Today I played 5.0 Doubles for the first time...

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  1. Fuji

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    Hey all!

    So I took some advice in another thread and I played 5.0 doubles for the first time. (I'll call it 5.0 doubles, the other team was a 4.5 playing up and a "A" grade 5.0) My team consisted of myself who is playing up, and a rusty, but solid 5.0.

    It was a lot of fun and we ended up winning 6-4, 6-4. Much to the experience and helpfulness of my partner (and his absolutely amazing serve!)

    Here's the thing that I found REALLY separated 5.0 from anything else I've played before:

    1) 5.0 serves are amazing. When these guys wanted to crank out a big serve, they did and it had so much action on it! The speed wasn't a problem (The A 5.0 on the other team was routinely serving over 110MPH on his first serves, and picking the corners) but the action on it was just crazy to see. They came in with so much spin the ball was actually making a whirring sound. It took a few games, but I was able to eventually get them back with placement and I did hit a few winners. Timing is everything though. On their slice serves I got jammed quite a bit.

    2) Their ground game was what I was used to. My forehand helped me dictate A LOT of points as I was able to hit some solid approach shots and take them off the net pretty easily. Luckily I hit a heavy ball, anything that "sat up" was put away pretty easily.

    3) Net points were a lot of fun! Everyone was pretty even at net, and it really equalized the playing field with two of us playing up.

    4) My serves needed to be placed, really really well to be effective. My first serves are fast, (average in the mid 80's to mid 90's) but my 2nd serve is what saved my some of my service games for the sheer fact I was able to move them off the court.

    5) These guys could hit winners from everywhere on the court, and I learned that pretty early. Their volleys were solid, but if they could pounce on anything it was coming back with interest.

    Surprisingly my movement was on par to keep up with them, and it was a really fun experience. Also, all the ages of the guys were quite young. (Early twenties.)

    If anyone has any questions, I'd be more then happy to answer them, but I thought I'd share what it's like to play what I like to think of as high level doubles.

    Take all this with a grain of salt, as I am a TERRIBLE doubles player and I still have a lot to learn haha! :)

    -Fuji
     
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  2. BobFL

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    How do you know that?
     
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  3. Fuji

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    Of course they are my rough estimates. I've had my serves on a gun, and I routinely hit into the 90's with consistency. These guys were topping my 1st serves in ways I haven't experienced. My serve was seriously out matched with pace and speed. So as a rough estimate, it was well over 100MPH, and I'm sure quite a few hit above that 110 mark.

    So of course, take it with a grain of salt, but they made my 90's look like puff balls! :lol:

    -Fuji
     
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  4. ctromano

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    once again you are only as good as your second serve... serves you right eh?
     
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  5. Fuji

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    Hahaha so very true! Twist serves are a life saver!

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    Great win, but let me get this straight:
    1. You're a 4.0 to 4.5 playing up at 5.0
    2. You're "a terrible doubles player" by your own admission.
    3. You won in straights

    Something doesn't make sense. Were these guys really 5.0? If so they should have easily won.

    edit: looks like one of them was a 4.5 playing up.

    Good job!
     
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  7. Fuji

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    1) I consider myself a decent 4.5.
    2) Yes, I have very good hands, but I'm not a good team player.
    3) There was a 5.0 on my team, and a single 5.0 on the other team. So basically it was a 5.0/4.5 vs a 5.0/4.5. One member of the other team and myself were playing up, so it was pretty even actually. :)

    -Fuji
     
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  8. LeeD

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    Most solid 4-4.5's, if they are hard hitters (Fuji is) and CONFIDENT on their shots at that timeframe, can hang with 4.5's and 5.0's. I know for sure, me being a WEAK, slow moving 4.0, I can hold my own in a doubles set of 3 other 5.0's IF I'm feeling confident about my shots. That's a IF IF, not a sure thing.
    I"m sure Fuji can hit as hard, volley as well, and crush overheads as hard. He just needs to do it during that match, which obviously he did THIS TIME.
    A tentattive 4.5 would get crushed, just like any tentative player would.
     
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    I have to totally disagree. My 5.0 buddies and I hand even the best 4.5 teams their lunch. There is a world of difference in the games of 4.0 and 5.0 and even in the 4.5 to 5.0 transition. If it were about confidence, I know several 3.5s who would be beating Djokovic, Nadal, and Federer.
     
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  10. Loose Cannon

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    Esp. off the fact that he said he was a slow/weak 4.0.


    I am a pretty decent 4.0.......with the confidence of a 5.0......just not the game.......and at times, I can hang with most 4.5's.....IN DOUBLES. In Singles, I would play my best, and get wiped off the court vs a 5.0.....and surely would be exposed by 5.0 in doubles as well......unless they were really old or over-rated.....or maybe they are weak in your area... So...confidence only gets you so far..esp. if you are self admitted slow and week.
     
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    The original post was all over the place. For instance this gem.... "My forehand helped me dictate A LOT of points..."

    I have seen very solid 4.0 players, now winning 4.5 players in a southern league, who were teamed with a pro (now a top 40's national player) who is a 5.5, get exposed against more traditional 5.0 / 4.5 partnership at state's.

    There is no way that a computer rated 4.0 guy is hanging with true 5.0 players in dubs unless his 5.0 partner is exceptional. Or the other team wasn't competing for some reason.

    And if you read the OP's post it was filled with holes regarding player ratings in this scenario. If it makes the OP feel better about their game, that's fine, but please fellow 4.0 players, don't take this to mean you should play up to 5.0. Assuming your area even has such a rare league as that...
     
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    Fuji is a 4.5 though...
    4.5's can "hang" in 5.0 doubles, especially if their partners are 5.0 too.

    Good job Fuji, keep it up. Since you're young, you can still reach a much higher potential. Unlike us in the late 20's 30's 40's, which are either on the decline or very small incline..
     
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    it's just the usual TT BS. Anyone who claims to be better than 4.0 is howled down because the average TTer can't cope with the idea that one of their fellow posters is just that much better than them..

    it is just jealousy.

    Well done Fuji, keep on it!
     
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    I'm pretty sure Fuji, the confident one, can hang in 5.0 doubles. He's young, strong, taller than 6', has big shots, and plays competitive tennis.
    As for me, I can go either way. Tentative, I can barely beat strong 3.5's. Confident, easy hang in with 5.O's. I said I can't move, didn't say I can't hit. I still have all the low and half volleys, backhand overheads, flat first serves with good placement, excellent 4.5 level volleys, and I mainly play doubles. Tentative means I not only just slice it and stand there, but also means I'm not interested in moving for the mishits and shanks that top level 3.5's seem to hit all the time.
     
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    Thanks for all the positive posts everyone! :)

    Even to those nay sayers, it's all good! I'll try to work on my posting skills next time I decide to make a large post. I'll attempt to remove any "holes" from my posts.

    Also, I'd like to point out, my partner was exceptional. He's a very strong player that trains with the university team. :) (We actually are practising together on Thursday, this time in singles. I think he's going to maul me with his serving hahaha!)

    -Fuji
     
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    No wonder you have 16.000+ posts. Somehow you always find the way to say one sentence about actual topic and one paragraph about yourself.

    Now back to our dear Fuji's story :)

    I think your numbers are off. For example, rusty 5.0 cannot return more than 2/10 110mh+, well placed and with action serves. And I am being generous. Nole was serving 110+ wide serves today against JCF and JCF struggled BIG time just to put them back in play let alone neutralize them efficiently. Nole aced Nadal and Fed with 114-118 dtl serves many times. My friend who played futures and challengers for many years was not able to routinely serve 110+ in match play. And picking the corners? Well, that is still a dream for David Ferrer...
     
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  18. Fuji

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    For sure I'm over estimating with the evidence you are presenting then! :) It just seemed that fast to me. My reports are more or less of my own representation, and needless to say I was shell shocked a bit haha!

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    Oh yes! :razz:

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    I've noticed that Doubles is all about the weakest link.

    The team with the weakest doubles player of the four players on court will lose the majority of the time, regardless of how strong his/her partner. There are exceptions, of course, but I've noticed this to be true over the past couple of years.

    Was one of the opposing players the weakest doubles player of all 4 on court? Notice I said doubles player... not singles player.
     
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    IMHO the opponent who was a 4.5 playing up was the weakest link in the game as selfish as it sounds. He had very poor coordination with his partner and used incorrect timing with his poached and court positioning. Of course I'm no doubles saint but I think I did a bit better.

    -Fuji
     
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    "weakest" link doesnt have to be the weakest player. More predictable, worst under pressure, lackadaiscal, tries to hit too hard, takes other player out of the game, many different things point to WHO you should hit the ball to more often.
    Main key is pound the low middle until they cover it, then go wide for the winner.
     
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    There ya go. Observe in your future doubles matches how often the team with the weakest doubles player of the four players usually loses :)

    Sounds like you're describing the weakest doubles player of the four players on court. That would be the weakest link. Weakest player doesn't mean the guy with the weakest shots/power. It's the player with the least doubles experience who exhibits poor shot selection, lousy net coverage, not covering the middle, opening up too many angles, etc.
     
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