" I think its only believable on here if 1) u have a video or 2) people know who u r and what ur ranked. If someone is a 1 or 2 star they probably dont serve 115+
     
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  13. sk8ing

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    I'm 15 and 5'9 and I got serve 100Mph but not consitently with bad placement...but I can top 100 ;)
     
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    if its in 130 kmh, maybe im a candidate.
     
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    Many people on this site have a delusion of speed. Most of them that state they can serve 125-130 most likely haven't even clocked their actual serve.
    Problem is: barely anyone on this forum has properly clocked their serve, and base their estimation on what they "feel" their serve speed is.

    Personally, when I started out I thought I could serve at least 100 mph. I finally purchased a speed gun, and was devastated that the max I served (even those really good ones) were only 80 mph. No matter how hard I tried, I couldn't top 83 mph.

    After that humbling experience, I made it a point to learn how to serve over 100 mph. Only after a while of learning techniques of serving faster, did I finally get to the 100 mph range and over. The max I have clocked is 115.

    But what is a good indicator of proper serve speed when you can't compare it to other people? Another advantage I had was I was able to use the same speed gun with university players. I set up the clock for them, served a 90mph serve, and one or two 100-105mph serves, then without changing anything, had them serve it up. While I could only get a max of 108 mph, they were easily clocking in at 112-118. They all decided to crank it up and several guys got 130+ serves in, but not everyone on the team could do it.

    How could these guys serve so fast yet I could not? Proper technique and ability was key. Even their shorter players could serve in the 120s.
     
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  16. mtommer

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    This year? If so, you served faster. Most players with previous gun measurements said on avg about 7-10 mph slow.
     
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    Let's say that you can truly hit 100+mph serves.

    Can you do it with a success rate over 60% throughout a 3 or 5 set match?

    I'm not talking once in a while but all the time. And not the usual "practice as 4.5-5.0 but play 3.0-3.5 during matches".

    r,
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    Pim Pim is the man. no questions asked
     
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  20. Swissv2

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    In TW World...of course!

    There are many on these forums that can serve
    • Faster than both Nadal and Federer but not as fast as Roddick
    • Have a 110+ mph (yes, mph) "kick serve" *which is faster than Roddick's kick serve*
    • Have at least a 70% serve percentage or above.
    We witness "greatness" on TW forums on a daily basis.
    :mrgreen:
     
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  21. ClarkC

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    True. Herve Villechaize regularly served over 140 miles per hour.
     
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    effortlessly
     
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    In the body, too.
     
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  24. WBF

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    So because one good player says he has a 110mph serve and said it was pretty good (which you extrapolated to 'big'), other people don't serve faster?

    Please consider a course on logic.

    I'm one of the people who claim this by the way (120 nowadays: weak/out of shape). Players like him would dominate me. So would most D1 players. Regardless of how they serve. Why? Because tennis isn't about a serve. And a serve isn't about MPH.
     
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  25. coyfish

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    I have clocked my serve at 125 down the middle. Was my fastest serve going for nothing but pace.

    I served normally and averaged 100-110 on flat 1st serves aiming for spots. I play on the club team at college and all of the 4.5+ guys serve 100+ on flat 1st serves with few exception. I just think most of the TW posters are young and/or lower level.

    But I agree with WBF. I find that a lot of the people I play end up returning / playing better themselves when I increase my level. I serve 110mph down the T and they bump it back deep to the baseline. Then I serve an 80mph right down the middle and they mishit it. Its pretty funny.
     
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  26. Dream_On

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    I had my serve clocked at 115 mph at my club the other day, not sure how accurate the speedgun was but it only went up to 115..

    Thing is though, hitting it at 100mph is so much more consistant and easyer to place since when I hit it the hardest I can I get not so much control or consistancy on it and any decent player will just block it back.
     
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  27. skyzoo

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    You definitly hit around 160 +
     
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  28. jmhs

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    You need to see Justin play before making your point. If you've seen Justin serve, you know that his serve is, as he says, "pretty good" (not "big"). He places it well and moves it around. But it's probably the weakest part of his game.
     
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  29. ihearit1st

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    Funny, I have.
     
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  30. ClarkC

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    I have seen him play, and I did not think his serve was the weakest part of his game. Neither did the Division I coaches who were watching.
     
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  31. Dream_On

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    oh yeah?

    I reckon I could hit 200 if im honest, maybe more on a good day :shock:

    Not as fast as you obv, you must serve at 250
     
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  32. bigfoot910

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    How did you calculate the speed on those serves? I have played with both of those guys and don't ever remember seeing them hit 115...

    They are solid players, but I don't see any rockets coming off the serve.
     
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  33. jmhs

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    No problem. I'm not dumb enough to argue with you or D1 coaches.

    Although I've watched him play a lot, I haven't drawn (a word:wink:? him in MATA L1s, my friends who have played him more than once say that his serve is attackable...groundies are mighty tough...volleys okay...movement not great. He would have no trouble holding serve against me, but it would be more because his supreme confidence and skill in his Del Potro-like ground game. He will really be ridiculous when he beefs up.
     
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  34. LafayetteHitter

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    Being in the nightclub business for many years we learn to judge our competitors door count numbers that they report to us this way, whatever they say minus 50 to 75 percent. I say the same goes for most of the guys here with their serve numbers.
     
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  35. babolat15

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    I am very close friends with Ryan Lipman. For those of you who are not familiar with him he came in 2nd at the zoo this year and is now starting a successful career at Vandy. When him and I were training I asked him how hard he typically serves. He told me normally he doesnt go over 90. The catch is that he has put him self in the situation where he can hit it 90 and place it on a dime. The precision he uses when serving sets him up to win a lot more points then being able to serve 125. With most people today pace isn't that important if they can see the ball they can get it back. 130 into the returners strike zone is a lot worse than an 85 mph slider place on the line.
     
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  36. skyzoo

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    No. why would I lie about my serve speed? I max out at 12 km/h. I ussualy don't go for the flat serves because I can't place it very well. My slice serve is where it's at though.
     
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  37. ace92

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    size definitely does has to be taken into account. justin shanes serve is definitely considered weak compared to the rest of the game. part of this might be because he is not a very good athlete or because he is so skinny. there are a handfew of senior bluechips who can serve about 130 on a regular basis and he definitely isnt one of them.
     
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  38. NickC

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    I know someone who has clocked it at 125, or faster. Of course, that person now plays at a high-level D1 program and played at Kalamazoo several times...
     
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  39. Dashbarr

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    I have been clocked at 110, and I know I can serve harder than that. 130? No, but I have seen people who are not pro's or Div I players that have flirted with 135.
     
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    You're weak and out of shape yet serve 120 mph? Could you post video of it here, please?

    (You don't need a course in logic, but I'd like to suggest a polygraph.)
     
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  41. okdude1992

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    I know a guy who got clocked at 138 mph once. that is BIG! He practiced with taylor dent a couple of years ago. played d3 college. former baseball pitcher who could throw in the 90s. serve and volley player. mediocre groundstrokes.

    In reality most people who say they can hit 130 on this board are full of ****.
     
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  42. MethodTennis

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    Most I've hit was 73mph but that was 2 years ago i last got clocked and i was only 11 and 5ft now im probably hitting a tad faster but not much maybe 3-4mph faster. Placement is much improved
     
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  43. Blade0324

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    Been working with a coach recently that is a former top 100 in the world player and owned the fastest serve until Roddick broke his record. He is now 43 and doesn't hit as big as he used to but when we have had the gun out he was able to crack some in the upper 130's. Let me tell you that is absolutely huge when you are facing it. He has been able to help me get mine up to avg. of about 105 for firsts and about 80-83 on seconds with pretty good consistancy. I have hit a couple bigger than that but so far have not been able to get to that 110 mark. Having faced good 4.5 and 5.0 players I can tell you that their serves are not anywhere near the pace or spin he can hit. Top atp players serve in a completely different league than what most anyone realizes. As hard as I could work I will never be able to get to that level of serve.
     
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    Greg Rudsedski? He had the record before Roddick.
     
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    To all who want a faster serve , increase your speed quite a bit , get a hold of me through my you tube account "ONLY IF YOUR AMERICAN" any one who is not from America don't bother , please don't be offended but I have my priorities.

    I will help you to increase by 10 -15 mph, we were able to take my son who was being clock at best 85-90 to about 115 -120 , i do have to say my son was and is very disciplined and you will have to be also , and this will not take weights. Regards
     
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  47. Knightmace

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    People lie.

    No one on here can serve 130mph, probably 130km
     
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  48. star 5 15

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    I usually serve about 100-105mph when I'm serving bombs and I can hit them consistenly in. That's when I'm actually playing. I did crack some in the little serving booth at the cincy masters though however. I think the hardest one I hit was 117mph and that was in flip flops. god knows where it probably would've gone. the 100-105 is what I can hit in.

    Edit: BTW I'm a 16yr old junior and my serve is one of my biggest weapons. I've had around 13 or 14 aces in matches before.
     
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  49. Mr.Bong

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    I know my serve can only go to the upper 90 mph
    how can many people claim they can hit 130
    if so they should be a pro
     
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  50. Power Player

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    My tops as a Jr. was 115 clocked. I aced about everyone when that thing was going in. I am more focused on developing90-100 mph first serves that go in with placement now.
     
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