Tour Diablo...

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  1. MikeHitsHard93

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    Anyone ever play with this stick? I don't think I've ever heard anyone talk about it, which makes me wonder why TW still stocks it.
     
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    I'm interested in this as well since i'll be getting one in 2-3 weeks. From what i've heard from my coaches hitting partner, it plays alot like a tour 90 but a tad muted.
     
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  3. UCSF2012

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    Let's just say, if Federer played the Diablo, he would have as many slams as Steffi Graf, all 33 of them. But I'll let you guys form your own opinions on it.
     
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  4. sansaephanh

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    Great stick. I played it for a while until it dawned on my that it didn't fit my game very well.

    Heavy, tons of spin, mutled, soft and the control of a mid with a sweetspot of an MP. I had two of them for a good amount of time. The only reason I switched was that I felt I needed something more forgiving for my level, but i have to admit that it's pretty forgiving for those with good fitness. I couldn't play it after 5 hours of hitting, too hefty for me. Crazy good at the all court game.

    Big serves, spin, control, I liked the touch, but the feel was a bit too muted for me. If you're a poly user I'd suggest a crisper string in there. Thing is a monster if you can handle the weight for 5 sets. one of mine weighs up around 13oz.
     
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  5. UCSF2012

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    It's 12.2 oz UNSTRUNG, not strung, like the specs says. I weighted mine, and there were all 12.2 unstrung. The final weight is just under 13oz. The racket is VERY low powered, lower than any of their current racket. Lower than the EXO3 graphite which had a 700 powerlevel. Diablo is 625! It's also very stiff, since it uses hyper carbon.

    I'd like to think of it as the 93 sq in version of the Head Speed Pro. Head copied Prince's head shape and design, just made it 98 sq in.
     
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  6. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    It's like a Graphite for people who hate crossbars?
     
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  7. UCSF2012

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    I bought the Diablo because I HATED the crossbars. So no crossbars, stiffer due to hyper carbon, triple threat weights at 2 and 10. That's about it. Just lower power.
     
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  8. MikeHitsHard93

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    ^Funny you mention the graphite. I have an EXO3 Graphite and thought this would be very similar...btw have any of you tried the MP?
     
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    Does that mean that the MP is actually 11.7-11.9 oz strung?..
     
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  10. UCSF2012

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    Dunno. Never even held one in my hands.
     
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  11. MikeHitsHard93

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    scale of 1-10, how much did you like everything about it?
     
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  12. Disgruntled Worker

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    It felt unstable to me. But I'm sure if you're strong enough, you could whip it through contact for some wicked spin. Also, not a whole lot of racquets come in 16x20.
     
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  13. MikeHitsHard93

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    are you talking about the mp?
     
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  14. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    I too hate those stupid crossbars. Haha, I need a hole to hold my tennis ball right before the toss.

    That, and common sense tells me the location of the crossbars have negligible effects on stability. So I looked at it as a marketing scheme and left it well alone.

    I used to play with Head Ti. Heat when it came out and I was in high school, didn't like it. Though I'll make one exception, Head Ti. Fire Pro Edition, good god that was a sweet sweet racquet.
     
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  15. UCSF2012

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    I'm most deadly with this racket. It's my go-to for competition. 9.5-10/10. I tinker with other frames just for fun, like the Blade Tour, 6.1 95, etc. Diablo comes out when I want to destroy. To hell with them all!

    But be forewarned. It's very low powered. Your strokes have to be full and whippy. You will have to be recreational Federer, in a sense. Serves are a sniper gun. Most spin of any racket on serves.

    Warning: this is the LOWEST power Prince racket, compared to their entire EXO3 line.
     
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  16. sansaephanh

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    Wait do you want the MP or the Mid? All my experience is with the mid.
     
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    Meh, if I can use the mid I will lol. I can use a 95, so I might be able to get used to a mid. I'm 5'10", 175lbs and pretty strong 19 yo. Think I can handle it? I am a high 3.5 if not 4.0. I like the feel of old rackets :D
     
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    Haha recreational federer.....sounds like a sick stick. Pretty much you can send them to hell with this racket? Awesome pun.
     
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    I have one mid and a second that should show up next week. The one I have is 352 grams in a 1/2 size with OG and strung with BHBR 17. I toy with the idea of using it all the time. It has good spin - not quite as much as my POG Mid, but enough. The sweet spot is quite large for a 93. I like the power - or lack of of it - where I live which is at 3800 feet with 20% humidity. Here balls fly quickly and I feel I can keep control. I did bring it as my only racquet while on vacation this summer at sea level and 80% humidity and was amazed how short my shots were landing. My strokes are not good enough to use it well there.

    As far as the feel, it is nice and muted. I don't have a POG Mid Tour (current TW) model, but I have a Straight Shaft one and a couple 4 stripes. The feel is quite a bit less harsh than the Straight Shaft one and I assume the Tour model, just slightly more muted than the 4 stripe. I haven't tried the exact same string in both yet so it is tough to make a direct comparison. USCF2012 says the Diablo has the most spin on serves, but I get a bit more with my POG Mid.

    Vs my EXO3 Tour 16x18, it has quite a bit less power but you can make up for that with good technique as it does have more mass and a higher swingweight. When I get really good contact with the Diablo I can feel the ball flatten into the strings and it is a great sensation. I don't get that as much with my Tours even though I have them leaded up. I like the feel of the Diablo more and if I am playing well I like the Diablo is better. My OHBH is better with the Diablo. The EXO3 tour is more forgiving, sends a loopier ball and if I am playing like crap and on the defense it is better.

    I have considered saying screw it, selling most of my racquets and just learning to play better with the Diablo.

    TW lists the twist weight as being lower than a lot of other racquets. I noticed it a bit when I first picked it up but adjusted.

    What are everyones favorite strings for it?
     
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  20. sansaephanh

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    BHBR17. Just crisp enough to get some nice feel and just soft enough to keep my arm happy while providing massive amounts of spin. BHB7 is too springy for me =/, but it did yield some nice loopy defense.
     
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  21. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    I forgot to add that I used to play with the NXG Graphite Mid for a few months, got out of that funk really quick.
     
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    BHBR 17 is what I have in it and I have liked it but I am out and feel I should try some of the 8-10 other polys I have around before buying more. It is getting colder so I may be looking for a bit more power. I was going to try either BHB7 in a full bed, Typhoon 16L in a full bed, or some hybrid with Forten, OSGM or NVy. I also have half a set of cheap gut and about 6 other polys to try.
     
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  23. sansaephanh

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    well if you can afford all though strings try Tour Bite 17 or RPM Blast. I'd play those if I had the cash lol.

    SPPP is on my must try list and Power Player is slowly selling me on trying Gosen Poly Break.
     
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    it is good, but hurt my arm a bit, and even if i tend to like stiff rackets it felt a bit too stiff. But i did not like the wide headshape.
     
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  25. MikeHitsHard93

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    Is it as wide as, persay, the ignite head shape? (almost completely round)
     
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    same shape as EXO graphite 93, but plays very different...
     
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    I took a look at the "spin window" in the TWU and it lists them both as 9.61" wide at 21" from the butt. It is also the same size/shape as the POG Mid.
     
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    Hmm ok. I own a exo3 graphite 100 and find it actually hard to even frame the ball. I like that part of the racket A LOT. It's the weight in the head that I can't handle. So, anyone have any experience with these couple of sticks so that we can make a good comparison?

    Morten maybe?
     
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  29. UCSF2012

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    If you can't handle the EXO3, you can't handle the Diablo. Heavier, smaller sweetspot, stiffer. You'll have to swing the Diablo even faster than the EXO3 to get the ball moving.

    It's 12.2 UNstrung. Add 0.6oz for the string. This racket is similar to the K90 in many ways, minus the serve problems.
     
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  30. MikeHitsHard93

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    Alright just for good measure I hit with the EXO3 tonight, and I actually did just fine with it :D I think that I swing harder now than I did when I first got the racket. It has been my dads racket now for quite some time. However, I do not want to go to anything that swings any slower. A racket with similar control and power to the graphite would be ideal.
     
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  31. morten

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    don`t listen to UCF ;) 12.2 strung, and lower the tension a bit and you will be fine, it is a great frame, i switched to leathergrip btw. Diablo(mid) feels more precise/thinner/stiffer than the exo graphite line. I would try a good multi, like x1
     
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  32. royfrombigd

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    The Tour Diablo is hands down my favorite midsize frame ever. I had 4 at one time and loved hitting with it. Came to the realization I needed a bigger, more forgiving headsize. The reason TW stills carries it is because it is a classic winner. If you're trying midsize racquets, you owe it to yourself to give it a try.
     
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  33. SFrazeur

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    Any love or hate for the MIDPLUS?
     
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    Second one showed up. 349g strung with overgrip. I weighed my other one again and it turns out it is 349g string with overgrip as well. Both grip size 4 1/2.
     
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  35. TheCheese

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    I've been playing with the tour diablo mid for about 4 years now. I'm a 4.5/5.0 level player.

    It's a great stick, very solid classic feel. It's similar in specs to the Wilson 90 inch Fed racket, but has a rounder shape to the head.
     
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  36. amx13

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    Love! I played with that frame for a while and it's great, the only thing that lacks is power, very hard to keep up with a hard hitting partner with it, but other than that a great frame, tons of control, arm friendly and spin monster
     
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