Discussion in 'Racquets' started by TW Staff, Oct 11, 2013.
With the exception of Graphite 100 (to add to the old 93), I think I'll pass.
It is not an ESP...standard EXO3.
So did we cover all of the new Prince racquets that you know about?
I didn't double check, but it looks like you've listed everything.
Great, thanks for your help
ahhhh I see the bag is slightly different on the lines of the outside, looking at mine now to compare. Im guessing the compartments are still the same?
Thanks! This one looks great, like the green in it
this new bag actually has considerably less green from last/this years
Anyone who playtested the Tour 98?
I am also interested in the Tour 98, but wonder why Andy gave this racquet so low scores overall. Has anyone playtested the Tour 98? How is it compared to the Rebel 98?
What about the new Tour 100 16x18 and 18x20. Are these new raquets or is it just a new PJ? The most important for me would be the stiffness. Is it still 52? I have arm troubles and need a soft raquet...
As far as I know, it's just new paint.
I'm really interested in Prince's quality control. Hopefully it's better than Wilson's.
me too i hope its high
Someone may have asked this question before. but Does those large Holes in the head of the racket that allows for string movement, Really work ? What does that exactly do for you ? vs regular grommet rackets
> I'm really interested in Prince's quality control. Hopefully it's
> better than Wilson's.
I'm resigned to getting professionally matched and customized frames given the variances in frames from the big manufacturers. Fortunately it's not that hard to get done these days.
I play with EXO3 rackets (Tour 100, Rebel 95) as well as with regular grommets rackets (Head Prestige MP, Radicals).
In my opinion, the holes do something for you, they give you more room for hitting, i.e. a larger sweetspot area. So balls are either hit or mishit, there's no "grey area".
However, I don't think I can really say that I play better with them, the regular grommets rackets are just as fine, the main aspect is probably that the feeling provided by EXO3 technology is just different.
Since racket switching is fun to me, I'll continue using (most of my) Prince and Head rackets, and I'm thinking about adding some Völkls to my lineup (PB Mid, C10 Pro).
Speed port tech does work, and it creates a noticeably larger sweetspot from more string movement. This also adds comfort forgiveness and power. Downsides are that the feel is much different, the more powerful frames like the black need high tension, and the feel can get a little "muddy/mushy" IMO. It's very dampened, and my arm likes dampened.
I'd have to agree. People really do have conservative views on technology and I think Prince really stepped up the game. It wasn't until I started playing with prince EXO3 did I decide to seek a professional relationship with them.
I like many others thought it was a joke until I played with the frames.
The feel is awesome in my view. I play with a hybrid of Prince LT and Lux and it really lets you feel the string bed play the ball. I understand the muddy/mushy comment, but I would describe it as deferred/transferred feedback. On a traditional racquet the ball strike and impact seem instantaneous...with the Exo3 its feels like a slight delay. I love it, but to each their own.
I like them with the Black/Green combination. The last one's were just green and white. These look better.
I completely agree.
traditionally Prince was just as bad. Maybe they've changed.
Rebel 98 / Tour 98 ESP Comparison
To those who have hit with both (Prince Reps), I posted this in the TW questions section, but am also interested in any feedback you can provide as well. Thank you
How is the 16x20 pattern of the Response compared to the Warrior? More or less open, the same?
How would you compare the plow of the Response to a Wilson 6.1 16x18?
The new Prince racquets have arrived at TW
Does anyone have the POG OS LB spec?
That racket does not exist. But the specs for the Graphite 100 LB are on TW since the racket has just been released. On a side note, I have hit extensively with the Tour 100T ESP for the last five days and here are some early thoughts. I strung it with the new Tour XC 15L at 58#. This was a little harsh, giving the frame a dead feel. The rackets was 11.2 ounces strung with a 5 pt hl balance. Today the stringbed has lost 14% of original tension (measured with the ERT) so it sits at about 50#. I took off the white resipro (very nice) and put on a leather grip and a tournagrip. That took the racket to 11.7ou and an 8pt hl balance. It is a new racket. Beautiful plow and stability and easily 30% (what Prince claims) more rpms. Slice and kick serves are comically good! The string has crazy good feel for a poly so hit out or play with touch. I never use a full bed of poly so I was amazed. This stick would not suit a flat hitter as it trampolines a bit. Have just start testing the Classic Response 97 and that is what old school flat hitting S&V guys and gals have been waiting for. Not for me since I am a grinding topspinning 4.5 baseliner but this frame is sweet! I strung that one with PPC (formerly PPA!).
much appreciated feedback
I own 3 of these except don't have instruments to get precise measurements. Can anyone else chime in?
There is one on the bay currently - although it is not retail.
I guess I stand corrected. A POG OS LB? Wasn't Andre rumored to have used this long ago? Seems like it would be very challenging to play with.
Does anyone know the stiffness of the new Tour 100 16x18 / 18x20?
Same as the current EXO3 Tours. Only change is paint.
Are we talking about the Tour 100T ESP? Its weight, balance point, swing weight and stiffness are slightly different than the EXO3 Tour 100 16x18.
No, I'm talking about the updated Exo3 Tours (no ESP).
Contemplating picking up this re-issue of the POG 100. Have hit with the 93 and 107 prior but never the 100. Anyone hit with this re-issue?
I think I'm just tired of all the GT,YT,and Amplifeel BS techs out there. Something about 100% Graphite attracts me. Also thinking I should pick up two more exo3100's 18x20s, now that the price is right.
The Graphite 100 is a nice stick. Good old school feel.
I think the old school frames are the best for low tension full poly, because of the lower power and more feel.
That being said I will be using gut mains / poly cross mostly, but will go back to trying full poly with the lower power control old school feel
I got the TW demos for the Prince 100T ESP, Prince Tour 98 ESP, and Prince Warrior 100L ESP and tried both the 100T and Tour 98 for about 30 minutes.
Initial reaction is Prince did a great job with the 100T ESP. It's one of the most solid 11 oz racquets I have hit with in a while and I have demo quite a lot of racquets from TW. It offers a solid feel and good flex. Plenty of power and easy access to spin with good control.
The Tour 98 ESP however was a different beast. The launch angle of that is something that I didn't get use to. It felt a bit sluggish and balls tend to sail long with the racquet.
I think that's the frame Michael Chang played with and started the whole longbody trend. I got a couple but apparently it wasn't retailed in the states? I could never get the specs for it though.
I used to play with the Change racquet in high school. It was a Graphite 107sq Longbody, but it was painted blue with gold stripes instead of green. It was a great racquet. This is one reason I'm excited for the 100 to come out because I always wanted a 100 headsize.
The Chang frame you used, was the bridge straight like POG or curved? if it's curved it's the newer generation precision graphite or the Chang autograph series I think. But the couple I have are essentially POG 107 but 28 inches long with the POG paintjob. Could never find any info or spec unfortunately.
My local shop only had the 100T ESP and the Graphite 100 in. They won't be getting the Longbody and they are waiting for the Warrior ESP. The person wasn't sure if they were getting the 98 ESP for demo or not.
I picked up the demo at 5:30 and the sun goes down about 6:20 around here. I was able to hit with the 100T ESP and the graphite for about 25 minutes on the ball machine. I spent more of the time with the 100T ESP and it surprised me. The one I am demoing weighed in at 320 with 15L Tour XC, no overgrip, and a Tour Damp. It had a very generous sweet spot, really good spin, good ball pocketing, and it felt less flexy than the Tour 100 in both patterns. I liked it more than I thought I would as the lightest sticks in my bag are 330, while most are around 346-350. I won't comment much more now as I don't have much time on it, and no time hitting against someone. I have the racquet until Monday and hope to hit Friday and Saturday with it.
Yeah, the 100T ESP will surprise many when they go for a demo. I wasn't anticipating that an 11oz racquet would offer such stability and control. The real test will be when I get to hit with some heavy hitters this weekend so I can see how well it came handle heavy topspin and also how well it serves.
I added a little lead to the handle to even out the racquet I had as it definitely was less than 6pts HL as listed on the specs but so far impressed with the racquet.
Good to see some positive feedback on the ESP Tour 100. I've been looking to possibly switch to a slightly lighter racket, and this could be the one. Currently I play with the Tour 16x18. And while I do love this racket I might want something just a tad less demanding. Anyone have experience with the ESP and the 16x18?
Any of you prince guys hit with the tour pro?
Tour Pro 100. No ports. Anyone?
The 100T ESP is not as springy or as dampened as the Tour 16x18.
This is not one of the 10 new frames just released. It will be released in early 2014 and could really appeal to those who find EXO3 and DB tech just too dampening. I am (like many others it seems) a big fan of the Tour 100T ESP. I put on a leather grip and a tourna and strung it with Prince Tour XC 15L at 58#. It weighs 11.7ou and is 8 pts HL. Like others are saying, you can't believe the stability in this quick light weight package. The increase in spin will make you grin. I immediately sold my beloved Tour Teams (16x18s). 16x16 rocks and it only takes 30ft of string - can you say big savings with your favorite reel??
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