Toni Nadal on Rage

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  1. NickC

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    This. What should be done is as follows: restructure the season into 4 parts - indoor (the begging of the year, leading up to the Aussie), in which any surface can be played on but it's got to be indoor. The second, clay, then grass, then hard courts, all ending with their respective major. Push Wimby back a few weeks and give the players more time on grass. You'll see a healthier tour if more matches are played on grass and clay, as opposed to the majority of the season played by the top 100, which is on hard courts.
     
  2. vive le beau jeu !

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    he was !
    (outplayed) ;)
     
  3. Crisstti

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    So, he says he was, and you (anonymous poster on a message board) say he wasn't. And he'd actually know (unlike you).

    Who to believe...
     
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    TMF and his ilk can scream from the highest mountain that Nadal wasn't injured when he lost to Soderling at RG in 2009 all they want to. It still doesn't change the fact that in reality he WAS injured there,and then went on to skip Wimby afterwards,even though he was the defending champion. Unless you believe Drakulie's laptop girl bs story, then Nadal was really injured that year.

    And he was also injured when he lost to perpetual challenger player Rosol this year at Wimby.
     
  5. Crisstti

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    They hate the idea that him being injured had anything to do with Fed winning then and becoming n. 1. So they're in denial.
     
  6. Talker

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    Nadal was injured when Djokovic beat him seven in a row.
     
  7. rdis10093

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    yeah his pride not his body.
     
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    Who cares anyway, if he lost then he lost.

    I just can't really tolerate his whining, he's too old for that.
     
  9. TMF

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    I saw both Soderling and Rosol's match. He movement looks fine to me. Of course had he won both of those matches we wouldn't be hearing about the injury. It only happend when he loses.
     
  10. Crisstti

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    And more wishful thinking.

    Like I said, I understand that why haters would say what you say. There's no point in going on in circles about this any more.
     
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    Nadal has a career win/loss record 583-122.

    If someone don't believe any of his 122 losses were related to injuries then he/she must be a hater. Got it.
     
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    It is not wishful thinking. There are a lot of people who don't believe that Nadal's injury is as serious as he is claiming it to be. It doesn't mean you are a hater if you think this way. There are Nadal haters and there are people who believe every single thing Nadal says. Then there are people who believe the truth is probably somewhere in the middle, nothing wrong with that.
     
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    and there is clarky...
     
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    Funny how anybody who has any criticism towards a player is automatically labelled a 'hater'. :lol:
     
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    Good grief. Are people still going on about Nadal's 2009 French Open loss to Soderling? If you start the match, you're officially fit to play. It's over, guys, and Nadal has twice avenged the loss since.
     
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    i just like the fact i don't have to see someone digging their panties out of their arse every 15 seconds.....and then shaking hands with the arse hand at the end of every match
     
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    Three times in you count Nadal's win over Soderling at Wimby in 2010. And maybe some Nadal fans would be willing to drop it if some of the Fed fans around here didn't spew so much crap about that loss. They are doing it again with the Rosol loss. It seems like they never learn.
     
  18. Crisstti

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    Straw man?

    By the way TMF, I happened to come across the video with Toni where your signature comes from. Somewhat different from your version of it. Make what you want of it (as I'm sure you will):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CEEDuANwZwE

    It's a lecture in a prison (!) in Palma: "Whether we will be at the top again, I don't know. I didn't know it when everything was going well and I don't know it now. I trust Djokovic and Federer get injured, and that will allow us... (interrupted by laughs and clapping). Well, if between all of us we could get them injured we'd do very well...".

    I'd say he's putting down Nadal's chances by saying he will be at the top if the others get injured.

    Nope, not everybody, not at all.
     
  19. Bobby Jr

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    I'm happy to accept that... but, on the same token are all the Nad-tards going to accept that Federer had almost an entire year affected by mono - which gifted Nadal the top ranking and a couple of majors?

    I doubt it.
     
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    You think mono or no mono Fed was going to beat Nadal at RG that year? Nadal was also knocking on the door at Wimby as well so it was no surprise he finally won it. Fed hardly "gifted" Nadal a d*mn thing.

    And Fed did not suffer from mono all year long. Unless you expect us to believe you instead of Fed himself.
     
  21. Bobby Jr

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    You can't have it both ways.

    And I didn't say anywhere that Federer suffered from mono all year - I said he "had almost an entire year affected by mono" which is fact. If you get off on the wrong foot the comeback is harder - even once you're past the illness. It makes it comparatively easier for others around you. If it's even in subtle and minor ways, that's usually the difference between being champ or not quite.
     
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    Exaggeration much? Federer himself said in an interview with Sue Barker at 2008 Wimbledon that the mono had passed around, late March? He admitted that he had missed some training, but said that the actual mono was over.
     
  23. Bobby Jr

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    He also said he was fine at Wimbledon when he was beaten by Berdych... only to say later he'd been carrying a thigh strain or some such.

    Having had family members and co-workers suffer from mono in the past I personally think it unlikely someone who'd had it from Dec into early Jan would be back at 100% in March. Some cases I've seen include a workmate who was off and on at work for a year - sometimes fine then not being able to make it to work for weeks at a time.

    Regardless of what he may have told Barker we wont know if he was back to 100%. The fact remains on this topic - if Nadal fans want to play the injury card to explain poor results then they have to accept it being played on them too. Failure to do so is admission of blatant myopia.
     
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    I guess his mono only flared up when Nadal beat him at RG and beat him in the Wimby final. Fed himself said he was over the mono long before he lost to Nadal.


    And you didn't answer my question. Do you think Fed would have beaten Nadal at RG that year even if he had't been sick?
     
  25. Mustard

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    It would be better if everyone took the view that if a player starts a match, then he or she is fit to play.
     
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    No. Look at his other finals at Roland Garros against Nadal.
     
  27. Crisstti

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    Not the same. I have actually no problem accepting Fed was having physical problems when he lost to Berdych in 2011, even though he wasn't really on his prime anymore while Nadal was in the matches we're talking about) and he lost in the quarters, not in the first week, and against a top 10 player.
    He himself had said he was fine by the time of RG and Wimbledon in 2008 though. Plus, which two majors would he have gifted Nadal?. Let's not forget Nadal had showed he could very well beat him at Wimbeldon the year before...
     
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    The thing that I don't like is not people saying someone was injured, it's people assuming and insisting they know for a fact that the match would have gone the other way if not for that. Upsets do happen. Nadal at Wimbledon was not likely to lose to Rosol but then again Rosol played a great match and Nadal has often been troubled at Wimbledon before by low ranked players. He won 5 set matches against Robin Haase, Petzschner, Youzhny, Soderling and Kendricks - the first 2 of those mentioned were in 2010 when he won Wimbledon and 2 other slams. It's not absurd to think one day someone would actually win one of these 5 set matches vs him, and Rosol kind of had the lack of respect that maybe you need to beat a top player. Nadal had just won RG supposedly recieving treatment so he could continue playing, he then decided to play doubles as well as singles at Queens.. it seems whatever injury he had he was managing well enough to play even if he was heading for disaster.

    At RG in 2009, again it's unlikely that he loses to Soderling. But you have to figure in 8 years of play, one year someone is probably going to beat him even if he is fit. He might have been below 100% but in previous matches he looked good and still looked a certainty for the title. Soderling probably played a one in a million match. Another day Nadal would have kicked his arse in the exact same shape, but that day it didn't happen, partly because the court looked faster, partly Soderling played his best ever match and hit masses of winners, partly Nadal wasn't competing at 100%. But not every time you play will you be 100%. That's different from being unable to play.

    Federer lost to Djokovic in Australia 2008. I think he was not at his best, still a bit below par and out of practice. But I think he would have lost anyway. Maybe a bit closer, but saying he would have won that for sure is absurd.

    Maybe the matches would have had a different result, but maybe not. There's not much point debating it unless a guy retires while significantly in the lead and clearly dominating but is not able to carry on playing. You can also apply this to things like wind/roofs/rain/darkness. Even though it may have a bigger effect on one player's game it doesn't mean the result would be different. Something like wind or darkness just makes a game more error prone and adds a random element. It may favour a safer player, but that doesn't mean they would not win anyway.
     
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    Thank you.
     
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    Imagine how Federer feels: Zero Masters Series on Grass. But you don't see him moaning about it.

    Rafa and Toni don't know when they've got it good.
     
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    Their should be a masters 1000 on grass.

    Edit: Also nadal should stop picking his butt.
     
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    So wait, Nadal-tards (like Clarky), it's fine when your hero moans about an injury WEEKS AFTER an embarrassing loss, taking credit away from his opponent, yet it isn't fine to reference a debilitating illness which compromised another player's training regime - affecting his whole year?

    ....not to mention the unnecessary whining about the number of hard court events, just because your nephew isn't good enough to win them consistently when the top guys are in form.
     
  33. Crisstti

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    Why would he moan about it?, he's got 6 masters on hard court. Oh, and 2 slams.
     
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    ****** hasn't won a title off clay since October 2010 (Tokyo) by beating Clownfils :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
     
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    Wimbledon 2008 and AO 2009. The Wimbledon loss was clearly due from the beatdown he took at RG three weeks before (he was totally unable to play in the first two sets), and he lost because he was afraid of Nadal. Even more so maybe in Melbourne, where he clearly had the upper hand for the first four sets but was unable to wrap it up.

    For the record, I fully share Mustard's view, though--even though I think Federer would very probably have won both these tournaments had he let Monfils through in the RG 2008 semi (for he knew he was going to get destroyed in the final this year), as long as you come on court, you're fit to play and you accept the result as it is, no excuse.
     
  36. merlinpinpin

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    You haven't been following tennis the last ten years or so, have you?
     
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    Oh, OK, I guess you can say a mental aspect played (maybe a big) part in those matches. I thought you were saying he had lost them due to mono though.

    Sorry, I don't see your point.
     
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    Federer's 2008 would have been a lot different if it weren't for the mono, he shouldn't have declined that quickly after a stellar 2007. In fact his 08 form was probably worse than his current 2012 form even though he is 4 years older now; the reason for that IMO was the strain and interruption of training and rhythm caused by mono. No way he loses to Djokovic like that at the AO and then continues to lose to random mugs all year and gets creamed at RG.
     
  39. TMF

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    You got your resource I got my resources.

    Toni Nadal: "I hope now Roger Federer and Novak Djokovic will get injured"

    http://www.tennisworldusa.org/Toni-...k-Djokovic-will-get-injured-articolo7168.html
    http://www.tennisearth.com/news/ten...nd-Novak-Djokovic-will-get-injured-478826.htm
     
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    Lol, my source is the original one. Yours are inaccurate translations. I did you the favour of translating it for you (you're welcome, btw). You can take my word for it or learn Spanish and see for yourself.
     
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    That supposed quote from Toni that TMF posted is pure and utter bs. Give me a break,TMF. :roll:
     
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    OK.

    Let us do that.

     
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    Whether Nadal was injured, the point is that he started the match, so is fit to play. End of. The same goes for everybody else.
     
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    Uncle Toni preparing the tennis world for the "excuse machine" part-timer Nadal.

    After 6 months of rest he already speaks about pampering physical problems. From which, of course, we will not see anythig, come the clay-court season.
     
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    So, you think too, that Toni should not make comments like that?
     
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    That's not what I said. It's up to Toni what he wants to say. The point is that if a player starts the match, then he is fit to play.
     
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    That is somewhat hypocritical of you.

    We are not discussing someone's right to speak his mind, are we?
     
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    i think 'uncle toni' is too old school..he just sits there watching tennis, thinking about rafa and training and tournaments and injuries..

    where is his i-phone ? or blackberry ??..maybe a crafty look at some porn on hamsterx while waiting for rafa to serve..or some film clips on youtube of 'The Godfather' or maybe 'The Titfield Thunderbolt'..uncle toni needs to immerse himself in 21st century media and not just worry about rafa all the time..:neutral:

    why not be evil...'Uncle Toni' could change Federers wiki page and alter his career stats and move the green squares for major wins (when fed n rafa were in major finals) over to rafas page and give roger nadals purple Final squares instead. :twisted:
     
  49. Towser83

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    this cracked me up
     
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    I'm not a ******* or nadtar or whatever **** you are a fan of, I enjoy watching them all play. I don't know how anyone would pick to play in hardcourts or grasscourts over clay, just to be able to see where the ball bounced, to be able to slide on the clay... Clay is tennis, hardcourts were made just to make the maintenance of the courts cheaper, that's why they are more spread all over the states. Europe and latin america are where most of the claycourts are and im glad that happens. I don't know if everyone that posted in this thread has ever played on clay, to say that to play in hardcourt for 2 hrs would give you less injuries than a 3 hrs match in clay is nonsense, everyone knows that clay is way more forgiving than hardcourts to the joints on knees and ankles. And there are really fast claycourts, there are some that are even faster that some hardcourts it depends on how the surface was built and which clay and who much the courts has. Sometimes reading the post from the fans just blinded by their fanatism is sad. As to what Tony said it is true that there are more hardcourt tournaments than clay tournaments, that is a fact, and is not hard to believe that he would lobby to have the surface that nadal likes the most, just like when federer himself said that he would like to se more faster surfaces after losing in basel. Just my thoughts.
     

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