TW Review of new Luxilon 4G string --Good as Gold

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  1. pvaudio

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    With all due respect, your credibility is in question when you say that Luxilon strings have far superior tension stability than Tourna strings. That is an absolutely absurd statement. A rec player will get 3-4 hours great performance out of ALU tops before it dives off a cliff. This isn't a problem for pros who restring effectively every set. For a rec player, that's not really financially doable. To state that ALU has greater longevity than say BHB7 or BHBR is just not true. Are you sure you haven't switched your brands around?
     
  2. purple-n-gold

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    Ok I'll humor you for now..

    The worst in Lux offering as far as tension maintenance that I'VE found is ALuRuff. ALu smooth compared to BHS and BHB is a level above in initial and overall performance when fresh, and has similiar tension maintence to BH imo. I would rather play with ALu than BH given the choice.

    I only hit briefly with BHBR and it definitely did not have the wow factor like AluR did for me.

    Genesis has the best of the "cheaper" poly strings imo but you may like Tourna better,to each his own.

    4G is on another level for me compared to any poly I've found as far as tension maintence, plays great and definitely top tier.
     
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  3. drakulie

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    Quick note on the above post. I made a mistake on my calculation. Tension loss went from a ERT of 32 to 28 after 5 hours of hitting/drilling.

    Note: This is a 4lb loss, not 5-6 as I stated.

    To add, played another 1.5 hours and ert remains the same as does the playing characteristics.
     
  4. Roger Wawrinka

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    That's what happened when I strung mine with VS gut in the mains and 4g in the crosses. Strung it at 57 and 56, and it was okay in the beginning, really stiff, but after hitting with it over a few days it now feels Amazing! 100% agree with Drak on this one.:)
     
  5. fortun8son

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    Of course the Wilson sponsored players use Luxilon. 4G is the newest update.
    What else can they use and keep the sponsorship, Enduro Pro?
     
  6. drakulie

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    ^^^ I was surprised to find out that a lot of sponsored babolat players don't use babolat string,,,,, they use Lux.
     
  7. fortun8son

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    Perhaps Babolat is more lenient than Wilson?
    You, out of all of us, would be in a better position to know.
     
  8. drakulie

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    fortun, I would imagine Babolat is a bit more lenient. Wilson, on the other hand, for instance does not like the "W" logo stenciled in any color but red.

    I wasn't surprised however to find that many Babolat players who could receive RPM for free, have opted to buy Lux Alu Power or Alu Power Rough. Simply put, they claim Like a lot of TW'ers have, that the string loses tension too quickly, dies quickly, and simply underperforms.
     
  9. fortun8son

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    Cool observation.
    I guess it's a good thing that none of the pros use Red Alert! :)
     
  10. 000KFACTOR90000

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    Hi Drakulie, Just wondering what gauge you're using ?
     
  11. Nostradamus

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    Rpm is great for 30 min to 1 hour then dead. Not all tour players can just change rackets with every ball change. Nadal does so he can use Rpm and do fine. It is a great string if it would just last for 8-10 hours. I too gave up that string while ago for that reason.

    Proline X on the other hand plays just as well as RPM with more pop but it lasts around 8-10 hours.
     
  12. Prostaffer

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    It's also worth noting that Wilson doesn't own Lux. They merely own the distribution rights. If they were really forcing string down players throats they would make them play Wilson no?

    I believe that Lux also does not sponsor any pro's. Some may receive free sets, but there are no paid sponsorhips.
     
  13. Nostradamus

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    then why does some players have that Lux Logo on their racket strings ?
     
  14. TennezSport

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    I believe.........

    I believe that what PS means is that Lux will give string for free but does not pay the player to use it. This is what I have been told also, directly from a Wilson exec.

    Cheers, TennezSport :cool:
     
  15. 000KFACTOR90000

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    But I'm assuming it's no coincidence that most of the Pro users of 4g have hefty Wilson racquet sponsorships :)
     
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    Tsonga, Querrey, Baker, Sock, Errani, Devvarman, Wickmayer, Andreev, and couple more
     
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  17. Bhagi Katbamna

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    Wilson has a world wide distribution agreement with Luxilon.
     
  18. SteveI

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    Well... that makes sense..:)
     
  19. 000KFACTOR90000

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    The best indicator of 4g's success on the pro tour might actually be the babolat sponsored players who choose it over alu power.
     
  20. Prostaffer

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    I think only Wilson Sponsored Players got first dibs on the string. Most likely because they were used in the testing process. I think we will have to wait a few months before we see non-Wilson players making the switch.
     
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    My quick review, 4G 1.30

    Rac - Tecnifibre 320 16x19
    Tension - 52/49 lbs
    ERT - Day after stringing 30. My string of choice Luxilon Original reads 31 day after. Lower # could be due to its stiffer compound. I noticed that it didn't "stretch" as much as LO on my Wise head, and once it reached the tension, it doesn't keep pulling like other strings.

    Play - Didn't have to adjust much. Played similar to LO. But noticed that balls weren't as heavy. So after about 10mins, I had to adjust....I started to hit harder. Now I was getting the similar heavy ball as the LO. I was struggling a bit with flattening out shots, as they didn't seem to penetrate as usual. Took me few mins to find the timing. But once I found the timing, good heavy shots.

    It plays little bit "deader" than LO but it feels like a 1.20mm. Weird but nice! I usually practice pretty hard so after about 1.5hrs of hitting my ERT reads at 26 with LO. I measured 4G after 1.5 hr of hitting(day after stringing), it read 28.
    It did play nice and crisp throughout the whole sessions.

    I'm not convinced after 1 session but this isn't for all players, at least the 1.30 in full. 4G really rewards those that can hit heavy and hard. but with better feel and tension maintenance ability.

    I'm going to hit again and do a final review in few days.

    Cheers!
     
  22. Power Player

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    I lold reading this thead. I have the exact same tension to time ratio as drak. 4g is so far an amazing string for me. I cross it with ogsm.

    It is not alu in terms of spin, but it is on another level in terms of consistency and control. For me that is more important as i can generate my own spin.

    I fail to see so far how any cheap poly can hold a candle to this stuff. All i play is cheap polys, and this is like driving a ferrari in comparison. I am 6 hours in and only lost 4 pounds off the stringer.

    If this suddenly drops off a cliff, ill update, but so far this is playing like one of the best polys on the market for me.
     
  23. purple-n-gold

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    Hey PP I've been saying this all along. Right now I've got one bat strung with 4G and Hollow core cross',,,simply excellent doubles stick in terms of feel and playability.
     
  24. SteveI

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    Still not a big fan of this stuff. Had some great weather this weekend. Got the frame out with the 4G installed..played side my side with my Tourna set-ups. Guess I do not have the game/hand speed/strokes to get the full impact of this new 4G string. For those of you that do.. enjoy. I am...too much to pay for a nice cross string...give me Forten Sweet..:)
     
  25. TimothyO

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    I have 4G 1.25 in one frame and have been trying different crosses in the other (matched for weight, balance, and SW).

    I like various aspects of other poly crosses. Some offer a little more comfort. Others a little more spin. But none have offered the whole package: extraordinary control, great comfort, solid spin potential, and the best durability of any poly I've tried as a cross. I just keep coming back to my frame with 4G crosses as the reliable, confidence inspiring weapon of choice. Hitting flat or with spin I feel like I can "trust my strokes" more with 4G in the crosses.
     
  26. Power Player

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    I get the same feeling in the mains. Probably even more so with this setup.
     
  27. Torres

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    Been hitting with the 1.25mm as a full bed for the last couple of weeks (50lbs CP, JP 96/16x20).

    Interesting and unusual characteristics to this string.

    Firstly, it absolutely is not a spin orientated string. If you're looking for grab and bite on the ball this absolutely is not it. There many polys out there that offer spin and grab on the ball. Any one of Big Hitter Black 7, Tour Bite, B5E, Black Magic etc, offer significantly more spin potential.

    Its much more of a control orientated string that produces a consistent ball off the stringbed, probably because there's not much 'give' to the string. Consistent, consistent, consistent.

    It plays stiff(ish) though not uncomfortable to start with, but this is one thing I do not like about it - it stiffens and gets harder with hitting. Whatever little elasticity it had to begin with gets knocked out of it pretty quickly and it does become stiff. If you want a 'pockety' feeling poly, this aint it. If you want a string that's comfortable on the arm, this aint it.

    Doesn't really have the best feel, even when freshly strung. It plays slightly dead.

    Tension maintenance seems pretty good. I'm not noticing significant tension loss and when you put that together with the string stiffening, I'm guessing that SBS remains pretty constant or at least declines predictably.

    I have to admit though that I'm less than thrilled by it as a full bed. If you're looking for a stiffish string that remains pretty consistent and not bothered by the lack of spin and bite, this may be of interest. Those with any arm sensitivites should tread carefully because it is not a soft co-poly and it tends to stiffen with repeated hitting.

    I suspect its real potential may lie as cross with natural gut mains. That stiffness and good tension maintenance would complement the natural gut.
     
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    I wouldnt play it in a full bed. It hybrids so much better, but i agree with about everything you said. Same findings here. It is my main string in the wilson blades. Just an amazing poly to hybrid as a cross or main.
     
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    have you played with beast xp?
     
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    This matches my impressions of the string almost exactly. I had it in a hybrid with gut mains, so I didn't feel the stiffening quite to the extent of Torres. If you are looking for tension maintenance in a gut hybrid,4G isn't bad. But for spin, power and comfort, there are better choices IMO.
     
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    My two main setups are gut/XP and gut/4G, both in a P1.

    IMO:
    feel: 4G a little softer; XP a little crisper
    power: XP a little less power
    spin: I see no difference, both are adequate
    tension maint: both a really good

    The only reason I may keep an XP setup is to tame the power of the P1. But I prefer to play with 4G.
     
  32. Torres

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    Just had a look at TW University. The 17 has got a stiffness rating of over 270, so its going to be right up there in terms of stiffness, which given its characteristics (or lack of characteristics) points to it better used as a cross with natural gut.
     
  33. Power Player

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    Its real comfortable though for being stiff. I am surprised. I have it at 49#s in the mains crossed with OGSM at 51 and it is a very arm friendly setup.

    I have a TW demo of the APDC with RPM Blast at 48, and I know the APDC really well and how boardy it is, but when I go back to the Blade with 4g mains, the difference in comfort is off the charts.

    will be hitting with full 4g tonight in a steam 105s so that could get interesting.
     
  34. Torres

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    But that's due to the fact that you've mixed it with a infinitely softer nylon string.
     
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    You say there is very little difference in power in different racket models? How did you determine this? By some lab tests or from seeing the difference when on the court.

    When trying different rackets it sure seems like there are some pretty big differences in power levels. You maybe right that a lot of it has to do with the trajectory, but there is definitely a pretty big difference in the power levels I have experienced when trying different frames.

    I was using a blx 90 asian version racket last year and am now using a prince rebel 98 and when both are strung the same there is a big difference in the power levels. The 90 if struck just right can still produce some very good power and on some shots maybe even more, but on the average rally shots there is a big difference.

    The speed and trajectory is less with the 90 and if you are a little off or lazy it produces a much weaker shot. I didn't know how much until I got used to the prince and then went back to try my 90 after not using it for a month and it was amazing how much shorter and weaker my shots were after getting used to the rebel.

    As far as different poly strings having a big difference in power I would say I have found that to be more true than the difference in rackets. But I would still say that there is a noticeable difference. With my new prince I have tried a lot of different full poly set ups. When I tried luxilon bb ace which is a string I really like and played very nice in my old stick it turned into a rocket launcher on the prince.

    I had to go to thicker lower powered 16 gauge polys like dunlop black widow to tone the power down. Maybe lab tests don't show that big of a difference but actually hitting the ball sure does.
     
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    Yes. That is why I said I will never play it in a full bed. My point is that as mains in a hybrid, it is very comfortable and is a great buy if you want a control string.
     
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    That doesn't mean that the 4G is soft. It means that the nylon synthetic gut is soft.

    4G is stiff, with very little give to it. After 15-20 hours of hitting with this string during the last couple of weeks, the sinews and tendons in my arm feel like chopped liver. This is a hard string on the arm.

    And if a subjective view isn't enough, the TW stiffness data for the 17g shows that its stiffness is right up there (medium tension, medium swing speed):-

    1. Sheep Micro 17 ------------ 168.0
    2. Synthetic Gut 17 Duraflex
    -- 192.6
    3.
    ALU Power Rough 125/16L --- 218.3
    4.
    Revenge 17 ---------------- 249.7
    5.
    4G 17 ----------------------292.0
     
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    4g is more stiff than revenge?
     
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    Frame is also a factor here.

    I love 4G crosses in my 200 Tours with VS mains.

    Hate it in my new Pure Storm GTs finding it uncomfortable but it is usable. Replaced it with PHT for the cross.

    found it completely unusable in my 4D 200s even as a cross with VS mains. Very harsh in such a dense pattern / small head.
     
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    According to the TW data, yes.

    It's a strange thing because when you actually hit with it, it doesn't feel too bad at all. But then after about a week's hitting, my forearm started feeling a bit 'hot' and the sinews a bit tender. Carried on into the 2nd week and the tissues in my arm were feeling like that had been beaten with one of those wooden steak mallets.

    It's a string that I would describe as 'deceptively stiff'. Doesn't necessarily feel stiff when you hit with it (unlike say Solinco Tour Bite), but that stiffness catches up on you. Someone else on here said that they were icing on the way home after the 99S/4G playtest. My experiences weren't that extreme, but its certainly a string that's hard on the arm. I suspect that the string is dead after about 8 hours, but it doesn't give much indication that it's died because its already stiff, slightly dead feeling to begin with, and has pretty good tension maintenance so unlike other polys (which may show big tension loss, or lose alot of their original elasticity), its hard to detect when 4G has gone / is going dead.
     
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    TW take their measurements using the same racquet. I also playtested it my normal racquet. Your other comments suggest that its a stiff string.

    I suspect that 4G could potentially be a good cross with natural gut. The only potential downside I can see if that unlike natural gut / Alu, 4G doesn't have that lovely crunchy crispness that Alu has when fresh. That said, the tension maintenace of 4G could make it a more realistic option in terms of longevity.
     
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    Agree, I'm disputing its stiffness. It's defintely stiff! And it does play deceptively soft for a while.

    I think that's why I enjoyed it the soft, open pattern 200 Tour but no the dense 200 or slightly stiffer PSGT. It felt so harsh in my PSGT I cut it out after just a couple of days!
     
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    I never once said 4g was soft. I said the hybrid stringbed played soft and comfortable for me. I acknowledge every time that it was due to being in a hybrid which is why i said i would never use it in a full job. 15-20 hours of a full job of 4g would be tough on the arm there is no doubt about it.

    This is a Hybrid poly. Not a full job poly. I changed some technqiue and am starting to hit hard enough to kill this stringbed in one week. So at this point i am looking at going back to cyberflash or black magic mains to compare since the price point makes more sense. I am interested in seeing if the control is as good with them in the mains. The 4g has incredible control compared to other polys like cyclone. So i am thinking that stiffer polys may aid in that depertment at least for me.
     
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    Player,

    I followed a similar path after trying 4G thinking, hmmm, stiffer crosses provided great control, what other stiff crosses might do what 4G does but with more spin.

    So I tried some of the stiff polys with lower friction from the TWU friction list (ie stiffness approaching 4G but lower friction). So far the best imo is Pro Hurricane Tour as a cross for gut mains. The others felt dead or very uncomfortable. Also, nothing that stiff has provided 4G's unique combination of comfort and control, at least in certain frames (open pattern and soft).

    I'm trying an experiment with...get ready for this...bike handle bar Gel tape as a replacement grip, so if it works I might be able to use 4G in my Pure Storms.

    Bike tape is MUCH thicker than racquet grips but far more cushioned. You couldn't use it without an OG but with one the only difference is a larger grip size. In this case TW only had 4-1/2" grips and my normal grip is 4-5/8. So I'm close to my normal grip in spite of the thickness.

    If this works I'll probably buy future frames a size too small as so far it feels extremely comfortable.
     
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    Well I had some 1.20 cyberflash and I tried it with the same OGSM crosses. So far I do not have the same amount of control and surprisingly the spin is better with the 4 as well. I did not expect this to happen. The weirdest part is the comfort is better with the older 4g, and I know cyberflash is rated as one of the softer polys...interesting.
     

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