Top Spin 4 Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by jamesblakefan#1, Jan 18, 2011.

  1. Clay lover

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    Just beat Simon on very hard with a Del Potro player I made-4:3 3:4 3:1

    Simon is insane, crazy angles just like Murray. I thought it was a mental thing that the CPU gets better when you are winning, how wrong I was, Simon was blasting winners into the deep and short corners at will when down breakpoint.
     
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    Clay lover, you have PSN?
     
  3. Clay lover

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    Sorry mate, I'm an Xboxer:)
     
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    I have PSN: DES_3000
     
  5. jlan

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    Aww alright. You should try playing on XBL. Human competition is so much more fun :)

    Cool, I added you. Let's have a match sometime!
     
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    just picked up the game yday. add me on psn: mrtrinh22
     
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    Cool, I added you. Let's have a match sometime![/QUOTE]

    wow, lets never speak of this tragic experience:shock:
     
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    wow, lets never speak of this tragic experience:shock:
     
  9. jlan

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    Added you :)

    My lips are sealed! GG
     
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    If anyone like clay lover wants to play on XBL, then add me: RainingAmoeba79. Say ur from TE, thoough, or else il think ur a stalker...
     
  11. jamesblakefan#1

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    delete......
     
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  12. MichaelNadal

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    Glad to see business is picking back up online in this game on ps3.
     
  13. Zildite

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    So the numbers are filling up now?
    I have that problem that a lot of other people seem to have with seeing a good number of people 'waiting' but then no one shows up in the lobby before the countdown reaches zero most of the time. Trying to get more into online stuff now after kicking around in single player...

    PSN is DeimosClay - hope to play some TW'ers :)
     
  14. jamesblakefan#1

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    I'm tired of this game now, at least for online play. Too many exploits, and my gamestyle is pretty hard to play effectively online. I made a balanced sim type player, but everyone else it seems is overpowered. I want to have fun, not play a bunch of exploits. Slice is easy to exploit, topspin overpowered, NOT ENOUGH UNFORCED ERRORS! Speed doesn't matter, 60 speed can still run down balls like Nadal and hit winners on the run. I'm just sick of this game and will take a break from it until 2K patches/balances these issues.
     
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    I'll add u and play u now if ur on. (ncmoviefan)
     
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    Thinking of getting this. Is the gameplay still as slow and boring as Topspin 3 though?
     
  17. flyinghippos101

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    This, unfortunately.

    In addition to the annoyances mentioned above, the new leveling system does absolutely NOTHING when it comes to balancing issues. People can still just as easily place all 20 of their levels on their offensive values and boom, you have a tank on court that can return almost every shot at 110 mph speeds with 100% accuracy
     
  18. MichaelNadal

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    I dunno, I pretty much at least feel competitive in every match. Except when I play jlan :p
     
  19. jlan

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    Hehe :) I think you played better with Djokovic. Becker isn't as good after the update and Djokovic is much better in every department except volleys.

    On another note, I almost lost the other day. Played a Djokovic user and was down 0-3, 0-2 with him serving for the match. I managed to win the set and shut him out in the super tie-break. Final score 0-3, 4-2, 10-0 :twisted:
     
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    I'm talking about playing w/ created guys. 2K open is still pretty okay since no pro is completely overpowered, outside of maybe Nadal and Roddick, but they're still beatable. On World Tour it's pretty frustrating. 9/10 players use topspin invasion/monster defense coach, since that skill set is the best one and is overpowered.

    It's at the point now where ITST has banned it for the time being, since it's obviously overpowered. But on World Tour you pretty much have to play an opponent w/ this coach every match, or at least 3/5 matches. They all play the same - serve out wide, top spin every shot, no unforced errors. It's pretty bad, to me even worse than playing a maxed out power guy.
     
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    The only time I've played World Tour was to get the Level 15 trophy/achievement lol. Does it still have connection issues like when the game first came out? By that I mean the game would freeze when you're in the lobby as it's filling up with opponents. It did that almost all the time for me and gave me a loss. Haven't played it since March.

    I played ITST for TS2 and TS3. It's good competition, but scheduling matches with people from different countries was a drag. Most of the time they wouldn't go on as scheduled and argued a lot.
     
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    I have a little bit of bad news (for myself anyway). I was supposed to win the 2K Open contest for the trip to the US Open this year, but due to technical issues as well as the PSN hack, all of that data was corrupted. Instead, they're having a new contest to replace it. SUCKS! At least they're sending me something, but I really wanted to go to the USO!
     
  23. MichaelNadal

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    Lol, DAMN! I know he threw his controller afterwards :p
     
  24. JeMar

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    Oh good, I thought I was the only one that was experiencing that. This is dumb. I recently found out that there's an expert mode available that you can unlock, so I've been trying to win a grand slam, but I had the misfortune of running into freaking RODDICK at Roland Garros. The guy has me running around like he's Borg and Nadal's lovechild tennis prodigy. He serves huge, returns huge, doesn't miss, hits line after line after line after line, and defends like 2011 Djokovic. The closest I've ever come was losing 2-4, 3-4. This is so frustrating!
     
  25. dcdoorknob

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    yeah, the silly slam semi thing has basically ruined career mode for me completely. The gap in CPU level was big enough that I still couldn't win a slam (or WTF, etc) semi even when I was winning every other match of the year while hardly dropping games. So I was either playing a match that I had no chance of losing (boring) or, every once in a while, getting thrashed by the exact same players in the semis. I lost interest at that point. I can just play some exibition matches to try and get better against a CPU without all the boring, too easy matches mixed in there.

    By the way, I'm pretty sure that it just ups the CPU's level one mode in slam semis, as playing Murray in a slam SF on hard seems pretty much the same as playing him on very hard in exhibition mode. I imagine when you are playing a slam SF/F on very hard, you are actually already playing the CPU on expert level, which will unlock expert level if you win lol.

    I only got this game just barely before the network went down. I'll likely try out the online play sometime in the near future.
     
  26. UkeSoap

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    Anyone know what kind of DLC they could implement into the game?
     
  27. Zildite

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    More characters ? (ex: Soderling, Sharapova)
    More racquets and gear?
    More special venues?

    Might depend on licensing to get a lot of that stuff... :|

    If you want expert mode but can't win on VH, there is a workaround where you can start out on a lower difficulty then change to VH in the post match menu after the final. Expert will be unlocked.
    It's not impossible to win the grand slams, just have to keep trying until you get good enough/work out a strategy.

    I am frustrated by some of the trophies/achievements.
    Can't get 100% in the unlock overview because of the Agassi preorder redeem code thing (only got that and the 'win 5 matches in 2K Open' left).
    Also the trophy 'Anyone Else?', where you have to beat all 25 licensed players. I am sure that should be unlocked by now...Beat all the male pros in career + dream matches and made sure I beat all the women. Unless there is one that got overlooked I don't know what's happening :-?
     
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    What's your name on PS3?
     
  29. bezs

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    Why does it take so long to set up matches on the 2K open now?
     
  30. Clay lover

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    General strategy guide vs very hard CPUs in career mode and CPUs in slam semis:

    This is only a guide for offensive/defensive baseliners because I cannot volley to save my life.

    Overall tips:
    *Serve- If you don't have too strong a serve, always do a slice serve wide to the deuce court and a kick serve wide to the ad court, this will really pull the CPU away from the court and force a weak reply. I personally mix it up down the T sometimes as if I am playing a human opponent, but actually wide serves usually do the job.

    If you have a strong serve, especially when you are with the serve stick berserker coach, you can basically get all aces on your service games by standing in the middle and serving down the T. Also, the slice serve down the T is very effective at aceing CPUs if you are a right hander serving to the ad court or vice versa.

    *Groundstrokes- Using topspin or flat shots is a matter of personal choice unless you have topspin invasion coach, but in some situations it'd be better to use one instead of the other.

    Pressure can be exerted on the CPU if you hit deep to a corner . This is especially important when you face pushers like Murray and Simon. A deep flat shot can force a short return or even draw an error, and you can then rip the ball into the opening for a winner.

    How to handle extreme angled shots- Guys like Simon and Murray love to exploit the short angles and sometimes going down the line is not an option as they have it covered. It is important then to crosscourt the shot back with topspin to the opposite short corner. Topspin provides you with the angle and when executed perfectly may pull the CPU out of position and even make a winner. Whether you stay back or move in to return that annoying shot is your choice, staying back puts you into a better position to cover the DTL but moving in gives you more chance for an angled winner.

    Go crosscourt!- I cannot stress the important of crosscourt shots. Some players love to go DTL non stop until they hit a winner. That is not the case vs tough CPU opponents, hitting crosscourt gives more margin for error and gives you more time to recover for the next shot. Unless there is an obvious opening for a DTL winner then I advise you keep hitting crosscourt until there is an opening for you to exploit the extreme angle or hit a winner DTL.

    Timing and power shots- Perfect timing is very, very important too. The quality of the shot depends on your timing and your perfect shots will have better placement as well as power. I am not a fan of precision shots unless I really run out of time as I find them hard to time. If you have enough time, why not hit with more power?

    Returning and slices- I am not a fan of slices as the CPU seems to have no problem with it, unless you have poisoned slices...Don't ever return serves with slices, they float and the CPU will kill the ball. When you return it's better to topspin it deep to the CPU's weak wing (depends who the player is).

    *Movement
    IMO the most important aspect when it comes to beating tough CPU opponents. You have to know when to move back and when to move in.

    Moving diagonally backwards gives you more time to get to a shot hit deep to one corner compared to just moving laterally. What you shouldn't do is move back too much when a ball is hit deep right at you- Do not fear to hit the ball on the rise as it robs the CPU of time and trust me, hitting on the rise is much easier in this game than in real life.

    When the ball drops short move in to go for a flat shot winner. If you stay back and try to charge up and hit a winner from there, chances are the rally will become neutral again.

    This is probably the most important tip-After you go for a crosscourt shot, DON'T use the repositioning button, don't do it manually either. I personally find the repositioning button to be bull. When you hit a crosscourt shot there is always a possiblity that the CPU hits an even more extreme angled shot back to you, that's why you would be a DUMBASS to move back into the center and get wrong footed. Just move slightly towards the centre-very slightly and expect the ball to comeback crosscourt again, even if the CPU hits DTL, chances are your character will be quick enough to cover the shot and hit it back crosscourt into the opening.

    Volleying-I suck at volleying too much to comment on that.

    I've won in the Wimby and USO against very hard comp and the World Finals (Davis Cup?) with a Safin player I created.
    His stats are roughly:
    FH 71
    BH 81
    SRV 85
    PW 86
    MVMT 54?

    Tips against different players to come soon.
     
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    Anyone here play ITST?
     
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    Just got the game yesterday. I know timing is important in tennis but damn I'm stuck on the academy lesson on timing. Maybe I'm just a noob and gotta get used to it
     
  33. SStrikerR

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    Just a question: Do real life pros ever lose to the randomly generated players? In every tournament I've been in, all the pros advance until they start playing each other. Do they ever get upset, or is it just very rare?

    Oh yeah, and when you lose a match in career, do you restart and try again, or accept the loss?
     
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    No, real-life pros always advance to the later stage of tournaments, you can tell by their relative difficulty that real life pros have NO chance of losing the the random players.

    I accept the loss, a loss is a loss...
     
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    Well if the random players have no chance, why do their matches with the pros go to 5 sets in slams almost every time? Is it a predetermined loss, with just a randomly generated score? Or will one of those scrubs eventually win the 5th set 14-12 instead of losing it? I'm always interested in looking at the draws in real life, if I know I'll never see anything interesting I'll just stop looking in-game.
     
  36. Zildite

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    Almost all the CPU matches go to deciding sets and most of those are tight no matter who is playing, its just the way it was programmed I guess.
    The upsets can come between pros, like I've had Wawrinka reach the WTF final and Davydenko as a Wimbledon finalist.
    Edit: I think Tomic can lose to randoms
     
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    I am also a new player and I had some trouble understaning the instructions. But I believe that until you get good, you should be releasing the shot button when the ball is hitting the 'X' mark. The worst that happens is that you will be hitting too early and I believe the game tutorial says that this is better than releasing too late
     
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    I recently bout TS4 and have been playing online matches only and have to wonder who these whackadoos are who have racked up some 3000 points... I have 96 points and have been playing for about a month now.
     
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    At first I thought I would suck but I got the hang of it and am doing fine in career mode now. I will wait until I get better to take a crack at online
     
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    We'll be waiting :twisted:
     
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    How much would you guys pay for a copy of Top Spin 4? Thinking about purchasing, just wondering how much the game is worth...
     
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    Decided to use my Ivo Karlovic on World Tour. It's pretty fun to just bomb aces on guys. The only thing is that since speed doesn't matter enough, I don't really get penalized for having such a low speed stat. Anyone want some of Dr. Ivo? :D

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    FWIW here's my 'sim' guy.

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    Hey I was thinking about getting this game so I just looked some vids up on youtube... one weird thing I noticed is that sometimes players who have a platform serve will use pinpoint. Even sampras.... what is up with that.
     
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    Ya, its pretty sad...... they have like 2 animations and theyre to lazy to even try to make the players accurate.
     
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    I agree. This was easily the most disappointing aspect of this game for me. Why did they make Federer serve with the pinpoint stance? and why did they make even fewer animations than in previous games? And the whole serve volley moderator thing is ridiculous since it completely changes the way the player serves and makes it incredibly obvious and useless
     
  47. flyinghippos101

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    Anyone trying out this new patch? Played a few games on world tour and I'm hitting loads of errors now. You can totally feel every shank now.
     
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    Yup, I played a couple of matches since the update. It has changed the style of play now and I don't like it at all. Although it does make matches and points more realistic with higher fatigue rate and errors, it takes away A LOT from the competitive gameplay of more skilled players. Instead of winning points with strategy, points are decided by fatigue and errors now. I think you'll be seeing EVEN MORE Nadal users in 2K Open. Stamina plays a big part now and you can just tire out the player with less stamina as their shots will have nothing on them anymore.

    Sharp angles are heavily decreased now. If you're good, you can neutralize those shots easily and even hit a better angled return. Now they just noobed it up.

    I'm just ranting and hating right now about my first impressions of the new update, but I'm sure with more matches I'll get used to it.
     
  49. MichaelNadal

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    Hmm, time for me to get on and try it.
     
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