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  1. LeeD

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    Most certainly a subject of debate.
    Most would say TahoeDonner rates the worst.
    Squaw still Tahoes best ski mountain, the steepest with the most moguls, and it's going downhill and credibility lately with all the powderpuff runs where expert runs used to be.
    Alpine in there, much shorter runs, but right there and also a better boarding mountain.
    Heavenly IS, if you hit top of Nevada side bright and early. Motts and Killebrew help raise the image of a bunny groomed slope. Used to love racing the chair down the Face and Gunbarrel, but that was a long time ago.
    Kirkwood is the well discovered undercover mountain. Really, think about it, only TWO lifts worth hoot, but plenty of hikein take hours off your ticket riding.
    Sierra is sentimental favorite for me, but lots pass on by to bigger things. It's tight, with lots of tree runs, and plenty of chutes and gullies if you know the RGarden and E slopes OOB's.
    Hate to say it. I LOVE DonnerSkiRanch. Where it all started, still very remedial in amenities, but what a great small mountain. Lots of pro days there, wagon trains and slalom gates.
    Bowl...some real hard core lovers there. Kinda cool, with the separate mountain and that's where you start your drop down to oleHighway40 and the Lake. Some say the chutes on a windless post storm heaven on earth.
    I rate Homewood and Rose very similar. Great on pow days, worthless if it's been dry for a week.
    Boreal.....true LA boarding up here in Tahoe. But when the Pipe is ripe, it ranks primo of all the resorts.
    Oh, the STAR....what a waste in the old days, but the two new lifts facing N are fine, albeit short, and it's carver heaven for skis and snowboards with all the blue groomies. Plenty of freshies even days post storm, the trees opening to some nice stashes, and long pow boards advised to find them.
     
  2. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Kirkwood is the best mountain by far. That is, if you're willing to take a detour to get there.

    And on stormy days, forget it, that 88 (or is it 89?) road is a death trap.
     
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    Yeah, I loose the sense of humor right away, when someone is talking about straightlining the hill while being irritated by people below him. Not understanding the type of the turn/technique that he performs, just seals the picture.
     
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    Yep, I don't understand the exact turns/techniques that I perform, being self taught and able to carve my way down blacks. It's not like I'm competing in this sport, it's just a hobby.

    Do I care? No. Do I have fun? Yes. But I'll let your little ego continue to run this show since proper "turns/techniques" are so important to you. So you have fun and continue to make yourself feel better, ok? Looks like you need it.
     
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    Have fun, do not hit people below you. Even when they turn ahead of you.
    Book a carving lesson with a reputable instructor, at least you'll find out the difference ;)
     
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    I was told I'd be wasting their time as I already carve. Book a conversation lesson with a reputable instructor, at least you'll find out how to talk to people and hold a conversation?
     
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    I have over 10 confirmed Kirkwood fanatics buds and ettes, all with season passes.
    Every time I go there, it's just ....OK.....
    Chair 6 is OK. Chair 11 is pretty good, unless it's icy. Backside, and Eside.
    Chair 4 is remedial fun, the long hike up to the right is good stuff, but the walk out and traverse sucks. I've hiked to the TOP at least 20 times.
    Give me ScottsChute, 75, Top of the Slot, Horsetrails, SunBowl, or the OLD RedDog any day.
    True carving is a specialized technique, one that takes superior conditioning and thigh strength, smooth semi step terrain, and sort "old guy" mentality.
    Before you get on my case, I AM an old guy, and rode with MikeJacoby/MarkFawcett a handful of days around Tahoe, especially race training practice at the N run off the tall chair at DonnerSkiRanch.
    VERY few rec skiers/boarders can carve, even after they've ridden 300 days or more. And the specialized boards/boots needed are not something the REC boarder would procure.
    As for CARVING skiers, every skier SAYS they carve. Less than 5% actually do it on a run.
     
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    Can't waste an instructors time - it's their job, they get paid for it.
    Care to post a video link to your "carving"?

    As for the conversation, it seems that we are having one, indespite of disagreeing...
     
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    I agree with your statements about percentages.
    I do not agree about specialised technique/gear. Yes, for very high performance, but not in general.
    At the CASI snow school progression, we intoduce the carving at intermediate level. At least, to the students willing to pursue it...

    Fawcett is a really nice guy, had the pleasure of talking to him few times, when he brought the Canadian Alpine team to Cypress for trainings, prior to the Olympics. I never had pleasure of meeting Jacoby...

    He, he, I like the "old guy" disclaimer :) I'm not a spring chicken either :D
     
  10. Say Chi Sin Lo

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    Can your ego get any bigger? You make it sound like your approval matters. I hope I didn't ruin your day by saying I don't care.

    I can make it down blacks in a timely manner, avoid people (that's right, I can actually avoid people, I just prefer not to when they don't know their limits and ruin my run), and not fall. You can use your imagination to fill in the rest.
     
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    Yeah, when you get Mark and Mike together with beers, it's Mutt and Jeff time. I can sit for hours barely saying anything, as the stories flow fast and furious, coming from totally different sides.
    It shows in their riding too. Technical or pure brute.
    As for gear, I've SEEN softboot/freestyler's carve 1" lines, but they and I set the bindings closer together and ride bunny slopes. Can't truly carve freestyle gear on steeps. Need the hardboot and raceboard with +140cm edges to really carve the moderate steepness terrain.
    Yeah skiers. They all say they carve. Like 5% of the time, 5% of them.
     
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    Approval? Hell no, you'd have to pay me for that. ;)
    It's the curiosity...

    I used my imagination already, that's why we are having this conversation.
     
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    Back when I was selling snowboards in the '90's, I always got customers who dropped by saying how they "ripped" this or that, carving and skying jumps, laying elbows, or pulling 6' off the halfpipes.
    I've gone boarding and skiing with at least 50 of them, if not 80.
    Not once, did any of the guys do as they advertised.
    Some were very good riders, but most just rode fast, skidded and slid, and rode like the sub300 day riders they were.
    Oh, I also sold skis back in the mid '70's, which is why I included skiing.
     
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    Good point about the stance! Slightly forward and narrower is certainly easier to carve. Stances got ridicoulously wide nowadays, mostly due to media constantly pushing freestyle. When your board is 150ish andn stance as wide to almost put you on the nose and tail of the board, there is nothing left to bend into a carved turn...

    Good length freeride board with softies can carve pretty good. Look at this guy - from far you'd think he's on hardboots:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDK3MhdOUy4
    or this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGiZo1o3xfQ

    Last but not least, my kid at age 3, on skis:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-WK-GHV7ms :)
     
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    That's OK carving for soft boots. By the sound, and if you look closely at the tracks, you can see it's carve initiation with some slipping exit, normal for an expert rider trying to carve with soft boots.
    My AvalancheIceRocket has 144 edges, is as stiff as my HotSpot, and a soft boot stance around 19" can cave pretty well.
    Soft boots also need softer snow, as in the vid.
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    I've spent many an hour riding with hard boot guys and their 184cm x 19 raceboards with my softie setup and a 157 twin tip. Initiation of the turns can be close, the the exist skid of the soft setup betrays the nice carve.
    Rebound is the same, the same 12' of no tracks between linked turns.
    I have 6 pins, plate, and some wire in my tib/fib that lies EXACTLY where the top of the hard boots meet the shin. That's why I've been spotted using softboats (AirWalkFreerides) with my Logical 163 with a 20" stance and almost carving like the raceboarders.
     
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    That's why I say carving is for easy runs without moguls, soft snow, or groomed corduroy.
    Nobody carves down WestFace, East, or even straight down the SADDLE. OK, Saddle is a possibility in softer heavier conditions.
    Carving is for the runs that are not challenging.
     
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    Of course that the groomers are ideal carving conditions, appropriate width of the trail helps too. Chopped up runs are doable, as well as ice.
    "Easy" and "not chellenging" is rellative, I guess. For most of the people a black diamond is not considered easy. I know several people who can carve blacks, as long as it's groomed, hardpack included. A groomed blue square should be carvable by any intermediate carver.
     
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    To carve, really do the 3/4" lines without a skidded exit, it takes some riding skill, something few rider's of less than 50 days can do.
    Black groomies ARE easy runs for anyone who is carving.
     
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    Jeez, where are the storms in the Sierra's?

    Down with high pressure ridge blocking pattern!!


    Tips for the tiny tots: Don't talk to much, leave em in the bindings on the lifts, the retractable front pull cord is great, and stick with em and help em up a bunch.

    BTW, now he's 5 and is linking turns down (squaw) blues and wants nothing but jumps, hahaha!

    Now we just need some snow!
     
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    Two weekend days of rain for Jan.
    Fourth driest Jan since 1890, yes 1890.
    With a low moving thru supposedly by Thursday, we could stumble into the wettest Feb ever.
     
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    Dust on crust, maybe up to 10", with another week of dry after.

    http://opensnow.com/dailysnow/tahoe

    Will keep on waiting, doing the snowdance.
     
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    I thought you were also a surfer.
    Did you catch this last 7-10' west swell? It was more consistent than last weekends bigger swell, as paddling out was difficult for most at OBSF.
    My g/f just bought a new Formula windsurf board and required sails, masts, booms n stuff, so we might stay around most weekends.
     
  25. GRANITECHIEF

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    Ya that was a nice clean long period swell. Ventura surfers point aka seastreet, was super long rides.

    Lee you are in SF so Los Gatos is about an hour south?
     
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    I'm in SanPablo and Los Gatos is an hour S if there is no traffic.
    On a messy commute day, it can take almost 2 hours.
    OBSF was not surfable with onshore breeze and huge moving tides which make for lots of closeouts and a real tough paddle out.
     
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    Let's revive this thread....

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    after years of no skiing/snowboarding got a couple days on the hills in CO and more than a couple of days at the oh-so-fun brewpubs... :)
     
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    Its a tv tower/restaurant in Liberec, Czech Republic. The area is called Jested. I went snowboarding there for the first time, had a blast but still learning. Nothing here however compares to the Alps, its a whole other ball game. In January I was in Kitzbuhel for the Hahnenkamm race, amazing. If anyone ever gets a chance to go, do it! No question.
     
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    Gchief, I moved to Reno this winter (back in Tahoe summer) but if you're up at Squaw/Mt. Rose or in Reno the next month, let's play some tennis.
     
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    Carving good.
    There's a car commercial on TV lately that shows a guy and a girl doing dual ski carves at moderately high speeds, cool.
     
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    Got lucky last week and was able to ski PCMR and Snowbird during a dump. Good snow, though it was more like the heavy Euro snow that I ski on in the Alps than the light, fluffy, "greatest snow on Earth" that they always advertise in UT.

    Either way, good times were had.
     
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    i'm heading to wasatch next week and hopfully the high pressure will lift allowing some cold air to come in for some snow.
     
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    My 6 year old, last Sunday:

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    Next day the mountain closed for the season, with tons of snow still...
     
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    Square up shoulders, keep hands in front, bring outside pole forwards, bend ze knees, weight OUTSIDE ski, keep head up looking forwards, not down at his ski tips....:):)
     
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    Yeah, yeah... Some of your comments do stand, ski club coach and daddy instructor know it too ;)
    The point of the post was - How many 6 year olds you usually see carving both edges and getting 45˚ edge inclination?
     
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    Problems is, for me, lots.
    Former g/f was a snowboarding instructor. Lots of kids want to SKI with her, and parent's paid for the lessons. Lots of kids can carve pretty well, if the parent's allow them to ski 100 days a year.
     
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    You know what, as much as I realy like majority of your posts and obvious experience in quite a few sports, some of your post are total BS... :shock:

    For a kid to get 100 days on snow, even in a place like Vancouver where the season is about 5 months long and mountains at the door step, a kid would have to ski 2/3 of those winter days. Unless he doesn't go to school AND has a parent that is fully committed (read no real job) to kid's future ski career, there is close to 0 probabillity to skiing 100 days/year.

    We agreed before that less then 5% of skiers (probably applies to boarders too) really carve. With 6 year old kids, that percentage is like 0.0001%.
    In 40 years of skiing, 10 years of instructing, 3 being exclusively kids instructor, involvement with ski racing club, I've seen exactly 1 kid that can rail both edges, do a full C turn and just roll to the next turn. And that is only on the good snow and when he feels like doing it...

    I'd love to see those other ones you are talking about - it might be an eye opener for me. In the mean time, I call BS. :twisted:
     
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    While Whistler is a huge two mountains, certainly respected by most skier/boarders, your experience is just a drop in the bucket.....as is mine...but neither is all encompassing like you would want to believe.
    SierraTahoe had one of the biggest junior race programs in the country. Skiers from all around California would camp for month's there, with their kids, a full on tutorial/homeschool program goes on there every winter back in the '90's. As such, as many as 15-40 camper's park there full time, from Dec thru April, and most kids ski well over 100 days, if not approaching 120, on years with early and late snow. 100 days is not a huge number.
    As for school, Tahoe has a ski program where kids from 4th grade thru high school can get off school by 11:40, AM, and are free to take the bus or go by private transport to any ski resort they choose....meaning their PARENT's choose. This extended to the Sacramento area, thru most of Western Nevada, from well N of Chico down to Yosemite area.
    Naturally, you didn't know this.
    LindseyVonn and JohnnyMosely didn't get good at skiing by going to school until 3:10PM, believe me.
     
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    This is very cool. However, we are talking 10 year olds as the youngest in those programs, no? My original question was about 6 year olds.
     
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    I guess home schooling isn't in your vocabulary.
    I see tennis players around 6-8 who play weekdays, mid day.
    I see windsurfing kids who are on the water every windy weekday.
    I see farmboyz who are starting motocross riding mini's around age 7 who don't go to school.
    Maybe in your mind, school is of vital import, but that's not a reality with parents I see around here, in the SF Bay Area.
     
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    I guess, you are reffering to those in campers, few posts above... It just confirms my earlier point:
    Here's some wild math, based just on educated guesswork...
    Let's assume there are about 5 (I'd imagine this is a generous number) ski bum families in the area that have a 6 year old. That would be about 1% of total number of 6 year old skiers in the area. Maybe 1/2 of those had enough experience and training to carve = 3 kids. This is an astronomical percentage of 0.5% 6 year old carvers. I'd give you that - your area beats the rest of the world by few decimals, probably. Now, there are 7 ski resorts around Tahoe Lake, 3 kids. You have less then 50% chances of being at the same resort with one. 50 runs on the hill, less then 1% chance of seeing the young carver. He doesn't carve all the time, but rather when the conditions and mood are right = 0.25% chances of seeing the action... Assuming you did some 100 day seasons yourself ;) , yup, you might have seen few over the years. Lots of sightings, I doubted...

    And yes, I do consider the school as a very important part of a young person's life.
     
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    Can't apply YOUR standards to everyone else.
    Yes, I snowboarded a total of close to 310 days from '96 thru '03.
    Skied close to 400 days from '73 thru '78, when I was playing tennis.
    Do you think pro skiers prioritize their school education?
    I knew several pro motocrossers who basically quit school by 10th grade. They did make full sponsorship for a number of years, both with TeamHonda and Suzuki, making over 50 grand a yeara, but not much more than that. One of the kids, who used to live a mile from me, didn't go to school, hanging out at my house when he was 12 and waiting for a ride to the practice track a couple miles away.
     
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    Huh, typical topic twist, when in trouble :mad:
    I did a guesstimate of probability of seing a 6 year old carver, in your area that's supposed to be a Meca, you reply with motorcross and ski pros. Over and above, I get accused of applying my standards to others...

    Anyways:
    I do not know of any 6 year old ski pros.
    I know of ONE pro snowboarder/kiteboarder living with his young kid as the care-giving parent. Even him, had to quit his team coaching duties, to take better care of the kid. I guess he is a part time pro now...

    So, back to the straight question:
    How many 6 year old skiers have you seen to carve both edges? :)
     
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    Carving with the uphill ski, especially predominantely, is a flaw in his technique.
    While some weight can be applied, even up to 30%, the majority of weight needs to be on the downhill ski, with BENT knew, however slight or exxagerated.
     
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    Unbelievable...
    No, that wasn't what I'd asked you.
     
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    You would be a fool to applaud bad technique, and luck.
    Basically, that is what you are doing.
    Poor technique, he should have caught his edges, crashed hard, and released from his bindings.
    Like a luck mishit in tennis, that is not something to be proud of.
     

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