topspin 1st serve

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  1. 16

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    my coach has always told me to hit a flat serve for a first then a topspin for a second but recently i've been focusing on some reletivley big servers and they seem to be using topspin on both.

    My ?'s are should you use topspin on a 1st?
    how can you apply more power to a spin serve?(some general ways)
    does height determine what type of serve one should use?
     
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  2. Stitch626

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    I think that it is basically what you are trying to achieve. Like when I started learning how to hit a kicker I would do it for 1st and 2nd serves just to practice. Sometimes when you can't seem to get any serve in, the kicker is the way to go because it drops in basically all the time. And sometimes a very good kicker can be harder to return than a "flat" serve that can easily be blocked back.
     
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  3. Max G.

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    Depends what surface you play on. I'd definitely suggest applying plenty of spin on your first serve uness

    a) you're playing on a fairly quick surface

    b) you have a very dependable, effective second serve.

    Flat serves aren't as difficult to return as they might at first seem, unless you can hit them very hard; if you can mix up flat and topspin, that would be the deadliest.
     
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  4. gmlasam

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    I kinda disagree with your coach. I believe you should serve to keep your opponet guessing. Always mix it up.
     
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  5. finchy

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    and it wouldnt hurt to slice a serve into the body to keep ur opponent awake. :shock:
     
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  6. fjgarciap

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    Totally agree. Mix effects (flat, top, slice) with ball positioning (by the sides, by the T, at center).
     
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  7. 16

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    i kinda said it wrong to give my coach some credit he said that a flat first would be most affective for me, not that its my only answer for 1st serves. i mix my serves up pretty well i just dont have enough power on my topspin serves to hurt my opponent.
    anyone no any basic ways to apply more power, how does it compare and contrast to trying to apply more power on a flat serve? thanks
     
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  8. fjgarciap

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    Try bending your knees for more impulse and thus get extra power from your leg's muscles.
     
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  9. @wright

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    A player's height certainly affects the kind of serve he can hit effectively. A tall player can obviously go alot flatter and have an easier time getting serves in than a short person would be able to. That's not to say a short person can't be a very effective server, just look at Marcelo Rios. He was 5'8 and could serve as effectively as most big servers. If you can move your serve around at will and serve a few different ways such as slice, flat, topspin, kick, you'll be able to get lots of free points and bread and butter plays serving out wide, etc.
     
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  10. Robert Jones

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    I have a SLAP shoulder tear so I do not use my Flat heater much anymore. I use spin spin. My first serve spin is much more aggressive than my normal spin second serve.

    While there is no substitute for good ole heat on a serve I have found spin serves to work better on many opponents. Some guys can block back 120mph flat serves easily but totally mishit kickers and sliders which are 70-90mph.

    Doing spin first and second is not all that bad. I don't get as many aces but I do get more mishits with spin.

    But I will say that when my heater is on I get many more free points vs spin. Depends on your percentages, if your flat serve is 40% you may be better off going spin first serve if you can get 80% in .

    I don't look for aces anymore, just a short return that I can pound.

    If you are 4.5 or higher player it seems all those guys have decent heat.
     
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  11. Bungalo Bill

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    Definitely use a topspin serve for your first serve. Also, use a flat serve for a first serve. You can even apply slice on a hard hit first serve. Placement is most important for your serve. Mixing up the speed and spin for your first serve is equally important so long as you're still able to place it where you want it. In other words, if your hitting a wide serve you might want to put a little topspin on it to help you clear the net and get it in. The wide serve is simply a setup for the next shot you have in your tactical plan - so get it in.

    Racquet head speed is key for pace and spin. The faster your racquet head speed is, the more spin and pace you can hit the ball. If the speed of your swing is allowing your racquet to brush up on the ball more then plowing through it - the more topspin the ball will have vs. straight line pace.

    This is because your directing the speed of your swing more for effect then for punch.
     
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