transforming a Volkl PB 10 Light to PB Mid

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  1. ae11

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    Does any one know if I can add weights and customize a Volkl Power Bridge 10 Light (295 grams) to make it almost identical (in specs and in how it plays) to a Vollk PB Mid.
    The reason I want to do this is that PB10 Light is on sale while PB10 is not. Also it seems like a good idea to start from a lower weight and get to the weight and balance that works better for me.
    So the real question is if I customize the Light version to have the same weight, balance, and swing weight of PB10 Mid, is it gonna play exactly the same? Or are there any other subtle differences?
     
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  2. corners

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    The trick is: what are the specs of the PB10 mid? When this racquet first came out, TW listed the specs as: 343 grams / 31 cm balance / 337 swingweight. A lot of posters here didn't believe, based on the how the frame swung, that the swingweight was actually that high. At the time, the specs published by the United States Racquet Stringer's Association had the swingweight at 311! I've heard of people measuring the swingweight and finding it to be anywhere from 315 to 330. In addition, Volkl's official balance spec, strung, is 32 cm. So where did TW's number of 31 cm come from? TW actually measures the specs, so that figure is real. But why were the sticks they measured balancing at 31 cm instead of Volkl's target of 32 cm? Today, if you look at the PB10 mid page on TW, you'll see that the swingweight figure has been changed to 320.

    What I think is going on is that either Volkl's quality control has been horrible on this stick, with the balance point and swingweight varying wildly, OR early production runs were way off spec and now the stick is showing the specs it was supposed to have in the first place. But the thing is, the TW reviewers adored this racquet at the specs they first reported - 31cm balance (10HL) and 337 swingweight. But can you get a stick like that now?

    So the question becomes, what specs are you trying to match? Do you have a PB10mid that you would like to match the Light too? If you don't, then you may as well pick a swingweight anywhere from 315 to 337 and a balance point anywhere from 31cm to 32cm.

    Once you do that, you can use this tool to help you match the Light to whatever you decide the PB10 mid should be: http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/customization.php

    The history of the PB10 mid was real eye opener for me. This is a top of the line racquet, from a company with a very good reputation, and yet the specs were all over the place. One frame with 315 swingweight and 32cm balance is not even the same racquet as another with 337 swingweight and 31cm balance. They will swing and place totally differently. In a situation like this how can you even trust what someone else says about the PB10mid? They might have a racquet so different form the one you have that their opinions about it don't even relate to your experience.
     
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  3. ae11

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    Thanks for the detailed message. I have heard it from other people too that the PB10 Mids specs are all over the place.

    So to rephrase my question so that it makes more sense: If I already had PB10 Mid, can I buy a PB10 Light (which is much cheaper) and customize it that it plays perfectly identical to my PB10 Mid? Or are there other differences between those two versions that can't be easily adjusted just by adding weights?
     
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  4. TennisCJC

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    The answer is "kinda".

    If you have a PB10 MID and know the weight, balance, swingweight and optionally twist weight; you can use the TW tool at the site below to model customization to get fairly identical specs. I suggest adding weight at 3/9/12 o'clock to get the swingweight and optionally twist weight matched and then adding weight under the replacement grip on the handle pallet to get to the correct balance. Note, the static weight may not be an exact match but I think you will be better off matching SW and balance.

    http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/customizationReverse.php

    Or, use the site below and enter the specs of the pb10 lite as what you have and the pb10 mid specs as what you want and the tool will give you a couple of options on how to add lead.

    http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/customization.php

    But, one is a 98" head and the other is a 93" head so even if you match weight, balance, and swing weight; they will play slightly different. The 98" will have longer strings and more spring fromt the stringbed - maybe string it 2-4 lbs tighter than 93" to get comparable feel.

    Flex on the rackets may also be slightly different and there isn't much you could do about this.

    But, you can get damn close.
     
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  5. Sander001

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    Nice info. Can you speculate why many of the user reviews for the new Organx10 Midsize are saying that it's more sluggish than the PB10?
     
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  6. corners

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    I think it must be that the PB10 mids they got were under spec on swingweight and the X10 mids they got were over spec on swingweight. Otherwise it doesn't make sense, as the X10 mid, on paper, has a lower swingweight and static weight than the PB10 mid. The balance point could also be a factor. Volkl has both the X10 and PB10 mids listed as 32 cm (strung) balance. But if a player had one of the 31 cm PB10mids it would have swing pretty quick, even if the swingweight was a little higher than the X10 mid. Usually the balance point doesn't make a huge difference on effort required to swing, but if one frame is 1cm more headlight it can make a difference, especially for the effort required by the shoulder.

    There's also the mass distribution to consider. If the way a frame is balanced, relative to the swingweight and static weight is just right for you a frame can swing easier, or feel easier, or faster, than another frame that has lower swingweight but is balanced "wrong" for your swingstyle and/or body proportions.
     
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  7. Sander001

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    I see, thanks, was just curious.
    Just got an email from TW about my order for an x10 Midsize. I asked for the heaviest one. Strung with 18gauge string, it comes to 12.3oz[349gr], 8ptHL and 323SW.

    How's that for quality control?
     
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  8. corners

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    I assume that's an 18g poly, so I would say the QC is pretty good. Target balance is 7HL, so you're pretty close there. Target static weight is about 345 grams, so good there. Target swingweight is unknown but yours is pretty close to the average recorded by TW, so that looks good. I think that's going to swing really nice, it would for me anyway - I used to use a racquet with almost exactly that weighting and loved how it swung. If it comes through contact a little faster than you'd like just add 1/2 or 1 gram at 12 o'clock.
     
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  9. DakotaM

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    The PB10 Light is 98 square inches while the PB10 Mid is 93. I have played with both and they are very different. I don't think you'll get the results you want.
     
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  10. Sander001

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    Yes it seems close to my 001 Midsize, and is why I requested the heaviest of the lot.
    I usually put on a leather grip and then an overgrip, I hope that doesn't alter it too much.

    How did you know it was an 18g poly?
     
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  11. corners

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    Those grips will jack up the static weight some, but if that's what you like...

    Anyone using such a Beefy sticknis unlikely tonuse wimpy 18g syngut or multi cuz it'd break too fast. :)
     
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