To those who dislike Nadal...

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  1. Mike Sams

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    When Nadal was gone in much of 2012 and early 2013, the sport was boring as heck and nobody wanted to see non-charismatic pushers. The sport needs stars and athletes who can break records otherwise all we'll get is Murray and Djokovic in boring matches. Nadal adds a different dimension to the game. If not for him, I don't think I could really bother watching the sport.
    I think it's best for tennis that people should begin to support Nadal to break more records and even surpass Federer. True talent needs to be appreciated. I believe there is space in history for both Federer and Nadal and both should be credited for their accomplishments by everyone.
    For all we know, 15 years from now...another phenomenon will rampage the tour and rack up countless Slams. There's no way of knowing what will happen and it's hard to fathom that records will not continuously be broken as the generations go by.
    Anyway, looking forward to a fantastic 2014 and hope to see young guys step it up, starting in Australia. :)
     
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  2. Chico

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    So Djokovic and Murray are not "true talent".

    Sorry but that is just wrong thing to say.

    Anyway I prefer to watch Djokovic's offensive game than Nadals pushing. Tennis was just fine in 2012 without Nadal.
     
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  3. Solo

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    Well Nadal has already made his history but as I am a Djokovic fan I want to see my guy make his own history too.
     
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  4. TheHispanicMaestro

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    Haha I guess you didn't watch his match with Wawrinka... pushing performance of the year. I guess Djokovic got what he deserved in the final. :lol:
     
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  5. Winners or Errors

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    I have to agree about that semi. Worst pushing I ever saw. I was rooting for Nadal all the way. He definitely played a more aggressive style all tournament than Djokovic. It was an impressive run.
     
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  6. PeteD

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    My frustration is not with Nadal. It's that the game has been changed into "who will make the error first" tennis. It fits the tastes of reality TV -- the entertainment is mostly watching the losers fail. The tennis currently imposed supresses new talent: it takes years of preparation and maintenance. Many hopefuls won't be able to afford it, financially or physically. Another bad consequence: the athletes who do endure the new game may not be personally very inspiring. Maybe its just a coincidence: we get to to choose among Andy, Nole, and Rafa. They are great at the new game, no doubt, but after 20 years of being treated to the Pete-Roger trajectory, we were expecting a new brilliant, shooting star. Instead we look forward to a 56-shot, 6-hour survivor.
     
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  7. mptennis

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    Best post I've read on here in a loooong time. I completely agree.
     
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  8. Backspin1183

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    Even Djokovic during the 7 months Rafa was absent said that the competition wasn't as exciting without Rafa.
     
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  9. TheHispanicMaestro

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    Yeah Djokovic also said before the final that Nadal is the #1 player this year, but Djokovic fans (not all just a select few who just don't get it) only care about the negative parts about Rafa.
     
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  11. I think this brand of tennis is far more impressive. There are longer rallies and the guys are hitting the ball harder than ever with greater angles.

    It's because the guys at the top are actually world class athletes now, and not guys like McEnroe, Connors or Agassi.
     
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    It's seriously annoying knowing people are capable of sensible, objective discussion and would rather troll 90% of the time.
     
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  13. clayqueen

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    Well said.
     
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  14. clayqueen

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    The are talented but lack charisma. Let's face it, their matches are boring.
     
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  15. PeteD

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    McEnroe in his prime on real grass, or a fast hard court? The current crop of marathon ball-bashers would watch the winners go by. What is a world class athlete? The NFL or the World Cup? It's clear which way tennis is being pushed.
     
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  16. Bhagi Katbamna

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    The problem with the all court or attacking game in this age is that the players are fast enough to run down what were volley winners in the past and hit them for winning passing shots. Do anyone think that players want to play for four hours minimum? I would think that they all want to win in 2 hours if they could. Players don't really care what style of play they play, they want to win the match. The current game is what is required to win given the athletes that we have.
     
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  17. Shroud

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    I have a hard time buying this "current players are better athletes" stuff. What you are crediting to players actually has a LOT more to do with the courts being slow or bouncing higher.

    Bring back faster courts and well these super athletes will suddenly be too slow to get those volleys.
     
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  18. swizzy

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    I have watched tennis and have to admit borg, mac, and Connors were amazing shot makers..with finesse and touch and could attack. I wish I had seen laver play. the new guys are still amazing.. fed was like something from the past..and nadal is simply amazing to see..how he can turn defense into offense..make impossible shots..hit anything and everything.. it is breath taking at times. and we have seen some very impressive tennis. on the other hand novak is very dull most of the time.. murray more so.. isner and raonic extremely so. so I can't understand the nadal venom that is out there.. he is a gift to the sport.
     
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  19. JRAJ1988

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    I'm a great fan of Murray and Djokovic but Federer and Nadal are two of the greats regarding shotmaking....the ability to hit a winner out of nowhere is amazing..Djokovic and Murray have that ability also though it's less consistent
     
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  20. swizzy

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    I also appreciate the top ten in the world... all worthy of praise..but roger nd rafa have blown my mind on so mny occasions..just wonderfull.. i'm playing right after dinner..can't wait.
     
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    I dread the thought of what will happen 3-4 years from now.
     
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    Definitely agree the sport is not the same without him. The rivalries he has with Roger and Novak make their matches feel like it is a heavyweight title fight.

    I hope Roger can get back to playing some of his best tennis, having these guys at the pointy end of Grand Slams is something special.

    Tennis was getting boring from a competition stand point until Rafa came onto the scene and started to challenge Roger.
     
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  23. PeteD

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    Care to elaborate on what you are dreading?
     
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    Wimbledon grass now is 'real grass'..its not astroturf, or surreal grass.
     
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  25. Goosehead

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    Borna Coric and Christian Garin will be the new Federer-nadal in 3-4 years from now. :)
     
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  26. Boom, love it.
     
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  27. Tennisguy3000

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    I dont dislike Nadal at all... great player to watch & a good person, I just wish he would/could change the butt to nose touching thing in his pre service motion.
    :-?
     
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  28. beast of mallorca

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    You're such a girl if that bothers you. Should he carry a girly purse as well to suit your taste?....................:twisted:
     
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  29. PSNELKE

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    Both look extremely promising. I'd definately predict them a bright future, if they keep working hard.
     
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  30. PeteD

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    A 350 and a 500 rank youngsters? Sounds like you like real loooong shots.
     
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  31. Bud

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    Nadal and Djokovic are the two best defenders in the game (with Murray close behind). However, it's not a question of who will make the error first - not even close. If you watched that 54-ball rally, both guys were rifling many of their shots. They mixed up topspin, slice, short balls, deep balls, flat bombs, etc. The issue was neither could break through the other guy's defenses. That rally will go down as one of the best rallies ever.

    Watch it again
     
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  32. PeteD

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    Well said as was OP. Those players are amazing at what they do. Thing is, why not keep some variety in the game? Attack players are being sidelined. And the huge financial and physical startup costs of the defense game makes it harder for new talent to reach high. Result: same few guys in every semi and final for years at a time. Monotonous.
     
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  33. TimothyO

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    I was a Djokovic fan and really disliked Nadal for a number of reasons.

    But this year I've found myself drifting from Djoker to Nadal. I feel like that Djokovic is on cruise control. His natural talent and amazing fitness allows him to dominate mere mortals. But when faced with a serious challenge such as Nadal he checks out and seems to say, "Ok, made the finals, now give me my cash, I'm outta here".

    Meanwhile Nadal, despite already winning numerous titles and earning millions in prize and endorsement money, seems as hungry as a newcomer to the tour. Even when losing as at the last two Wimbledons he plays as hard on the last point as the first. He fights where Djoker checks out.

    I don't like Nadal's style of play and I strongly suspect he may have used PEDs in the past. But on thing nobody can take from him is his incredibly competitive spirit. He and his camp might make some excuses for losses after a match. But during a match I don't see him giving up as easily as players such as Djoker and Murray.
     
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  35. PCXL-Fan

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    I can just never be a fan of Nadal's achievements just like I can never be a fan of Djokovic's post 2010 achievements or Ferrer. If you investigate enough about the underbelly of sports... don't crucify me for not being a fan. Sorry all you iberians.

    On other forums, 60% people didn't believed me when I said Marian Jones was 100% guaranteed to be on something. Thats the big problem though these guys become bigger than life, they mean so much to so many people, they are put on pedestals for their achievements... that you cannot say these things.
     
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  36. SLD76

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    basically.


    was it me or did rafa just simply overpower nole in that final. effortlessly it seemed.
     
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  37. Dedans Penthouse

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    A sport is "just fine" without one of it's greatest stars and biggest draws?

    Memo to self: add Chico to the list of clueless fanboys.
     
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  38. Yeah, no.

    McEnroe started losing in 1985 when the game became more about power. He never won another major, and basically got whipped. Also, he was on, essentially, horse steroids for quite awhile. And he still couldn't hack it when it became a power game.

    He would get absolutely smeared by the top guys today. Do you see what happens to serve and volleyers out on the tour? There is a reason for that.

    I agree with Bud's earlier comment on one of your posts. I don't think you even know what you're looking at in today's matches. But based on a LOT of comments on this board, most people really don't.
     
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  39. PeteD

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    I guess when you say Mac lost to power hitters, you're talking Lendl. Mac beat Lendl at USO until Mac married an actress, had a family, and shortly thereafter basically dropped out of tennis. Lendl's biggest win over Mac was where? The French. Lendl's power didn't work at Wimby against Mac or anyone else -- Lendl never won Wimby, no matter how hard he bashed balls, when Wimby was a court favoring attackers, not baseline (and back of baseline) sluggers.
     
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  40. Crisstti

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    With his style of play, Nadal was winning from a very early age.

    Blah, blah, more nonsense.

    "I said X was on PEDs, and it turned out I was right, so now I must be right whenever I say someone is on PEDs".

    :rolleyes:
     
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  41. Nope, was not talking about Lendl, was talking about Mac losing to everyone.
     
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  42. mandy01

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    What is guys like "Mac, Connors or Agassi?" You're saying those guys weren't good enough because they didn't run like rabbits?
    Sorry to burst your bubble but tennis was never about athleticism only. It was just as much about skill and today's tennis undermines the skill-set of a player. Let's see these guys volley like Mac or take the ball as early as Andre did and hit the sort of half-volleys he did? They cannot do it because they only know one highly consistent method of winning, aided largely by a massive slowdown that keeps getting worse by the year.

    I don't see either Nadal or Djokovic achieving significantly higher ratings and raking in the viewers better than any of the guys you mentioned did.
     
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  43. clayqueen

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    To Those Who Dislike Nadal

    Former world number 1 Serbian player Jelena Jankovic was interviewed by Serbian newspaper Kurir, where she mainly talked about why she decided to stop playing for the Serbian Fed Cup team, but she also answered one question about our champion Rafael Nadal. Here is what she said about Rafa.

    Q. On Twitter, photos showed up in which you play billiards with Rafael Nadal. Who won in that duel?

    JELENA JANKOVIC: Partly, I was watching Nadal while he was playing billiards with my friend (it was a girl, not a boy) because at the same time I was watching what’s was going on the court on which I was to play later. He is a great guy, amazing tennis player and person. Few years ago when I was hurt in Indian Wells he let me see his physio.
     
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  44. kishnabe

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    It boring when he is not there and it is boring when he wins.

    It is exciting when he loses 1st round in majors.....
     
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    Still is, look at his posts just yesterday.
     
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    Totally agree.
     
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    This the the hope, that slow tennis will not prove to be as beneficial to the sport as the promoters think, no matter how hard they push the announcers to hype it. Then hopefully the pendulum will swing back to what tennis once was: a great mix of slow and fast courts.
     
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  49. rafan

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    What am I dreading.... the fact that there is not many people on the horizon who has the commitment of the big four.
     
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