Tourna Big Hitter Black 7 vs B5E

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  1. dre

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    I've been reading a few threads about the Tourna Big Hitter Black 7, and trying decide which textured, spin friendly reel to buy this summer. I loved the spin production of B5E (17g) @ 53/51, but it didn't have much feel.

    Spin, comfort and feel are my priorities. I do plan to soften the bed with Gosen og Sheep Micro 17g if a full bed is too stiff.

    Tourna Big Hitter Black 7 a wise choice in a Head Extreme MP ?
     
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  2. drkplayer122

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    You might have to watch out though. The extreme is pretty stiff stick and the BHB7 isnt necessarily a stiff string but not soft either. But the spin production is amazing though
     
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  3. dre

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    thanks for the heads up. Unfortunately, I'm all to familiar with the Extreme (GE/TE) issues. Hopefully, a slight drop in tension and better fundamentals should help.

    I'm looking for 'amazing' !

    thx
     
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  4. TenFanLA

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    I played with YT Extreme Pro which is a heavier, stiffer brother of Extreme MP until very recently. B5E/Syn or B5E/Gut gave me practically the same spin and control, better power and DEFINITELY better feel and comfort (than full bed B5E.) I now use MG Rad Pro 16x19 and B5E/Syn's superiority over full bed B5E is even more pronounced. You should probably try out BHB7 too but you should definitely try B5E hybrid before making a final decision. I'm loving this setup so far.
     
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  5. Torres

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    The only things BHB7 and B5E share are the fact that they're (1) black (2) shaped, and (3) both produce a ton of spin and 'grab' on the ball. Apart from that they're quite different strings.

    At the same tension:-

    - B5E is low powered, much stiffer and doesn't have much feel. It fact, it feels pretty dead. It's also hard on the arm if you play alot of tennis. Control is very good - primarily due to the fact its low powered; its practically impossible to hit the ball out of the court with this string. You can topspin everything without the fear of the ball flying. If you can live with its characteristics, it a good string for taming a power racquet. This string forces you to play a more patient game based on constructing points, creating openings, and finding angles rather than hitting through the court. Alot of people seem to prefer it as a hybrid, but its not something I've tried.

    - BHB7 is at the other end of the spectrum. It's not stiff at all, in fact, its very springy, its fairly powerful but not overly so. Produces a very heavy ball if you've got half decent technique. Performance longevity is excellent - it holds it performance much better than any other poly I've tried. The string allows you to hit through the court much more than B5E as well as allowing you to construct points. 17 runs very thin - probably close to 1.20-1.22mm, 16 is probably around 1.24-1.26. I'd be going for the 16 if I had a 100/16x19 with any sort of 'oomph' to the racquet.

    Neither string is particularly good for touch play. B5E 17 is a bit too dead and BHB7 17 is a bit too springy (the 16 is less springy).
     
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  6. dre

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    I enjoyed the B5E last year, but it left me wanting more. I found myself swinging hard at times trying to finish points with the low powered setup. I also felt B5E goes dead quickly. If its cold, fugetaboutit !

    @TenFanLA - I recently ran out of B5E and tried to hybrid the B5E with scorpion 1.22 (too powerful @53/51) and the msv hex. I plan on trying the Gosen OG Sheep Micro 17g in the crosses. They are cheap enough to get rid of I dont like the setup. But the Mains I plan to play test the rest of the year.

    @Torres - I like the idea of having a heavier ball. If the BHB7 16g is less springy, I'm guessing it is also stiffer and harder on the arm as well ?
     
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  7. mikeler

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    B5E works great in a hybrid but even then, when it gets cold out the string gets pretty hard. Taking the winter off from B5E to test some multis, but I'll be back to it come spring.
     
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    I really like the B5E, played some of my best tennis with it last year. I hate to switch to a new string, but the down side(s) of the B5E is stopping me from committing. I also wished I had tried a multi setup before the reel ran out !

    B5E have definitely made an impression on me. From what I've read so far, sounds like the BHB7 will pick up with the B5E left off (with some tweaking of course.)

    this sucks !
     
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    Looks like BHB7 and B5E are both very good strings.

    I'm leaning toward the BHB7 and wondering if its the right string for my stick & game. Also, will I need to raise the tension above (53/51) to get some added control ? (I'm recovering from GE, tried a multi and hated it)

    Style:
    - I have a big, fast swing and need spin / control in the extreme mp.
    - western forehand / 1handed backhand.
    - good flat serve / better kick serve
    - mix of serve&volley / baseline
    - additional info needed ?

    Last years setup: I used about 3 grams of lead at 3 and 9, and extra over-grips for the big paws. The extreme mp was 13oz (not an issue.) The heavy / stiff stick and low powered B5E worked well in heat, worthless in the cold.

    Thoughts about this setup and the BHB7 (and others?) are appreciated.

    Thanks again !
     
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  10. TenFanLA

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    I have used both B5E and BHB7 in YT Extreme Pro and MG Rad Pro. B5E has plenty of spin and tons of control. It is my favorite poly for volleys. However in singles you need to generate the pace to hit winners thru the court. BHB7 has good control and tons of spin. I can easily hit winners thru the court. It is more elastic than B5E so it doesn't do well when digging up hard spinning topspin passing shots from your shoelaces. So I prefer BHB7 for singles and B5E for doubles.
     
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    'I can easily hit winners thru the court.'

    I think this is what I'm missing. With B5E my rallies are deep with heavy top, but seem to sit up too long and gives my opponent time to get to them. Sometimes I feel I'm over swinging to end points.

    'it doesn't do well when digging up hard spinning topspin passing shots from your shoelaces'

    if the string is anywhere as good as the reviews, I'll find a way.
     
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    pros pro strings

    Just received a set of strategem and hexaspin twist from pros pro.

    I'm play testing hexaspin this weekend and trying to figure out what tension I should string the stick.

    Any suggestions ?

    I prefer a firm string bed, but not stiff. I also believe the hexaspin is a soft ploy.
     
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    Hexaspin twist "Match Test"

    I tested the string at my first league match. The hexaspin twist is soft with good power and decent spin. Got the W.

    I strung it in a hybrid at 51/51 and having control issues hitting too long and wide during serves and rallys. Bumping up the tension on the other half to 53/51 to see if I can get some control back.

    Testing at a practice match tomorrow. Lets see if its any better.

    note: I'm also using a new extreme IG that seems to have a heavier head than my regular microgel sticks. A big reason I'm hitting long and flatter.
     
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    I just strung a hybrid of BHB7/B5E in a babolat pure storm tour. Should be interesting... Hoping to tame the power of the bhb7 just a bit.
     
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    Not another thread about spin strings

    Match tested Pro's Pro soft strategem and hexaspin twist, and they opened new options in my string search. Both strings are too soft at my regular tension (B5E@53/51) and were strung higher at 55/52 (this possibly reduced the spin potential.)

    The good: Enjoyed the 'control' from both strings. During the match, I quickly realized I couldn't overhit shots and hope to be bailed out by extra spin. Pace was also good on passing shots from both wings. I also threw in a few drop shots during the match and they felt 'AMAZING'. Can't remember having this kind of feel from B5E or any other string to date.

    The bad: Dead after 5 hours. Frequent restringing.

    Conclusion: Will need to commit to a few reels and restring the sticks frequently. Very good experience while it lasted.
     
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  16. BigT

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    How would you compare each of them to B5E?
     
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  17. tymmh789

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    How does the BHB7 compare to BHBR? I'm just trying to figure out if it's worth ordering a set to try before I get another reel of BHBR.
     
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  18. dre

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    Let me start off by saying the B5E (@53/51) allows me to be super aggressive from the baseline, and lets me to hit the ball violently to create an obscene amount of spin. It feels like I'm using a freakin chainsaw !!!

    Opponents frequently corrected out calls to in. This was my version of control.

    On the other-hand, I took a few cuts with the hexaspin twist and strategem setups, and felt something I've never experienced with B5E... touch/feel. The spin potential is there with the hexaspin twist for sure ! Both are thin and very soft strings, much softer than I'm use to.

    I started slicing shots and was amazed at the control. I also got a little 'drop shot happy', only to see what I could do (return of serve, and from the baseline.) I went from a basher to my very own version of a pusher. I felt I could put the ball anywhere. I bet either would be good in doubles.

    However, I wished they lasted longer (5 hours.) I was just getting started...

    The 17g B5E did last approx 10 hours, but also broke frequently on off center hits.

    Overal, a good experience !
     
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    I'm starting to miss using B5E after reading this. :)
     
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    How would you compare Strategem to Hexaspin Twist?
     
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    BigT - Its tough to compare the two because I tried them at different tensions. My regular 53/51 was way too soft for the hexaspin twist. However, at 55/52 the strategem felt better. Still felt I needed to go higher though.

    Initially, I had a hard time adjusting to both strings with my regular swings. I took slower, deliberate cuts and both had similar feel. SOFT with good control.

    The hexaspin twist at lower tension seem to have more spin potential. I can only wonder how it would play with the stiffer bed I prefer.
     
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    Same here. thinking about a hybrid...
     
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  23. mikeler

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    Full B5E seems to be vastly inferior to B5E hybrids on TTW.
     
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    And people I string for. I switched a guy from barbed wire mains to B5E and he said its the best string he's ever tried.
     
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    Just ordered a reel of PRO'S PRO BLACKOUT and a set of BLACK FORCE.

    Expecting big things !!!
     
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    Would b5e go well with power synthetic cross to aid power. ?

    If so what tension would you string both,,,,, need to string tomorrow
     
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  27. ccmtennis

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    Is anyone able to compare the b5e to the scorpion aside from the obvious fact that it is textured, especially with regard to feel and control
     
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  28. Torres

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    Two very different strings. B5E is alot more 'bitey', stiffer, dead, more one dimensional, less adjustable. Scorpion, noticeably less spin, more 'all round' in its characteristics, goes dead quick and when its dead it gets stiffer, loses spin and power.

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=6009418&postcount=1
     
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  29. ccmtennis

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    Great review and comparison thx, I will try it out
     
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