Top Junior's Thread

Discussion in 'Junior League & Tournament Talk' started by Lovely_Bone, Jun 28, 2012.

  1. Lovely_Bone

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    I see people on here claiming to coach future stars and very talented players. I want to see these talented juniors, as I find it very entertaining to see what the next generation has to offer. If you coach, or know a very gifted junior, Please post a video on this thread, I would LOVE to see it :D

    You can also discuss players here, just please no bashing people or their players.
    -Thanks
     
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  2. Lovely_Bone

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    Also, feel free to post video of yourself, just don't be asking people to critique you, there is a section for that. Here, I really want to see people show off in practice and matches, showing the best they've got. I would like to keep the videos ages 18 and under... Just to be clear ;)
     
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  3. TeflonTom

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    who is Top Junior and why is this his thread??

    ppl with bad grammer **** me off,
     
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  4. Lovely_Bone

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    Don't be so judgmental on yourself. I think you get the point of the thread, so stop trolling.
     
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  5. TeflonTom

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    hey its all good brah just havin some fun. srsly, cool thread
     
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    Im a good junior!
     
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    My game would dominate the junior ranks up to about 12. But im far older, so I guess that doesnt count.
     
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    For entertaining purpose only. Adorable little 4 yr old.

    This YouTube video went viral last year. Watch especially after 1:00, his conditioning and strength training, lol!
    http://www.terezowens.com/four-year-old-tennis-prodigy/
     
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    That's pretty crazy, I couldn't help but laugh when I saw that they had a 4 year old on a treadmill lol. That kid is probably going to be crazy good though, if he keeps it up. Wish I was playing at that early of an age, that's for sure!
     
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    Pretty amazing strokes, although I don't agree with hitting the weights at 4!
     
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    All these training kids, mine included, look good on video. Not sure you could do anything other than have all of us uncredentialed tennis nuts fodder to argue over the relative merits of kids on video.
     
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    Top Junior Kozlov won 1st round match at Junior Wimbledon today. He's 14.
     
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    How did the other kids do there? I think US had 8 or 9 boys there. Great for Kozlov! He s a really talented junior!!

    There were Rubin, Mc Donald, Papa, Halebian, Farren, Siegel, Kwiatkowski and Kruger. It would be great if one of them goes deep, or wins the tourney.
     
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    Thanks tennismom. Many early exits both here and at the French. Strange! I though we had a strong group of kids going.
     
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    Thai Kwiatkowski is still in. Rising high school senior from North Carolina.
     
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    So we have a veteran and a rookie still in there!:)
     
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    Kozlov lost to Liam Broady(GBR) 5th seed today. Thai kwiatkowski won his 2nd round. Krueger's result is not in yet.
     
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    It will be interesting to see what he does. If he can keep his composure he could do some damage.
     
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    K-Zoo should be very interesting this year, very interesting and entertaining indeed.
     
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    Krueger is now in QF Boys Wimbledon.
    No other US juniors, boys or girls (including Taylor Towsend), passed 3rd round.

    Post vid of our US juniors in action there, if you could find one.
     
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    Amazing effort by 14 year old Kozlov going 3 sets with Broady in the 2nd round. He lost 6-4 in the 3rd.
     
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    It is probably noteworthy that second year in a row we have an American junior doing well in the slams. Last year it was Fratangelo winning French. This year Kruger got to the semis of the French and is now in quarters of Wimby. Both kids train with their private coaches. Kruger in Texas, I think with coach Lickor and Bjorn was coached by his dad.

    The year before that it was Jack Sock who won US Open and Kudla got to the finals. Also were the product of private coaching, Sock with his coach and Kudla from the College Park academy.

    I wonder if it is coincidental that all these kids who did well on a highest stage of Junior tennis came from a private coaching environment. USTA sent a pretty good bunch of kids to these slams but have not had the same success rate. I am talking on the boys side, of course. Because on the girls side, Grace Min and Taylor Townsend won the slams.
     
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    we usually have at least one jr grand slam singles champ each year

    2012 - townsend won AO girls
    2011 - fratangelo won FO boys, grace min won USO girls
    2010 - sock won USO boys
    2009 - nothin
    2008 - coco vanderweighe won uso girls
    2007 - don young won wimby boys

    etc
     
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  28. tenniscp

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    I agree with the statistics. My point was that on the boys side, it seems like the kids do come from a private coaching environment as opposed to the USTAPD trained kids. It seems like from the names of the kids that were part of USTAPD in the last 6 -8 years, most of them wound up in college. Unless I am wrong and do not have sufficient information.

    Can anyone name someone from USTAPD program in the last 5 years who went on to become a pro? I can name plenty who are or were in college.

    I can name one kid who did go pro and that s Halebian.
     
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    i think ur prolly makin a mistake by assumin that top jrs go to college rather than ustapd because the training is better. college in the usa is expensive. 99.9% of pros dont make enough money that they dont have to work after retiring

    if u r a young player, massive gamble to skip college when someone is offerin u $100,000+ of free education. especially when the conversion rate from junior champ 2 successful pro is so low
     
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    Where did he assume that? Sounds like you are the one doing the assuming. The long-running discussion on these boards is whether the expensive USTA Player Development program ever produces anything.
     
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    isnt the ustapd program supposed to complement college? so therefore the q about whether it was usta or college which produced a player is kinda moot

    usta says 'go to college unless u regularly beating top 100 players n we'll give u extra support'
     
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    A friend is providing me with a list of the kids that went through the USTAPD in the last 5 years. I will try to see where these kids are now and what schools they are playing for. It would be interesting to see.

    This is by no means a full list of names but for what it s worth, here it is in no particular order:

    Mousheg Hovnasian, Lawrence Formentera, Jarmere Jenkins, Chase Buchanan, Evan King, Ray Sarmiento, Van Overbeek, Spencer Simon, Tyler Gardiner, Shane Vinsant, Michael Rinaldi, Hunter Harrington, Spencer Newman, Jeremy Efferding, Alexios Halebian, Roy Lederman, Michael Redlicki, Martin Redlicki, Thai Kwiatkowski, Spencer Papa, Luca Corinteli, Joseph Di Giulio, Justin Butsch, Konrad Zieba, Nikko Madregallejo, Daniel Kerznerman.


    Obviously, the list is not complete and may be added to but from all the names mentioned some are still at USTAPD but the older kids are all in college or graduating from college or going to college. The only one from the list that declared his commitment to going pro is Halebian.
     
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    Maybe I truly misunderstood the purpose of having a USTAPD. I thought they were in place to help aspiring, talented juniors to transition into lower level pros and subsequently build them up or at least get them ready for the next step.

    If you are telling me that their job is just to complement college, then they are doing that very well. I would bet that 95% of the kids that went through the PD did wind up in college.

    In order for these juniors to be regularly beating top 100 players, as you claim, they have to be in a position to do so, i.e be ranked around 200-300 in the world. Now PD should be working on getting the juniors to the 500, 400, 300 level. Or even a step before that, transition juniors from the ITF junior level to the pro level of even 1000-1300 range and then, like many claim, the cream will rise to the top. The better and stronger ones will make a jump into the 500 range, and subsequently into the 300 range.

    That is how you help produce a decent level pro and then if luck will have it, and the right choices were made in the selection process, one of them will maybe be a top 100 pro, and even more optimistically top 50, 40 , 30 and etc.

    Of course, I may be missing something in the process and I don t mind being corrected or pointed in the right direction.
     
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    No. There is a USTA college player summer program, but that is totally different. USTA Player Development works with juniors. Their goal is to produce the next Sampras, or Roddick, or similar. Their attitude for a long time was that a truly great player at that level will not go to college at all (e.g. Jack Sock). They are starting to soften that attitude and work more cooperatively with colleges, but when a player gets a fortune spent on him over years at USTA PD and then goes to college, the odds are he will not be anything like a Roddick, much less a Sampras or Agassi, and therefore many people on these boards conclude that the USTA just spent a fortune helping that guy get a college scholarship.
     
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    USTA, not USTPD, advises juniors to go to college unless u regularly beating top 100 players.

    I do not believe that the USTPD's mission is to train top juniors to go play college tennis or feed the top juniors to colleges.
     
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    Pretty strong two performances from Mitchell Kruger. Semis of two slams on two different surfaces. Had match points at wimby, in the semis. Did he turn pro yet or is he going to Texas A^M?
     
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    ^^^ According to TRN, he signed NLI with Texas A&M.
     
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    Unconfirmed but I heard he is not going to A&M.
     
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    I had the pleasure of hosting him and pop and sis when he came out for Challenger in Ojai. Got to hit with him too. Great fun.

    Looks like he's in good shape today and pushing for his highest ranking. Rubin impressive as well.
     
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    Gripping radio tennis!

    Oh ya, see pics of trophies on FB.
     
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    Yep, always rooting for him!

    Danny Nguyen and Jason Jung are making rapid ranking gains as well.
     
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    Except that they haven't reached their potential highest rankings yet. Maybe after they top out, there could be a focus shift to doubles, but they shouldn't concede while still this young.
     
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    The current #70 doubles player in the world is Andre Begemann. As most people at that level he plays both doubles and singles.

    His combined earnings for 2012 is $55,277 USD. He has played in 24 tournaments in 11 different countries. He was able to win or make the finals in several tournaments. He won $472 for winning the USA F7 Future, $247 for making the finals in the USA F8 future, $625 for making the finals in a challenger in Mexico.

    I don’t know how you can consider this “good money”. I don’t think you can even pay the travel cost.
     
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    Very much in agreement here .
     
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