True confessions of a midsize racquet addict

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  1. LafayetteHitter

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    For years I have been playing midsized racquets. Recently I looked around on the courts often and realized I was the only one on a typical day playing a midsized frame. I had always been convinced that the midsized frame (whichever one I was on at the time) produced my best results and allowed me to enjoy the feel of the ball more so than other larger racquets. Recently I decided that I would make an attempt at harnessing the power of a midplus 98-100" frame. So far I have hit with three different frames in this category. Most recently the Speedport Black with which I have begun to realize that adjusting my strokes for a little more spin and playing a racquet that imparts a bit more spin on the racquet can be a key to winning some key points in a match. It took some effort and honestly I went through some withdrawals thinking I was giving up something that I would miss. There will always be guys out hitting midsize frames but for myself I have realized that a racquet that makes it just a little easier can bring some added joy to the game. I am posting this because I have always been around reading everything I could and honestly I think it is due to this forum that I found my way to some of the best tennis I have ever played.
     
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    Why immediately go from 90 to 98-100? Why not go for 95" :confused:
     
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    Just ended up hitting with the Black by accident after stringing it for my girlfriend actually. I brought it out to hit and was really imprssed with the results so I continued to use it since then. I have 3 brand new Head Prestige Classics plus my frames I have been using. Never thought I would be considering giving them up.
     
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    There is a good home not far from yours waiting for these Prestige Classics, my friend. I'll take good care of them... :)
     
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    Hey Fabrice, I actually just received another new one last week right before deciding I would work on switching to a midplus. Not sure what I am going to end up doing. I'm hitting the ball pretty consistent with some good power with the Speedport though.
     
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    I can play very good tennis with head size ranges from 90 to 110 sq in.

    I currently use a 95 sq in but it isn't the head size but the specific feel the particular racquet has that i like.
    My second best racquet is 108sq in.

    I used to use a 90sq in racquet and I played very good tennis with it as well.

    Look at the players on tour. Kolya's racquet is not a midsize. Most players do not play with a midsize.
     
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    Somewhat similar situation here.

    I've been using the LM Prestige Mid with natural gut for some time, but became frustrated with hitting so many hard groundstokes long. I decided to try a spin-friendly racquet:

    Bought an AeroPro Drive Cortex, std. length. Strung it with ALU Power Rough 16 in the mains and VS natural gut 17 in the crosses, both at 55#. So far, it's been pretty nice. It felt way too light, so I put 3 wraps of lead tape around the lower handle flare, put a TournaGrip II on, and have been enjoying it so far. It's not nearly as harsh as I thought it'd be. Maybe the cortex works.

    And, the somewhat stiff and muted feel is actually quite controllable. My drop and chop shots are better because of all the bite, and my groundstrokes are somewhat better because of the spin.

    Biggest surprise was the serving. More spin and a higher percentage going in.

    Bee
     
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    LafayetteHitter, I sent you a message asking about the Prestiges you have. very interested if you would considering selling one.
     
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    from the mid going to speedport, don't you find a big difference in "feel"...?
    i once own o3 tourMP, and have no "feel" compare to my dnx-10 mid....
     
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    new PC go for about $250 now if that makes your decision easier. sure made mine an easy one
     
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  11. Bhagi Katbamna

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    Don't worry. You aren't any less of a man because you don't use a Wilson PS 85 or a Head Prestige Classic. Play with the racket that lets you play the best.
     
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    I liked playing with Oversize, but I recently started playing with Mid+. I'm still 50/50 on which one produces more consistency and better shots, it seems my OS will generate more power, where as the Mid+ will spin the ball like crazy. Then again, it could just be the string/racquet I'm using.
     
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  13. my range for racquets is 90-107, best with racquets with 95-100. i found that when i switch to larger racquets, the first week playin with them is a joy. but after that, i always come back cuz i miss the control
     
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  14. bruinduke

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    I just had the opposite revelation. Grew up playing with the POG mid, and then when I took up the game again, I switched to the C10 pro thinking I needed a little more firepower. Just never felt right playing the mid plus, so after stopping playing again I went to iPrestige mid when I started up for the 2nd time. Well after another couple years off I started playing again and demoing all the mid plus racquets that I could find. After trying out a few of the new generation of larger frames, I settled on the K90.

    #1 reason going back to mid was that the gains I made in my backhand with the larger heads was offset by losing my biggest asset, my forehand. Just didn't have confidence to swing out with the 95+ head sizes.
     
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    I'm giving Mid+ one last try and so I think I'll be leaving behind my Mids. The Yonex RDti80 is 1 sweet frame; low power, great control and spin, and very stable. And 315 stock SW.
    I've strung her up with sppp1.18 63/62 and put on the fabulous TW pleather grip.

    Can't wait to try her again in this new skin!

    Also, gonna try my glorious PS85(not the 6.0!) that's been strung up with Kirschbaum Competition 1.2mm. Can't wait to smack a forehand or hit a nasty-ass slice and get to net baby!
     
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    opposite, started with Head OS (115"), moved to 98" PD, and now PS 95". never liked the OS, PD was so-so, PS95 just gr8.
     
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    That's precisely it - it's not the head size that matters most, it's the make up of the frame (weight, balance, flex, ingredients, etc.) that results in good or not so good tennis.

    Way too much emphasis is put on head size. Given the same variables (weight, balance, flex, ingredients, strings, tension, etc.), 99% of people will hit no better and no worse with a 90 sq. in. frame than with a 98 sq. in. frame.
     
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  18. esm

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    yes, thats true - the O3 Tour MP have no feel.
    I had a hit with the FXP Prestige MP last night for the very first time, what a reaquet, it felt totally different to the O3 Tour MP. i sure it'd only get better from now on.
    i think i have found a new toy for me.
     
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    I think that beam width, weight distribution, flex and so on have greater impact on your game... you can find very good Midplus racquets and crappy Mids... Mids do look better though...

    I couldn't find a Midplus racquet perfect for me... I've hit with the MW 200G 90 and fell in love with it, my M-Fil 200s can't compare to this piece of art...
     
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    For now I am keeping the Prestige that I have left since I do enjoy the feel these so much. I recently listed a couple but they are no longer available. I had a few people message me asking but i'm keeping what is remaining just in case I end up back on a mid at some point I won't have to search for the Prestige frames again.
     
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    I also found the O3 Tour to lack in the feel dept. Midsize frames are very predictable in my opinion as far as the whole spectrum of midsize frames go. Midplus are very different, there are only a handful of decent feeling frames out of a large assortment of them. Any larger than 100" and I find the pocketing feel goes away completely. I'm sure there are a few frames out there over 100" that have some pocketing feel to the ball but I think there a very few.
     
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    If I had to choose a Midplus frame at this point I would only consider Wilson nBlade, very flexible, 18x20 pattern but definetly to light... I think if racquet companies went that way, I mean flexible, heavier thin beam frames some mid users actually could switch... in theory Fischer makes frames somewhat similar but somethings missing e.g. some people don't find the low spec sheet flex as low as it should be, I've read somewhere on this forum that the flex is more like 66!
     
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  23. Peter Szucs

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    Before i thought that an intermediate player like me (4.0-4.5) will always play more efficiently with 95inch plus frames bc they will give you more consistency and margin for error. Now i think that this is not true. One will play better with a frame size that is better suited for his/her strokes and game style. Hard hitters, strong players and long swing type players will in general prefer a mid over anything bigger since they will appreciate the amount of control they get without suffering from lack of power while short swingers or weaker individuals will like the bigger headsize better. In one word a midsize frame is not something to avoid by default for anyone. imo.
     
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    MPs are more powerful than mids. I hit the ball hard; to keep the ball in with MPs I have to use spin, spin, spin. I don't like my opponent knowing how I'll strike the ball.
     
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    Exactly, dead on good post.

    When I started tennis again I had an uncontrollable urge to smack everyball as hard as I could. Couldn't control many racquets....

    So many years later I think I've settled down a bit and will try a Mid+ once more.
     
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  26. bad_call

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    if i could find a MP that works for my topspin, slice, flat 1HBH, i'd jump on it. i posted a thread for the 1HFH and 1HBH players to post their racquet. maybe some worthy MPs will appear for us Mid die hards. :)
     
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    For me there's very little difference between a 90 and a 95 sq racket.

    More important is the thickness of the frame.
    I prefer to play with a beam thickness of no more than 20mm.

    Just so much more maneuverable with a thinner frame.

    My fav racket is a Dunlop Revelation - 18mm and 95sq.
     
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  28. bad_call

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    if you hit with a 1HBH, how is the topspin with this one?
     
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    I do have a 1HBH - no problem with heavy top spin although the Dunlop Revelation Classic is a 16x20.
     
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    thanks for the reply. btw - i haven't had any problem with spin on my 18x20 racquet. however all racquets 18x20 are not equal.
     
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  31. 0d1n

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    bad_call - I'm currently giving the MSpeed Pro 1 SL's an extended go coming from the DNX 10 Mid which I used for more than a year. Don't have problems with BH topspin with either of them...they are both great rackets.
    My BH seems more consistent with the MSpeeds, as it's easier to get around and not get caught hitting late, but I can hurt the ball (and the opponent) more with the DNX...it's all about trade offs in life :(.
     
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    LafayetteHitter,

    Good for you. Tennis is about having fun and enjoying your time on the court.

    -k-
     
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    The prestige and ps 85 can still work today! It's the k90 and rds crap that makes you feel like an idiot out there. You take 100% graphite or graphite-kevlar and you can't go wrong. Besides, is there really that much of a difference between the headsizes of a mid and midplus?
     
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    funny you mention that. i was just looking at the 85 and thinking about giving it a go again. as i recall, the sweetspot is smallish and my body position had to be there for a good hit.
     
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    I am not a great player but I spent quite a few yrs with the ps 85 and loved it. If you like to hit flat and hit out at every ball, this one's for you. As for the sweetspot being small, that's all a function of strings and lead.
     
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  36. bad_call

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    i spent a few years with the ps 85 as well. got pretty good at hitting with it. however i got older and the 1HBH topspin started to suffer. glad i found the mid i have now...cause it's way easier.
     
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    since i use the dnx-10 mid, i get hooked to the "feel", the flex , the power ..
    however after 2 hrs of play, i started to find the mid is too demanding. i was looking for "less demanding" racquets since then, had tried m-fil300, apd with cortex, dnx-10MP 295g.....with no success..
    came back to dnx-10 mid, replaced the leather with original grip, reduced the head tape, takes out the vibration dampener and finally able to reduce the weight from 372g to 348-354g.
    now i can play with the mid for long hours w/o finding it too demanding...
    and next week will try to use 18g string to makes the weight even lower than the current one....
    i will stay on my mid as long as i can, as i just cannot find the better feel racquets than the one i had....
     
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  38. kinsella

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    I have long loved mids because I just like the way it feels when you hit the ball, especially serving. I never had any problem finding the sweet spot, least of all on my C10 PTs. Time waits for no one, however, and I finally had to admit at 56 that I needed more pop. It was a coincidence that the Bab Pure Storm Tour is 98". It does not seem to have a bigger sweet spot (maybe smaller), but it gets a little more power out of the 98" head and slightly stiffer frame. I tried it based on specs and bought it based on results. It still does not hit as sweet as my mids, but my return game improved drastically, so I had to move on.
     
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    You should give Fischer FT Pro #1 (black and red 300g unstrung) a try.

    MG Radical feels similar to that fischer, but with weight distribution a little less polarized and a more closed string pattern.

    Both blow nBlade out of the water imo
     
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  40. quest01

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    Exactly i dont play with a racket just because Federer uses it or try to impress others into thinking that i may be good because im using a mid. I use whatever racket i play my best with and that certainly isnt a mid. Ive played with a few mids before but i felt my game wasnt going anywhere except downhill.
     
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    Finally someone has spoken the truth.

    but stubborn people are still out there and even argue more stubbornly.
     
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  42. sargeinaz

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    I would venture to say thats the truth with 80 percent of people who use mids.
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  43. Keifers

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    It's good to know your limitations. ;) :D
     
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    I would venture to say that the latter statement is complete BS.
    It's people like you who give people the ridiculous idea that mids are virtually impossible to play with, and are definitely a grave handicap.

    I always find it amusing when I read a post from a player who hit with an old standard size frame for the first time ever, and hit beautifully with it. They are always amazed that they didn't frame every shot, because people like you have led them to fear the midsize (or smaller) frame, and to believe that any racquet smaller than 95 sq. in. is virtually impossible to hit with.
    I like posts like that because it shows that the 'theory' that smaller racquets are virtually impossible to play with is utter BS.

    It's so easy to blame the smaller headsize... but the reality is that if a mid doesn't work for someone, it's almost always due to other factors (weight, balance, flex, etc.) that don't correspond with the person's game.

    As I stated earlier, all variables being equal, very, very few people would play differently with a 90 sq. in. frame than with a 95 or 98 sq. in. frame.
     
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  45. BreakPoint

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    But the fact of the matter is, even with all else being equal, the racquet with the larger head will give you more power and more spin just due to the larger stringbed. (Greater trampoline effect and more open string pattern.) And this is a Mid user speaking.
     
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  46. Bhagi Katbamna

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    I started playing during the wood era. Then through the mid-size phase. I skipped the ceramic, boron, magnesium etc..phase. Played with a moderate wide-body. Believe me, I play much better with the PS 95 than I ever played with a midsize. I tried a Fischer PT 100 and I get much more spin with about the same velocity. And, my arm gets less tired.
     
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    I agree with many of the posters here. I believe that there is tons of players out there who can control the ball well with their OS racquets. So I dont really think OS really has 'less control', it just has more power relative to a smaller frame. So in the end maybe it all boils down to whose hands the racquet is in.

    I don't deny that MID takes a LOT more talent (hitting dead center of racquet face or close to produce hits) to play with, but I still stand that OS in the right hand of the right user will be able to perform no less than a mid user.
     
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  48. Bhagi Katbamna

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    OS having less control would be news to Andre Agassi.
     
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    I refuse to quote Andre Agassi when arguing about OS racquets because he is one example of a world class player who uses OS amongst the ocean of pros out there. It's not very convincing--it could be interpret as to be able to get that good with OS is extraordinary since he is the only one to achieve that much with OS.
     
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    Thank you. I think duece got a little too upset, especially since hes incorrect, but whatever use what you like. I could care less what the next man uses, its just amusing to see people use 90 inch frames or PS85s who would play better using a 95 or 98 inch frame and probably enjoy the game more because of it.
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