Toni Nadal can't hide it anymore. "Federer is ......"

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  1. abmk

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    I call BS on the scheduling part ... djoker retired mid-way through the semi, so rafa had that + a day off .... He had plenty of rest ... he lost because federer was the more determined player that day ...
     
  2. Clarky21

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    No way. He played 7 days straight,and no lousy day off is going to make up for that.
     
  3. abmk

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    oh yeah, because nadal sits down lazily eating chips and doesn't practice like crazy in the days off b/w tournaments ????? Give me a break !!!

    he was running around like crazy from the start to the end and played well throughout in that final ......
     
  4. Hood_Man

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    Excuses are simply explanations you don't want to hear.

    Federer's mono in 2008 is no less acceptable than Nadal's injury problems from his Wimbledon run in 2007, but to flat out deny one and then accept the other with open arms? Come on :|
     
  5. abmk

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    If we're talking about wimbledon 2008, I'd agree ...... but mono did majorly affect federer in the early part of 2008 ...

    IMO, it was the manner of the loss at RG that still lingered and had its effects in the wimby final in 2008 final

    nadal was playing just as well after the timeout as he was before it in the 2007 finals .... so the injury excuses are all BS ...
     
  6. Agassifan

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    Toni got on the internet

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  7. The-Champ

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    Nadal's ground game in the finals of wimbledon 2007-2008 are probably some of the greatest I've seen from Rafa outside clay. Undoubtedly his 2 greatest performances ever on the surface.
     
  8. Gorecki

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    seems like i have lost nothing on the past days absense...
     
  9. Hood_Man

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    You lost your soul for abandoning us :evil:
     
  10. Crisstti

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    Fed was not near his best in AO 2009?.

    No, I don't think he was. Plus, he stopped his own momentum there.
     
  11. underground

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    I might just repost this quote every time NSK makes an invalid argument.
     
  12. gsharma

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    If you want to be so thorough, why not post the Nadal vs Federer head-to-head as well?
     
  13. RF20Lennon

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    Federer was sweating heavily in the Simon match in Toronto!! Mono doesn't act up everyday some days are a bit low some days are very low!!! Fed completely recovered post USO then had back issues. Also if your a baby learning to play on grass you don't make the wimby final so please stop!
     
  14. RF20Lennon

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    NSK posts that himself ;)
     
  15. gsharma

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    I'm sure he does. My point is, if you are going to post stats, post all of them. Don't cherry-pick the stats.
     
  16. Crisstti

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    That list also shows Rafa is the only player who could reach Fed, so it clearly explains the hatred many of them have for him.
     
  17. Mike Sams

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    It's no different than the hate spewed towards Djokovic by the *******s.
     
  18. RF20Lennon

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    When your posting stats to support you in a debate why would you include something that you're opponent already is using??
     
  19. Sid_Vicious

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    Enough with that garbage. Federer did not have Mono in August of 2008. Federer was Mono free since January of 2008 and this crap about Federer having Mono for the entire duration of 2008 is a lie propagated by weird Federer fans.
     
  20. Mike Sams

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    You were Federer's doctor? You do realize he went straight into AO 2008 with ZERO tournament practice which was extremely strange, right?
     
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    What I was getting at was that Federer did not have mono when he was playing Simon at Toronto 2008.

    And yes, Federer did not have much practice going into AO 2008. That was the biggest downside of Mono for him. He said that he missed training blocks. However, RF20Lennon's attempt to sell the made up story that Federer was suffering from Mono throughout 2008 is ridiculous.
     
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  22. BreakPoint

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    Um.....how long has Soderling been out with mono? :???:

    Mono ended Ancic's career as he suffered from it for many years. Even many people on this board who have had mono suffered the effects of it for a year or longer. Federer continued to play in 2008 DESPITE having mono because he's the superhuman GOAT.
     
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    I don't know if Fed had mono throughout 2008 or not, all I know is is that for whatever reason he heavily underperformed, not only against his biggest rivals (Djokovic, Nadal) but also against the field. Something is clearly not right with you if you dominate tennis for half a decade and then suddenly lose to Simon (twice), Fish (in a beatdown), Karlovic, Stepanek to name a few. Even Roddick despite having problems taking sets off of Federer managed to take him out that year.
     
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    After dominating 2007, Federer's mono had a huge knock on effect throughout 2008. It knocked his fitness, form and confidence, which resulted in poorer performances than he would have had in 2008, had these things not been adversely affected.
     
  25. TheFifthSet

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    I don't know what condition Federer was in months after contracting mono -- I don't know. Maybe it affected him deep into 2008, maybe it only affected him for a few weeks. However, I did have mono. I was more or less fully recovered after a month. It varies in terms of how debilitating it can be. You can bet your house that the forms of mono Ancic and Soderling had were far far worse.
     
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  26. beast of mallorca

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    They want to believe that mono affected Fed because Fed loss !!! That's all there is to it. Seriously *******s, just suck it up
     
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    this forum suffers from MONOtony
     
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    time for STEREO.
     
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    He's not attempting to sell it (not really), he knows perfectly well he's being ridiculous, he just wants to sick people on Fed fans by annoying them while pretending to be a Fed fan himself.
     
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    He made a career high number of double faults in a single tourney in 2009 AO, was on the brink of losing in the 4th round (down 2 sets to love) and had his arguably worst serving performance in a slam final (and yes he does usually serve much better even against Nadal).

    Fed was hitting the ball pretty solid that tourney but overall his game (movement, serving, transition from defense to offense etc.) was lacking compared to his 2004-2007 HC slams standards (aside from arguably 2006 AO) so no in that sense he wasn't near his best, he was in good form but hardly anything spectacular (again for his high standards).
     
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    Federer was garbage in AO 2009. He basically gifted the match to Nadal.
     
  32. Hood_Man

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    :lol: Well played.
     
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    Certainly wouldn't go that far, he wouldn't have been able to go toe to toe with Nadal off the ground (before he ran out of gas in the 5th set) in the final if that was the case.
     
  34. Crisstti

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    We could still say he was near he best even if not at his best...
     
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    Federer is better going on records and tiltles, but Nadal isn't bad himself. Fed probably has more talent, but Nadal grinds opponents like no other.
     
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    They are both great for the game in different ways. I miss the dynamic they had 2008 and before.
     
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    Federer has always been better, and will be forever.

    That's the truth.
     
  38. RF20Lennon

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    When they both retire this forum will regret those flame wars big time!!
     
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    I agree 100%. Why can't we appreciate them whilst they are still playing without having to throw hate towards each player.
     
  40. Hood_Man

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    I'm already shaking in my boots thinking about the Raonic vs Tomic wars :(
     
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    That is exactly why people do not buy the mono story. He didn't have to miss one tournament and not only that he played a five set match under the heat of the Australian sun.
     
  42. RF20Lennon

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    LOOOL that would officially be the end of tennis
     
  43. smash hit

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    He still managed to win that match pretty handily, and then went on to demolish Del Potro in his next match.

    Tomas Berdych (CZE) 21 W 4-6, 6-7(4), 6-4, 6-4, 6-2
    Juan Martin Del Potro (ARG) 6 W 6-3, 6-0, 6-0
     
  44. above bored

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    No, Federer served too poorly for this to be near his best. He was in the 40% range for most of it. It's a wonder that it went to 5 sets and that he actually won more points.
     
  45. RF20Lennon

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    Yes but he got helped by a joke job from Berdych plus Delpo was nowhere near his USO form also Fred's ground game was fine his first serve was terrible
     
  46. above bored

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    Aside from the fact mono affects people differently, it's been well documented that Federer was in an Australian hospital on a drip a week or two prior to the 2008 Australian Open and had been experiencing bouts of illness from the end of 2007, subsequently missing a lot of practice and fitness training opportunities. This naturally had an adverse impact on his ability to carry on where he left off in 2007, despite a valiant effort. We saw this in the otherwise inexplcable drop in his performances and results in 2008.
     
  47. RF20Lennon

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    The one 5 set match he played in the 2008 Aussie when he had mono was against tipsy in a night match where the roof was closed so dunno what you're on about
     

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