True serve and volley player in top 3 again?

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  1. desilvam

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    Will we see a true serve and volley player in the top 3 , within the next 10 years? i.e.

    someone who is a volleying genius
    and
    who comes in on ~105-115 mph serves
    and
    sometimes comes in on 2nd serves at 80-90 mph.
    and
    chips and charges etc on opponents 2nd serves
    and
    takes every first chance in a baseline rally to charge the net.

    Can a player like this make it into the top 2-3 with todays baseline power and topspin?
     
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  2. iamke55

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    Inferior strategies and technique die out with time as the level of the play increases. It happened to continental ground strokes and moonballing. This is no different.
     
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  3. daddy

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  4. AznHylite

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    Now that Henman is gone, I don't see any way that there could be a new S&V player in the Top 3. Perhaps in the Top 10-25, but probably never in the Top 3 ever again. However, there's no reason not to be hopeful, as I would love to see an S&V player (I play this way) play well!
     
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  5. daddy

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    I dont see it coming soon.
     
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  6. krchawaii

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    I have to agree,
    I don't see one anytime soon.
    Now that we have players like Novak and Nadal who are both young...the chances are slim to none...

    Though I would love to see S&V player for I feel those players are very exciting to watch!!
     
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  7. 2 Cent

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    first of all, today's baseline power and topspin ain't much different at all from 10 years ago. so don't buy into that b.s. that's not the reason why players don't come to net anymore.

    the real reason why we don't see volleyers anymore is because nobody taught them that style when they were growing up. all they were taught was baseline. it's easier to teach Agassi's style than Sampras' style.

    and to answer your question.... i don't know if we'll see a true serve and volleyer anytime soon. but i hope we do, because we need some variety in tennis. it takes a very athletic person to be a serve and volleyer.
    much respect to Sampras, Rafter, and Edberg.
     
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  8. Mad iX

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    Federer could possibly be Top 3 if he still played a S&V style like he used to.
    Wouldn't be a GOAT candidate though, which shows how much tougher it is nowadays.
    I doubt we'll see a S&V player win Wimbledon for a very long time.
     
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  9. scotus

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    Radek Stepanek is your best hope right now.
     
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  10. DNShade

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    Just wait...someone will come along and do it. It's totally possible - and it will happen - probably much faster then any of us think. Somewhere there is some kid who is watching Mac, Edberg and Sampras vids on youtube...Then everyone will be doing it and there'll be threads on here about where are the true baseliners...
     
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  11. mdhubert

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    Man, I do that ! But wait... I'm 33 ! So it's not me unfortunately...
     
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  12. urban

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    I think, the lack of important indoor carpet tournaments has to do with the downfall of serve and volley, along with the influcence of the Bollettieri school. With the decrease of the grass circuit, Becker, Edberg, Sampras or Stich could at least hone their s and v skills on fast indoor courts.
     
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  13. Dilettante

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  14. caulcano

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    There are still S&Vers out there but they don't have tournaments that allow a S&V game anymore.

    If Wimbledon reverted back to a S&V surface, then I'd like see Sampras come out of retirement. :D
     
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  15. rwn

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    Tennis at the top level is survival of the fittest. There are no serve and volleyers anymore because it doesn't work. It's that simple.
     
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  16. johnkidd

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    10-15 years people complained because all tennis was was big serves then a volley isf the ball came back. It's cyclical. I think the best hope for tennis to get S&V back would be for John Isner to keep playing well because if he does kids out there will start emulating him.

    I also think if Fed made the commitment to come in more he would be tougher to beat then he already is.
     
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  17. Sliceboy2

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    I don't see S and V players make it to the top. Fast courts made it easier to serve aces than charging to the net on every serve which is tiring.
     
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  18. mdhubert

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    ... and grow up a lot !
     
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  19. johnkidd

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    Fast courts make it easier to serve and volley. The problem is they are making the courts slower as a knee jerk reaction to the bigger serves of the 90's (Becker, Sampras, Goran, Stich, Krajicek etc.) Now we have guys who have learned to bang from the baseline since the it is more advantageous too, and in the new string technology which makes it easier to take bigger cuts at the ball with greater control and you have today's men's game.

    Personally I think it's easier to serve and volley fitness wise because you shorten the points.
     
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  20. Andres

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    And chasing balls on the baseline for 4 hours is not... :roll:
     
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  21. caulcano

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    I doubt that. Cause that would mean Federer is making life difficult for himself by not coming to the net and giving the 'rest of the field' a better chance. Hmmm.
     
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  22. superstition

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    The current racquets, strings, and slow high bouncing hard courts make serve and volley unviable.

    It is not an "inferior strategy" inherently, as two posters asserted. Instead, players have adapted to the current equipment and courts, conditions that favor topspin from the baseline and don't favor the continental grip and volleying.

    If there is to be a return to serve and volley viability, the racquets need to be shrunk and made less stiff, and the courts need to be faster and lower bouncing. The complaints about too many aces can be addressed by reducing racquet stiffness and head size. During the Goran/Stich/Sampras era, racquets were already too powerful, making aces too easy to produce.

    I feel tennis was at its best when all three strategies (serve/volley, all-court, baselining) were equally viable. Now, tennis has lost diversity. In the past, some players dominated from the baseline while others dominated from the net. Some players used continental grips and others used semi-western grips.
     
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  23. Eviscerator

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    To compare S&V with grip changes or moonballing is not a good comparison. It certainly has nothing to do with the "level of play increasing". The S&V style of play will come back if they start speeding up the game again. However the slower the balls & surface, the less likely it will be.
    A true S&V takes longer to develop, so many parents/coaches are reluctant to have children adopt it. In today's mentality, it is unlikely to return, but if the powers that be return the speed to tennis, you can bet S&V will increase.
     
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  24. johnkidd

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    It's been said Fed likes to beat people playing their style. Many analyst (and some experts on this board LOL) have said that for Fed to beat Nadal on clay he needs to attack more instead of trying to outgrind Rafa.
     
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  25. ClayisFun

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    Serve and volley tennis is frustrating for young kids. You have to accept that serve and volley is high risk high reward for it to work. Too many players don't develop the right attitude. As tennis players get taller and more athletic serve and volley will come back.
     
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  26. BeHappy

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    if mahut can't di it, no one can, and I mean no one, they guy is like a cross between becker and edberg
     
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  27. Shaolin

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    Damn youre harsh dude!! Anyway, I think s&v will always be a valid strategy on first serve for most surfaces. If you hit a decent first serve it pays off to come in on it. Chances are the return will be a defensive one which, if you dont completely suck at volleying, will be easy to put away.

    We wont ever see another player s&ving on 2nd serves with any longterm success however. Not unless theres some kind of racquet change or players liike DavyD are forced to play with ankle weights on...
     
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  28. zagor

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    Conditions today favor baseliners,if they speed up surfaces you'll see more serve and volleying,even Fed sad he would serve and volley more if the conditions were different
     
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  29. fgzhu88

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    why should they come in on such slow serves, why should any S&V player serve that slow in the first place???????????

    an ideal S&V today would have to serve accurately (placement), precisely (reproducible) and with resonable pace/spin.

    But yeah, I do wish to see a Serve&Volleyer with good serves and volleys. Federer is one of the closest but his serves aren't consistent enough.
     
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  30. hoosierbr

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    It goes in cycles. I think serve-and-volley players will be at a disadvantage regardless of the speed of surface b/c of the new polyester and multi strings, like Luxilon, that make passing shots a lot easier. Also the service return has improved.

    S&V will have to learn to adapt and accept that passing shots will be easier to come by which means less margin for error on volleys. It'd take someone will remarkably fly net skills like Edberg or Rafter to get into the Top 3. Is it possible? Yes.

    I also think that players and fans have started to grumble about the slowness of all the courts and an effort will be made in the future to quicken them up, less sand underneath the hard courts, etc. When that happens it will help the attacking players.
     
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  31. Elyod Nanoc

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    LOL to that
    Well having a serve and volley player again would be nice, but I want more than just one to rise. I also want counter punch players and all-round players to rise too. Simply all the playing styles.:)

    but of course, Federer will wipe them all.;)
     
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  32. coloskier

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    Until they change the surfaces back to the way they used to be, I don't see it happening any time soon either. Taylor Dent was probably the last true S&V player to reach the top 20 besides Henman. Isner and Querrey could be the next. But I don't think any of them will reach the top 3 until they change Wimbledon back to the old grass.
     
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