Tsonga said goodbye to RPM Blast!

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  1. Buckethead

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    He is using something different,probably some Luxilon string.
    I always knew just based on looking Nadal playing that RPM Blast wasn't a good string for most people,it's not even the top spin string.RPM Blast is BS.
     
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  2. Rockitdog

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    According to some- RPM Blast is Pro Hurrican Tour dyed black.
     
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  3. philosoraptor

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    didn't someone on this board say that the pros like nadal used a different rpm blast than the retail version (which sucks btw) but yeah it would explain why so many pros switched to the string
     
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    Overhyped, overpriced, doesn't mean it is good.
     
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  5. racquetfreak

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    all one has to do is look at it - it is clearly different from pht in terms of physical appearance/texture, looks more like msv focus hex.
     
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  6. Doubles

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    Just with a little more feel, and a lot less spin producing capability...
     
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  7. star 5 15

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    I wouldn't be surprised if he does. I tried the Babolat R200C(prototype revenge). I got a set from the Easter Bowl. I loved that stuff. It was made in France. Then I got a reel of Revenge in my Babolat package and it was definately and different string. This stuff was garbage. Something I did notice was it was a slightly different color as well as it was made in Taiwan. I have tried the RPM Blast and it appears to be made in france though.

    Edit: PS RPM Blast is about the worst string I've ever played with. I didn't get to try any of that prototype stuff.
     
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    Exactly.
    I really did not like it when I tried it.
     
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  10. decades

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    there is a good chance FED will be RPM blasted off the court with this string in the final. If he gets there.
     
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  11. Mr_Shiver

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    You probably haven't played Duralast then. It almost instantly loses tension and tears you're arm off. I know Nadal is a great any string but why he used it for so long is beyond me. I can why Tsonga dumped RPM Blast, he hits throuh the court a bit flatter (but probably still crazy spin compared to us).
     
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  12. audioaffliction

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    Just curious what you didn't like about it? I've had a set in one of my sticks for a couple of weeks and it's not bad to me. Seems like a nice soft poly that puts out a decent amount of spin. My other regular strings are either Ashaway Kevlar or Lux ALU Fluoro (both in hybrids with Gosen Sheep.)
     
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  13. baseline_monster

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    With all due respect to everyone is calling the string, maybe the bottom line is that your just not good enough to play with it or dont play in that style of play. Babolat say it allows you to take a much bigger cut on the ball resulting in more spin and control, for this you need to have a big swing and constantly strike the ball clean. John McEnroe was on the BBC and he was saying he had a try of it in his Dunlops in Liverpool and that its "new school". Stressed how it suits aggressive players that take huge cuts at the ball. Note that he did not slate the string, he said that its not for him ass he does not play in that style. Guys, how about everynow and again its not the string, its you!
     
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  14. zapvor

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    disagree. i have strung both and they feel different
     
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  17. audioaffliction

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    Yes it goes through a big tension drop initially but then plateaus. This is pretty common for most polys. I usually string my crosses two pounds higher than the mains to help with this.
     
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    On a side note.... has anyone ever figured out if he's using APD with Cortex or a PJ. The pics above look like he's playing actual cortex (weather GT or not is not known).
     
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  19. gino

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    Interesting how all RPM users are fed up with the string. Even though they get fresh string jobs endlessly.

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  20. Hidious

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    Ever heard of grass season? Why would you need a "RPM Blast" on grass..?
     
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    I've heard that the whole RPM thing is more hype than anything else. It is a marketing coup of sorts.

    A buddy of mine and I were hitting Friday. He had installed RPM in his Babolat Aero Pure Drive at 68. He, without prompting, said he hated it and it was quite possible the worst string he's used.

    I asked him what his normal string was and he said Ashway Liberty (reel = $70).

    His other frames were string with Ashway. He said he'd let his son have the balance of the RPM Blast. I had to get a dig in and ask "Yeah, it hurts to see $17 fly out the window, doesn't it?"
     
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  22. LPShanet

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    It isn't. But it is very similar. The main difference, aside from slight differences in elasticity and stiffness, is the fact that it has a much lower coefficient of friction than PHT (and most other polys), which allows the string to move more during the strike.
     
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  23. LPShanet

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    What was said is that Babolat created various versions during development, which were given to their pros to playtest. Not everyone liked the same version, and several of them were known to be playing with different ones. However, it isn't clear yet which pros are using which versions, or whether Nadal is using the retail version or one of the others (or even whether he's switched among the various versions at any point).
     
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  24. Pioneer

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    Haha this made me laugh. The ball stays on the stringbed for 3 milliseconds. So Babolat wants us to believe that during those 3 ms the ball touches the strings, they move around, the ball starts sinks into the stringbed and gets ultra topspin, after which it is catapulted towards the opposite court. Weird.
     
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  25. Have you ever seen slow mo videos of balls being hit with poly? :p

    Also, I have to agree with the guy saying most people probably aren't good enough to use it. I tried the test string TW supplied (I imagine it was RPM Blast), and I thought it was superb in my APD GT. You could hit the ball VERY hard and keep it in, and the feel was soft. I get a kick out of people saying Babolat racquets, or this and that string are terrible blah blah, yet the SAME equipment is used to great effect by the best players in the world. Yeah it's just not good enough for us weekend hackers. :rolleyes:
     
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  26. Bhagi Katbamna

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    Lol. Yeah those pros aren't real players because they aren't using midsize rackets.
     
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  27. TennezSport

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    Spot on..........

    This is spot on as silicone was added to the string to soften the string and reduce the CoF. When we tested this string on several occasions the string performed great for approx 4hrs and then quickly lost tension in a full string bed. It performed a bit better when hybrided with a soft quality multi like X1BP. We also noticed that Nadal has resorted to changing racquets every 7 and 9 games (which he never did before). We believe this is because of the tension loss. Both Roddick and Tsonga have gone back to their old string; in Tsonga's case that would be Lux BBAlu Rough.

    Cheers, TennezSport :cool:
     
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  28. supertopspin

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    i think he changed because he doesn't want too much spin since the racquet practically already does enough spin...? and i think this string was meant for nadal.
     
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    You'd be surprised what happens when you hit the ball. So many elements of physics occur when you hit the ball. The more you understand the physics of tennis, the better off you'll be. If you understand how coefficients of friction work, how velocity and acceleration work, how Bernoulli's Principle works, you would understand the game so much better.

    Why do you think flat tennis balls cannot be hit as hard as newer balls? Flat balls have increased impact times with the string bed. The increased impact time reduces the effect that the force of a tennis racquet has on the ball. So no matter how hard you hit the ball, your maximum velocity will always be decreased the longer you use tennis balls. The same applies to the force the ground imparts on a tennis ball. The collision time is increased, reducing the effect the tennis ball has on the ground, thus reducing the return effect from the ground, resulting in lower bounces and shorter bounces.

    Like I said, if you learn the physics of the game, you'd have a better understanding of how to manipulate these factors in your favor. It's one thing to know something works. It's another to know HOW something works.

    @RogerRacket111: Yes, technique is a leading contributor to spin, but strings are really just accessories. Strings are tools that you can use to either add to a weapon of yours or compensate for a weakness. Does Nadal generate more spin using RPMs than if he were using Duralast? Yes. That's indisputable. Would he still generate massive spin without the RPMs? Of course, but the RPMs certainly add a lot more rotations to his shots.
     
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  30. RogerRacket111

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    Its funny that people think Nadal needs RPM to get more spin. He could probably generate spin using frying pan. It's his technique not the string that's generating so much spin.
     
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    Nicely done sir.....

    A pleasure to read, nicely done.

    Cheers, TennezSport :cool:
     
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    It's not.......

    It's not that Rafa needs RPM to generate spin, he can generate his own as you state. However, as Fallout states this string was designed (by adding silicone) to lower the CoF making the string snap back into faster in order to generate more spin; this all happens in approx 4-9mS. Tests show that the string does work in generating more spin for about 4hrs, loses masive tension and then dies.

    Cheers, TennezSport :cool:
     
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  33. RogerRacket111

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    I got me a RPM out of curiosity to try out myself. The packaging so fancy which makes me suspicious that its all hype. Will try stringing it if it helps me will update.
     
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  34. LPShanet

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    Exactly right...they were specifically aiming for a lower CoF when they made the string. It may not be for everyone, but it does have specific properties that some will like. Like you, I found that it goes dead quite quickly after a fairly brief period of being at its best. The tension drop seemed to me to also be accompanied by a loss of elasticity, though I don't have numbers on that. A hybrid with a multi might help mitigate that. One correction, though: Nadal had already started switching his racquet on the ball changes (after the 7th game and every 9 thereafter) before he started using RPM. So while it certainly makes sense in light of RPMs qualities, it's probably not accurate to say he started doing it specifically because of RPM Blast.
     
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  35. thetennisman12345

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    ...Yes, and actually the only place to buy Duralast Tour is on the e Bay, it's the real thing baby! Nadal style!
     
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    That's frivolous. Most of the guys here have tried more strings than you can count, when they say it's not a good string, they're basing it on an objective standpoint. There are many strings designed for topspin and control, and if it was a good string for it's catagory, then no one would complain. Simple as that.

    Though I'm a proponent against RPMB, you simply can't ignore the engineering. The people who design these strings know WAY more physics than you, and 3ms is plenty of time for the strings to move. Take a basic physics class, and you still won't fathom how much math it takes to determine what can give more topspin. Before you belittle anything, do your research.
     
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  37. THESEXPISTOL

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    I think that the problem with RPM Blast is that it's a good string not something from out of this world. Babolat users and specially the ones with APDs love stiff strings because the lightness of the racquet can be compensated with a stiffer/firmer/solid feel, and this is not happening with RPM Blast because it's a different concept of poly than for instance PHT or ALU which are a lot more stiff and harsh.

    The problem is not the string.. It's the consumer that guided by all the hype generated buys a string that isn't the best choice for him and for his game.
     
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  38. LPShanet

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    It's no longer the "real thing" as Nadal is no longer using it (although he certainly did for many years). Then again, it was never a particularly "advanced" string in terms of technology.
     
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  39. Fedace

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    What is the Reason for the switch for tsonga ??? Why did he not like it anymore?? does anyone know ?
     
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  40. davidl7

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    Davydenko is using Duralast now. Strange switch, as he was playing so good with Polystar.
     
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  41. Wilander

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    Im loving a fresh strung RPM Blast. I can generate incredible heavy spin.
    I can understand why this string has given rafas career a new boost.
     
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  42. Fedace

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    Love Fresh strung too at 55-56 lbs. but as hours go on, it loses control.
     
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  43. Wilander

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    yes, loses control and spin-potential very soon.
     
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  44. Fedace

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    so you have to cut it out and re-string it. it is kind of expensive.
     
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  45. nguyen320

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    Definately, RPM blast is a great string in my opinion. I can't find anything that is similar I think it gives you power plus spin. It's great
     
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  46. saigonbond

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    Just my 2 cents...
    You guys should check out Genesis Black Magic ($7.90/set) and Spin X $9.90/set). My group of 6 pros just finished playtesting them and they were impressive. Softer with better ball pocketing and much better tension maintenance than RPMB. In our opinion, the performance/price ratio blows RPMB away.

    Cheers!
     
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    Tell them to test the Signum pro Tornado or MSV Heptatwist,then they will change right away to either one.These 2 are the best and last long as well.
     
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  48. saigonbond

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    Most of us enjoyed playing with the Pro Tornado, as its a good string. However, it plays much "stiffer" and its tension maintenance is less than the both Black Magic & Spin X. If you like Signum, we rated the Plasma (1.23) and Hyperion (1.24) a bit higher than Tornado.

    Our testing shows that the Focus Hex has better tension maintenance and better durability than the Hepta and equaled its spin potential.

    Pro Tornado and Hepta are good strings, but the performance-to-price ratio of the Black Magic ($7.90/$84.90), Spin X ($9.90/$99.90), and Focus Hex ($7.90/$76.90) is nearly unmatched.
     
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    So, you have a team to test strings?
    I will start testing SPinX this weekend.Black Magic is not for me,I only use profiled strings,with the exception of Weiss canon Match Power.but I do think MSV(the 2 of them) are some of the best.I am currently with Plasma hextreme 1.30 as well,and that one has the best tension maintenance I have seen,unmatched,but is somewhat stiff,but a great match for my racket.
     
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  50. mrmo1115

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    I said goodbye to RPM the first tournament I tried with it. Sadly, in hindsight, I was very bad in my judgment to use a fairly unfamiliar string in a tournament, that now I view as a very big opportunity wasted
     
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