To people who so fondly remember the Borg era

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  1. Clydey2times

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW4z0FnUz4o

    I'm glad racquet technology so drastically improved. I've watched many matches from that era, but the clay court tennis was incredibly boring. How can anyone pine for those days? Borg-Lendl 81 was coma-inducing.
     
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    I agree here. It's a slew of interchangeable 50 shot rallies with players walking up to hit the ball. Whoever can lull the opponent to sleep first wins.
     
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    Grass court tennis was a different matter, since there was a bit more variety. I just can't imagine watching clay court tennis like that these days, though.

    It's obviously not the players' fault. I'm more intrigued by why people so fondly remember that era.
     
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    I do not fondly remember the era as I was barely out of infancy but by the same token I do not get my self-esteem from disparaging a beautiful game played by two of the greatest tennis players ever to pick up the racket because Borg is not ripping winners with his wooden racket from the baseline on red clay.

    I would say I have a healthy respect for an era I know only from occasional reruns and from reading about the personalities, and what I despise are smug, short-sighted people who appreciate nothing outside of their immediate surroundings and deprecate the past just because it's not the present.

    Lendl rules by the way.
     
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    completely uncalled for. OP is asking what exactly people find attractive about such a slow game. I respect Borg to the moon but I still find modern clay tennis much more entertaining.
     
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    Why? The players have become utterly one-dimensional and the games are just feeble-minded and tedious baseline exchanges.

    If Sampras and Becker had grown up in the wood era they might have developed the mental strength necessary to win the French Open. Instead, they grew up with equipment which, normally, allowed them 2 or 3 free points in every game. Once those free points were taken away, due to the pace of clay, they didn't have the mental strength, discipline or artistry to compensate.

    Same thing, to a degree, today. When the players are thrown anything which deviates from the norm they don't know how to compensate. They're so used to sameness that they have no idea how to function when there's any fluctuation. Even the alleged greatest, Federer and Nadal, have no concept of a 'Plan B'.
     
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    Agreed on Sampras and Becker. No free points = no performance for either.

    Plan B: this is what makes Murray so interesting. He varies his style by opponent. I hope he develops into a super-star and forces others to do the same. It'd be pretty interesting to not know what two players are going to do when they face each other, to have someone come in with a gameplan to neutralize Murray's plan to neutralize their game, for example.
     
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    Borg was an extremely cerebral player. If you seriously think all Borg is doing is putting the ball back into play on clay, you are sorely mistaken.
     
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    This is what passed for tennis in the old days? What a joke, those guys would not beat D2 players of today.
     
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    what's funny is that while that clip is wildy boring, the laver/rosewall RG clips from 1969 RG are very entertaining.
     
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    This video gets thrown around a lot, and usually the ones doing the throwing don't bring up any of the context surrounding the video.

    These two guys, Borg and Lendl, are deep in the fifth set of the French Open final. Lendl is about to fall over, as you can see, barely moving his feet in between shots, so all Borg does is get the ball back - that's all he has to do. Lendl could be very aggressive when he wanted to be, especially on hard courts, but he was just too darn tired in this video to do much of anything.
     
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    Completely agree about Murray. He's not my favorite player, but his game is extremely intelligent and relies on making his opponent uncomfortable. In other words, he doesn't just play tennis, he plays a specific opponent. His match with Gulbis showed that very well.
     
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    At the moment I think Murray plays most like Miloslav Mecir but I think he needs to throw in a bit more Mats Wilander. Mecir had the sheer talent to beat you with his own game. It just happens that his game was full of chips, spins, off-pace shots and touch - things other players hated. However, it wasn't premeditated. On the contrary, it was more inspirational than calculated. Wilander, on the other hand, could beat you with his own game but realised that, against the very best, he needed to throw in some variety and be more attacking. Murray, I think, needs to do the same.
     
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    Prepare to get flamed. You're not allowed to post videos of what the game was like in the past, we're supposed to ignore that stuff and rely exclusively on more objective evidence like first hand accounts of the 4.0 players who post here. Borg could outrace a cheetah on rocket roller skates while eating a burrito and his heart beat only 2 times a week.
     
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    I wasn't disparaging the players. Learn to read before you start foaming at the mouth and go on a rant.

    I simply said that it was boring. That's not Borg or Lendl's fault, though.
     
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    I am talking purely about entertainment value, not ability.

    I find it pretty astounding that you could watch that video and then say about the modern game, "...the games are just feeble-minded and tedious baseline exchanges." If today's tennis is monotonous, what on earth do you call that?
     
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    Post of the week. :lol:
     
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    Not so...it was always exciting to see if Lendl could beat Borg.....two fine great players in their day and entertaining exciting matches.....where the outcome was never certain.
     
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    Not to point out the obvious here...but Becker and Sampras DID "grow up" in the wood era!!!! They learned to play with wood racquets when they were kids.
     
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