Tommy Haas' Real Racquet

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  1. Matt21

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    Watching the Haas/Gasquet match... What's Haas' real stick? The head size looks smaller than the 98 sq" AG300. Could it be an AG200 or an AG100?
     
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  2. orangettecoleman

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    It's a custom mold used by dunlop and tecnifibre, painted as an AG300. Similar specs to the dunlop 300 but is weighted up to about 12 oz, evenly balanced, supposedly.
     
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  3. BreakPoint

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    Haas uses a custom Dunlop mold that is almost the same as the mold used for the Tecnifibre T-Fight 320/335 18x20. Thus, it is 97 sq. in. It's neither an AG200 nor AG100.
     
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  4. rosen88

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    Haas racket is softer than the 200g and much heavier. It is more like a PT 630 wih lead tape. Played with it ones. Really want it but it is almost impossible to get. But they still makes special made rackets for the pros so maybe I can get them if I get a better ranking. :)
     
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  5. stoble

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    No way that thing is 97 sq. in. Looks smaller like a 90.
     
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  6. Fedace

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    IT is the OLD muscle weave racket. very solid frame, that is no longer made. I believe his model is heavier than than the retail version was being sold.
     
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  7. BreakPoint

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    Sorry, but it is 97 sq. in.

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  8. jazar

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    is it not something similar to the head ti. pro tour?
     
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  9. Fedace

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    It is a OLD Muscle weave 200 G 90 sq inch racket. i have seen it up close.
     
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  10. DNShade

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    Christ people...How many times are we gonna go through this? It's just as BP said - a custom stick by Dunlop that uses the same exact mold as the Dunlop M-Fil 200 16X19 and the Tecnifibre T-Fight 320/335 18x20 - 97 sq. in....Same mold that Blake uses as well as a few other pros. As for their layups, weight etc - who knows (and really, who cares?) but that's the mold.. Same sticks as they've used for a while with varying PJ's.
     
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  11. BreakPoint

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    No, it is not. Just look at that above pic. Have you ever seen a MW200G 90? That pic is not of a 90.

    Haas used to use a Head PT280 which is also 97 sq. in. When he signed with Dunlop, they made him something similar with also a 97 sq. in. head.
     
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  12. ericsson

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    I'm very sure it's NOT a MW 200 g 90 sq.
    I mean just look at the shape, the throat, his throat has ridges, the MW doesnt!
     
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  13. BreakPoint

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    Here's another pic with the older M-Fil 300 paintjob on it. Does that look like a 90 to you?

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  14. DNShade

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    That's just not right. As someone who was hitting on court next to him and (Lopez and Verdasco) and talked briefly with him at UCLA at The Countywide I can tell you it is not a MW or a 90 - and it's the same size and mold as the M-Fil 200 16x19's in my bag.
     
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  15. A_Instead

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    Its not a 90". I was 3 feet from Haas at Legg Mason 2 weeks ago.
    I watched him practice with that lefty guy that Fed. flew over to practice with.
    I have pictures of him holding his racquet and the leftys racquet and they are the same size and head shape. I can send pictures to show you.
     
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  16. Pro Staff Pete

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    If that's a 90 then I must be playing a 75 or something
     
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  17. jorel

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    Racketdesign once said the closest thing (mold that is and not weight) you could get to the Haas racquet is the old HM yellow 200g XL (but in an 18x20 pattern)
     
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  18. ericsson

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    not the graphite lay up, i've been told that he actually tried the HM yellow and didnt like it.
     
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  19. Rabbit

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    I stood right next to Haas in Memphis. His frame is definetly not a 90. I have been told that what he plays with is a one off from Dunlop.
     
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  20. ericsson

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    Here some pics from Haas's real Dunlop:

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  21. AndrewD

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    We have no way of knowing what little idiosyncrasies the racquet manufacturers employ when measuring their frames (Head, Prince) so there is no way we can say, "thus, it is 97sq". Could really be 98sq or 100sq for all we know.
     
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  22. jorel

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    no not the graphite layup...He said only the mold was the same...of course except for the 18/20 pattern
     
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  23. BreakPoint

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    Well, both the Tecnifibre T-Fight 320/335 and the Dunlop M-Fil 200 16x19 are listed as 97 sq. in. and Haas' racquet uses the same mold so I think it's pretty safe to say that it's also 97 sq. in.
     
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    Sure looks like the Muscles weave to me. Look at the weaving of the graphite where it is broken, there is no other like it.
     
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  25. Azzurri

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    Where do you get your garbage from? You must be clinically blind not to see it's at least NOT a 90 frame.
     
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  26. vsbabolat

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    You really have no idea what a MW 200G 90 looks like if you think that is what Haas is using!!!:shock:

    Fedace, Please read this whole thread.
    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=23346
     
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    lets ease off fedace... there is so much crap flying around about pro racquets that are halftruths that its easy to be mislead... ive done so many times..

    but guys like tom martinez, racketdesign, ****(his posts are few and far between), ronyu,...(i am missing a whole gaggle of other peeps) have first hand knowledge of this stuff and their info you can trust
     
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  29. orangettecoleman

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    also he uses a head pallet/grip. he got used to them in the 90s when he used the tour 630 or whatever it is for years.
     
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  30. tomas9848

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    he uses dunlop 300 aerogel
     
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  31. BreakPoint

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    Um...no, he doesn't. Haas uses a custom racquet that is not sold in the stores. The Tecnifibre T-Fight 335 18x20 is the closest thing to what Haas actually uses.

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=155001
     
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  32. samster

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    here we go again. we need to have a sticky for these types of threads. what do you all think?
     
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  33. LafayetteHitter

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    That is not a MW 200g 90 by any stretch of the imagination. I have 3 of these and it's not even close to what he uses. The 90's I have most resemble a PC600 mold and what Tommy Haas is holding looks nothing of the sort. The custom mold information in the 97" range is the only viable info out available. Especially since the information came from Paul at Vantage who worked for Dunlop.
     
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  34. Zeppy

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    You wanna sell one of those? Haha.

    Back to the subject, uhh, I'm not a racket expert so I'm not going to say who's right or wrong. But I think it would be pretty hard to tell what racket he's really using without getting our hands on it or somehow have him tell us the truth.
     
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  35. alfa164164

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    I've owned both Haas' racket (with the Dunlop 300 M-Fil paintjob) and Blake's racket (300G Hotmelt paintjob and 200 M-Fil paintjob). Breakpoint is right that Haas' mold seems identical to the TF335. His racket weighed 12.7 ounces strung after I removed all the lead tape. With lead it was wel over 13 ounces (he had it at 3&9 and under the the top of the handle). Blake's mold was NOT the same as Haas', but it was not the stock 300G or 200G mold either. The interesting thing about Haas' 300 M-Fil paintjob was that part of the paint around the throat was left "matte" (like the old MW model, but it was in no way the stock MW mold). Like it's been mentioned, think TF335 mold. I have no idea of what the actual layup of the racket was. His grip shape was very rectangular, like Head rackets, but it was molded, not pallets. Haas had a blue Gamma Hi-Tech grip under the overgrip. It was a pretty playable racket without the lead and rock solid. Hope this helps.
     
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  36. LafayetteHitter

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    It's one of my favorite racquets so i'll probably never sell them. Worth searching for though, it pockets the ball beautifully.
     
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  37. BreakPoint

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    alfa,
    Could you please describe how the Blake mold differs from Haas' mold? From pics they look almost the same, i.e., similar to the TF-335 mold.
    Thanks.
     
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  38. alfa164164

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    BP - it has been several years since I sold the Haas and Blake rackets, but from what I remember the throat sections of Blake's 300G Hotmelt paintjob and the 200 M-Fil paintjob were different (the 300 wasn't quite as box beamish as the 200). Both rackets were dense 18x20s. Although I was under the impression Blake never changed rackets, just updated his Dunlop paintjobs, the 2 frames were not identical, while both were heavy, the 200 pj was heavier.
    As a racket junkie, you can recognize the mold of the TF335 immediately (also the std. length 200 M-Fil Plus, the UK version of the Slazenger NX One, etc.) - both of James models were slightly different, a little wider in the frame from 3:00 to 9:00, but I would guess it to be a 98 sq. in. frame, just slightly larger than Haas' racket.
     
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  39. Zeppy

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    Ok, that's cool. I mean, I don't think I would want to part ways with my newly acquired Muscle Weave 200g 95. So I totally understand. I was just wondering how a 90 sq inch would feel.
     
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  40. jura

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    I have an old original Haas frame with the MW pj here at home. It is surely the same mold as the T.Fight 320/335. I put a TF bumper on it and it fits! ;) Also it is quit heavy and has a pretty soft frame. But a friend of mine who strung his rackets several times over the last years said that his frames became stiffer since the times of the MW pj.
    Another friend who strings his rackets very often said that in the last months he dropped the racket weight a lot and also went down to 28 kilo string tension due to his shoulder problems.
     
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  41. ericsson

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    Jura, post some pics man ;-)
     
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  42. Racquet Man

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    Jura, any way you can provide us the actual weight, SW, and flex RA for the Haas racquet you have? Also wondering how much stiffer his racquets got? Is it a 27" or extended version?

    Thanks:)
     
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    That's a great pic, I didn't know Muaressmo used a muscle weave!!!
     
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    Not to brag or anything...But I was there at the Haas Gasquet match ;)
     
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    NO WAY!
    There's no something similar.
     
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  46. xr3fgb

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    does anyone know if they made M-FiL or Aerogel 300's with an 18 x 20 string pattern? I thought they were all 16 x 19 (except for the new Aerogel 4D 300 Tour). Haas' string pattern appears to be 18 x 20.
     
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    This is by no means the throat hole of a Dunlop 200G of any generation IMO (had them all). It does look like a Head though... No offense.
     
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    my friends, haas uses an old head stick!! i know the stringer at IMG academies who strung them and who has some of his older M_fil frames..the frame looks identical to an old Pro Tour 630. especially it can be seen clearly at the throat area and at the aera shortly before the grip begins..this stringer told me that haas still uses and old Twintube radical tour 630( uncustomized specs similar to prestige MP, but a little higher swingweight). The Pro Tour 630, Head twintube radical tour 630, or even the head prestige MG Mp have an identical mold. These molds ar so common on the tour that almost every racquet company has them. For example, Tecnifibre's T-Fight 335, 320 come from this mold. The T-fight 325 is actually a Head prestige XL..same mold..and the Head prestige XL is a longer version of a Pro Tour 630...I am not saying that u are buyin an old pro tour 630, when u are buyin a head liquidmetal Prestige MP..The liquidmetal series have a slightly different mold.especially in the throat area..there are places that are not as smooth as the Pro Tour. Back to the Topic...Haas uses a standard lenght stick..with uncustomized specs that are very similar to a head Prestige MP. he adds lead to 3+9 O'clock and in the gripp. I was told that he is experimenting with balances because of his shoulder. he tried a 28 cmbalance..i dont know if he is stil using it..and his racquet is about 370-380 gr. unstrung. Full natural Gut. Actually such a combination must be paradise on earth. Nobody can tell what is exactly under the PJ of his racquet but it is not false to say that it is based on a head racquet. The Dunlop M-Fil 200 Plus frames, as well as the Dunlop AG 300 tour..are very similar molds but with different drill patterns.
     
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  49. Ross K

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    I find this very interesting indeed and am keen to hear what the racket experts think of this theory.
     
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  50. babolatking

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    This is correct- I have family resources that this is true.
     
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