Discussion in 'Strings' started by SteveI, Dec 25, 2011.
Here we go again ... just ordered a couple of sets, can't wait to string it up.
Tourna Big Hitter Black 7...Review in RSI Mag May 2012
Tourna Big Hitter Black 7...Review in RSI Mag May 2012 page.. 42-43. Outstanding marks.. #1 spin string ever rated by RSI... THE BEST!!
There is the link..
http://www.racquetsportsindustry.com/issues/201205/index.html (PAGE 44-45 online)
Well deserved..it's a great string.
I agree with the article except one factor: Stiffness rating.
They rated BHB7 less stiff (196) than PSGO (217). No way! If this was the case, I would be switching to it immediately vs. contemplating it. I didn't feel this was the case for me at all. BHB7 feels stiffer than PSGO and even BHBR (233) when stringing up and hitting on the courts. But I will agree that it is the best biting string, so far, that I have tested out with Poly strings.
Nasty slice and spin action. You can really feel it grip the ball.
I have to question the stiffness rating also. 1st of all is PSGO 217???. Seems like they have those numbers reversed?
Prince Synthetic Gut Original 17
Sorry can't see that one...
Will BHB7 last longer than BHBR? I play BHBR / Gosen and the BHBR starts having vibrations after 8 hours, is that what you guys call going dead?
Also what gauge of BHB7 plays better?
I'm not sure BHB7 will last longer than BHBR, but it stays consistent longer than BHBR. BHBR has quite a dropoff after a few hours, but i'm pretty sure will last longer. BHB7- you definitely want to get that in 16 gauge. It looks like a 17 and will help it last longer. I would probably break the 17 gauge in 2-3 hours. I've gotten between 5-8 hours with the BHB7-16.
Just goes to show all the postive comments in this thread about its spin potential are vindicated.
I think the guy at post #83 who originally described it as 'spin, spin, spin' was pretty accurate with his comments. :-D
^^^ I don't think BHB7 has the same spin potential as BHBR. It does, however, wipe the floor with all other poly when it comes to slices.
^ It's a different type of spin. In the right setup, I think there's definitely more potential for greater forward rotations on the ball with BHB7. It might be racquet dependent. For example, BHB7 just didn't jive for me in a 6.1 95/18x20 (whereas BHBR did) but BHB7 was great in a 98/18x20 Prestige. I'm definitely in the camp that believes that some strings work better in some racquets than others.
LOL Read my Black Mamba review in my thread that I just posted. It wasn't even the same string, I swear. My tinny AG100 just feels like a toy now compared to the 4D200, so I thought I'd try the Mamba again. Fantastic stuff.
Ok something is very strange. The BHB7 has a stiffness rating of 196 but it feels very stiff. **** thats a lower rating than Gosens OG Sheep 17 gauge (199). It must have to do with the chemicals that they use. So are BHBR, BHSR and BHB7 all polyether?
Can anyone explain this?
BHB7 causes my topspin shots to jump higher than when i use bhbr. i also get more pop with the hybrid compared to full bhbr. ill try full bhb7 soon and see how that fits in
Torres, I could really use your help.
So I've been playing around with the igpmp as of late and I've just been going through some strings. So far I've gone thru tf black code 16 (not convinced tho), bhb7, bc 17, and now bhbr.
I only got to hit with the bhbr for a short time today, but I'm not sure if I like it, it just felt too mush. The "bc16" felt great but then again I'm not sure it's actually it and bc 17 and bhb7 felt similar with bhb7 feeling a but crispier and a tiny bit more lively.
My question to you is what's been working best for you? I know we are not the same person but just trying to get some insight from some one who's tried similar stuff.
What felt best for me so far was bc, I have another set of 17g that I'll string uP lower this time @ maybe 52. Accidentally strung it at 55 last time, felt too tight.
Ahh... stiffness ratings. The numbers are right, but what we read into them can be quite wrong.
Tension drop, too. That's only measured after 24hrs.
Some strings level out, others keep dropping, one or two get a bit tighter.
Great job, Tourna/Unique!
A well thought out line that gives performance AND value.
That includes QuasiGut and, of course, Tournagrips.
I'll bet they make good nets and windscreens, too.
Without a doubt..and taking it a step further it also depends on the player's strokes/game as well. Some of these reviews can be very subjective..but when a ratings magazine has overwhelmingly positive results, that is a good sign.
They have a nice white hat that is a great value also...
Good, solid ratings across the board accounts for playing styles and rating in most cases. The BHB7 review from RSI can't be discounted..
About the BHB7 stiffness rating of 196.
I have been thinking about the USRSA stiffness ratings and how some strings can have a low stiffness rating (for a poly) but feel harsh.
One thing that I have discovered is that stiffness and hardness are not the same.
Stiffness : rigid or firm; difficult or impossible to bend or flex: a stiff collar.
Hardness : the state or quality of being hard: the hardness of ice.
In short, nothing's working best for me at the moment!
Been occupied with various things recently - work stuff, Babolat APDC tests, GOAT hybrids (gut/Alu) in a 6.1 95, and lead mods to the IG PMP (need to get the racquet weighted to my preference first), so unfortunately I haven't had much time to play with the IG PMP properly other than doing lead modding tests on it, let alone do string tests on it.
That said, I strung up a full bed of BHBR16 in it at 54lbs. I have to admit that it didn't feel quite right. The problem (if we can call it a problem) is that BHBR is a soft co-poly and the IG PMP is a soft, muted frame. Like you, I thought the racquet / string combination just felt too soft. I was crying out for something stiffer and crisper.
I also tried RPM Blast in this racquet. I liked that string in the IG PMP.
I'd hazard a guess than Scorpion 17 might also work with this stick (it works well with the YT PMP until it goes dead) and maybe some stiffer polys, which will probably be the next group of strings I tried with this racquet. Basically, if I were to make an educated guess, I think it needs a stiffer string somewhere in the stringbed, whether in the cross or the mains or both. Maybe Kirschbaum Evo which TW mention alot (though I've never tried it - I don't like the idea of a prestretched poly). Haven't tried BHB7 in the IG yet, but in theory it should work, provided you're prepared to spin everything and not hit too flat (its at its best when spinning everything as it gets a bit elastic with flat hitting IMO).
When I get round to it, I'll try and post again. In the meantime, if you find something suitable, do let me know! You should also ask TW Chris, because I think he's switched to this racquet.
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Spin comments contained within it vindicated by the subequently RSI playtest.
This should be a 5 star thread, and SteveI should get a pat on the back for starting it and giving everyone an early 'heads up' on this string.
Vote this thread up a couple of stars everyone!
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There is 30 seconds of my life I can't get back.
It was the greatest 30 seconds though. :mrgreen:
I can't wait to see what they come out with next.
They've set the bar pretty high.
A line of racquets, maybe?
Not sure what this means???
Thanks for the kind words Torres. Love to try new products. I have tested more than a couples of strings and frames for TW, Wilson...etc. I am glad that so many did such nice work in our little unoffical BHB7 17G Playtest. I was happy to get one of the 1st reels released and more than happy to share this new product with fellow Talk Tennis string testers. Folks can rate this thread in any fashion they like. The thread is getting great play as is the string. I do not work for Tourna, TW or any other tennis manufacturer.
Thanks to all the provided their time and expert, professional (ie.. no crap) reviews.
I am off to the courts....ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Sat morning... sun ..clean, crisp air and tennis. What is better than that???
Strung up the 17ga last night at 40lbs; played three longs sets this morning.
I like this string alot and it played softer than I thought it would. Spin production is really really good as reported by everyone else. Decent pop on flat serves and great action on slices and kickers. It is a little springy at net, not an issue on block/flat volleys but my carved volleys were floating a little. I hit a couple of drop shots that seemed to sit up a little more than usual; I may increase the tension to 44lbs and see how that feels all around.
Hitting tomorrow as well, I'm hoping the string feels as good then. I'd like to try the 16ga as well - PM me if you want to swap a 16 for a 17.
I see a reel of this coming to my house soon.
The Har-Tru courts opened for play at my club. Played doubles yesterday. It was my first time using BHB7 on the clay and my groundies and serves were really kicking up. I was really impressed and got the 4.5 player on the other team to actually whif on a few of my serves. As a 3.25 who started playing tennis just under three years ago, this is a big accomplishment for me.
Strung full bed at 51 lbs in a TF 325 V02 Max. Really, really love this string. Doesn't move around either which I also like.
Finally hit the BHB7 and was astounded
This string has excellent directional control, much better than the BHBR. You will want to have a long fast stroke to utilize this string.
I would say that I like hitting flat and top from the baseline. Especially the really big ****ers that explode off the court. :twisted: I hit the biggest kicks I have ever hit with these strings.
Felt confident returning kick serves with aggressive slices and hitting lasso returns as my buddy was hitting 8 foot serves over my head.
Feel is very good for a poly but I imagine depth control will take some time to dial in.
This company really has outdone itself with this string.
I've got a set but haven't had time to string it up. Reading all these positive reviews is killing me! I'm hoping to play with it next weekend.
Durability is not the best compared to SPPP, Hyperion, Silverstring, Tornado, Alu etc... BUT spin, spin, spin... forget MSV, RPM, Hextreme, Tornado.... tried them all and this one performs better from all of these in spin department. Allmost all shaped strings need dampener... this one does not < really impressive. Second shaped poly after Hextreme that I really like and it's also more hand friendly than Hextreme. I use gauge 1.25. It's defenetly worth to try this one out. And remember - don't string it too tight!
I hated it in a full bed, I tried 60/55/50 and my arm hurt after playing with each one. I was expecting it to feel softer than BHBR, but that's not what I felt at 60. It felt pretty boardy at 60, but felt much better at 50. More plush feel, but not as crisp as I would like.
I decided to try a hybrid with my last half set of BHBR 17. I strung BHBR mains, bhb7 crosses, both at 58. The bhb7 feels like it has tamed the BHBR a bit. I also noticed that the BHBR stretches much more compared to bhb7 which may explain why I like the BHBR more. I kind of like the mix. Gonna compare the hybrid to full BHBR when my blue reel comes in.
bhbr is softer and more elastic than bhb7 so should be strung lower otherwise it will feel harsh and stiff. i've found that bhb7 works great w/ a softer poly cross. i like to combine it w/ polystar energy as a cross. i increase the tension of the polystar +2#s and it provides a great blend of comfort, control, power, feel and spin.
just curious but who hear has tried both the BHB7 and the Topspin max rotation? i know its the same string but just curious if others found that as well..
Agree completely with your assessment. The only reason I am using the Lux Savage right now is because of the springy volleys with the BHB7.
This thread has been a great read and because of it I picked up a reel of BHB7 17 to try as a cross with Babolat Tonic mains. My two concerns is those edges feel really sharp and if it's a softer string than Black5Edge which I'm hoping it is.
I agree with most of this.
So played this in a speed MP@53 for about 2.5 hours tonight. It didn't hurt my wrist! Comfortable in stiff racket for sure. It did have pretty good spin, but my technique was all over the place tonight, so I couldn't reap in very well. Where I DID notice the difference was my serves. The stiff racket+that string was comfortable with a ton of power in the sweet spot. I would have strung it higher, but it wasn't my racket lol. My penetrating serve was really moving, but I was hitting long quite often. My angles were pretty amazing with the ones i really tried to focus on spin with. I was hitting all sorts of lines. The most aces i've had in a while.
Ton of directional control
Really good spin if you have strokes that compliment it (i hit flat so I had a little trouble)
A bit too much pop for me, but I believe that was a tension problem. I'd love it @ 57.
Though I'm not sure how tension maintenance is as I only played for 2.5 hours.
Tried it yesterday in a Black Drive+ @ 52/50. It's a really solid string but I'm not sure whether I'd make it my main string choice yet. It's the softest poly I've personally played with. I found great pop on serves and a solid directional control. I need another outing with it to really get a solid feel for it. It does have a lot of power and I wasn't able to really swing out the way I can with a fresh set of stiffer poly. Perhaps as noted by the poster above, I should have strung it higher. It's a very unique string but I'm not sure whether it will be what I buy a reel of. It's competing with some other strings as I try to nail down what plays best in my BD.
How much softer is bhb7 in 16 vs 17? The bhb7 in 17g I played with were good but if the 16s are a ton softer I'll definitely order those instead.
Black magic is another poly I use and the 16 gauge is a TON softer than the 17 in my opinion.
Thanks in advance.
I am interested in this as well. Anyone help out please. Thx!
Right. Also the 16 gauge Kevlar is softer than the 17 gauge VS Gut.
Looks like someone is TRYING TO BE FUNNY. Thinner gauge strings are normally stiffer and made stronger versus the same strings in thicker gauges to compensate for durability. That is not to say a thinner gauge will be more durable. It is adjusted just so it won't break as fast with the same constructed material. The stiffness varies per string that's why I wanted to know this from people who tried BOTH.
who told you that thinner strings are adjusted to be stiffer and hence more durable?
thinner strings are more lively and maybe more "crisp" due to this, but definitely not stiffer. basically it is the same material, so there is no adjustment except for the smaller diameter, which means for instance between 1.20 and 1.25mm a sectional difference of about 20%!
IMHO, playing the BHB7 in 17 is not smart. You will break those things quick. The 16 is pretty much a 17 already. I can't comment on the softness, but I would go 16 for sure due to durability.
In general....If you inverstigate the RSI numbers, 16G have higher stiffness ratings than a 17G of the same string. NOTE.. I stated in general. NOTE: #2... THe RSI numbers do not always translate well to real world results..
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