Twenty20 world Cup

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Who will win the T20 World Cup

  1. Australia

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    14.3%
  2. West Indies

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    14.3%
  3. England

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  4. India

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  5. Sri Lanka

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  6. Pakistan

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    21.4%
  7. South Africa

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    7.1%
  8. New Zealand

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  1. ark_28

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    Been a good event so far no upsets I support West Indies hopefully we can have a great run! South Africa are looking like they could finally end that run of never winning a major title... Maybe they can join Murray?

    Who do you guys have to win?
     
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  2. Feña14

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    I think Sri Lanka, with the West Indies as the dark horse.

    Would be great if we can win it again as defending champions, but it being in the subcontinent makes that unlikely.
     
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    I will never write England off! I think the KP saga make actually make you guys play better! Also the first few games look as though the pithces have some pace and bounce! This could help the non subcontinental teams! :)
     
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    Well, we are number 1 in the rankings I suppose. Briggs, Swann and Patel is a strong spin lineup, we have alot of big hitters, Morgan to keep things ticking etc.. We won both warm up games against Pakistan and Australia too.

    The only concern is our batting against spin, it's very poor.
     
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    I agree! That's England's main concern I think Boparas poor form is a slight concern his medium pace should be useful in Sri Lanka! So if he's scoring runs it will make for a very balanced England team :)
     
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    I think the management got tired of Bopara's inconsistent performances :)

    The batting line up these days for twenty20 is Kieswetter, Hales, Wright, Morgan, Bairstow, Buttler.. Lots of big hitting, and 3 wicket keepers in the top 6 :)

    The bowling of Finn, Dernbach, Broad, Patel and Swann, i'm very happy with. Wright coming in and replacing Bopara has been excellent, he's a better bowler too for my money.
     
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    I agree that batting line up looks very powerful! big test will be against spin but so far the pitches look like surprisingly they have a fair bit of bounce and carry which could help the likes of England and Australia! England looked very good yesterday great knock from Wright!

    Looking forward to West Indies v Australia today :)
     
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    Yeah, it's a very young team really. Most of the line up are in their early 20's, Bairstow, Buttler and Hales are the talented batters coming through, they're 22 and 23.

    Wright is one of the most experienced, he's been around forever but is only 27 :)

    I'm looking forward to West Indies and Australia too, I fancy the West Indies for this one. They've been improving the last few years and looked fairly decent in England earlier this summer.
     
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    Pretty poor from England today was unfortunate as you rightly said they really did struggle against spin and Ashwin was rested!

    India did bat really well on that form they will also be tough to beat if the wickets are turning!
     
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    Absolutely, Sunday league spinners could bowl us out for under 100 :)

    Still, we're through which is all that matters.
     
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    For sure! You almost wish they had put the main game for each group first so that all matches had some meaning! I still think England can make the semis and then who knows!

    My boys the West Indies have to play Ireland and win to stay alive won't be easy in T20 the Irish are dangerous and spirited but I still feel we will have a bit too much for them!
     
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    NZ for the win.

    I think we will win it (the kiwis)...maca and taylors in decent form...veteran of the ipl...just get the bowling sorted and we'll do ok.

    surprised nobody has picked SA or Pak...

    all three of our sides will have a field day with indias bowlers.
     
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    think so far its been really boring one sided matches, even the windies v aussie looked great but then rain came and D/L was implaced - always favours the batting team.

    honestly any out of these have equall chance - aussie/pakistan/india/england.

    South africa - always choke but have great fast bowling line up. Sri lanka dont have great rep against pakistan/india.

    ark - dont think windies will make it out of super 8's no offense gayle is brilliant best opener, narine is looking good but hasnt played against good quality spin batsmen like india..he aint no ajmal. and sammy/edwards dont look good bowling.

    hearing reports that very high chance it will rain next few days, ireland v windies - cancelled...rained off
     
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    I agree it's a shame about the rain!'

    OTF I don't see New Zealand winning the title but I agree Taylor and Bazza on their day are fantastic players on their day can wreak havoc on any attack I think its between them and West Indies for the 2nd semi final spot in that group as I am certain Sri Lanka will make it!

    Finalfantasy7 none taken :) I just feel on its day our batting can take any side apart our bowling is a slight concern Gayle with his arm ball could play a role with the ball too!

    England have a good team but after yesterday I just don't like their chances on turning wickets!!

    SA do choke but signs are against England in test series that maybe they turning the corner!

    It's pretty open just ashame the weather is playing such a part!
     
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    ^agree.
    ark do you know how these super 8's became, as aussie/south africa/india/pakistan all in 1 group - all teams which came top are seeded against each other, while other group is battle of 2nd seeds.

    as pakistan fan - our batting looks decent, but bowling lacks especially fast bowlers - Usually other way round. but in columbo its spin friendly - hope ajmal/hafeez/afridi come good
     
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    Think England will get to the semis and then probably lose.
     
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    I think spin bowling should be outlawed :)
     
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    ^ lol, gotta face mendis
     
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    West Indies is the funnest place on that list so I go with them. Mon.
     
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    Is this Soccer, in America?
     
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    what a innings by aussie, always love to see india lose

    but wat a match by pakistan v SA, brilliant by gul, SA chocked again
     
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    They're looking really good.

    Although England beat Australia in the warm up games. I think if Australia win it all, us being the last team to defeat them means we're the rightful champions ;)
     
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    India squash Pakistan to keep the chance of qualifying alive
     
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    4 man of the matches for Watson. I would take out an insurance policy on that guy. The downside is that nobody has had a bat. The day Watson fails is when these other guys must have their first hit of the tournament. Maybe they will rest him for the Pakistan game because we have practically qualified.
     
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    I don't think Australia should take a chance in the next game because cricket and T20 in particular is a funny game and the gods have not been kind on Aussies in this format. What if India beat SA by a huge margin and Pak also beats Aus by a huge margin and they end up not qualifying
    I don't think they can take the risk of resting Watson
     
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    As a west indies fan I was so nervous but we really held our nerve in the super over! Then Sri Lanka did us a favour v England! My gut feeling is Australia and India will qualify!
     
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    Never had us down to defend our title so I'm not surprised that we're bowing out in the Super 8 stage.

    Patel was brilliant in the chase though - really frustrates me that he's still considered a bowler that bats a bit and that it's a big surprise when he scores runs.
     
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    I'm a big Patel fan. He was very good in India last winter, he got 70 off around 40 balls in one of the games I think.

    We were awful then and he got us back into it a couple of times.
     
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    Doesn't he bat at #4 for Notts?
     
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    He used to, and still does sometimes.

    Since Lumb and Taylor arrived though he's dropped down a couple of places to 6th.
     
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    Have to say I lost a lot of repect for Australia today! They blatantly made no effort to chase down 149 for victory but knowing 112 was needed to avoid elimination they made 117 from their 20 overs to qualify and almost certainly take Pak with them unless India thrashed Sa which didn't happen!

    I hope my boys the West Indies can raise their game and send Australia home on Friday!
     
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    How arrogant of you ! Instead of focusing in how good Pakistan bowl you suggest that Australia just wanted to get 112. Pakistan has the three best bowlers in the T20 format: Ajmal, Afridi and Gul.
    Australians never want to lose, they just got outplayed today.
    I guess you would now suggest that SA. knowing that they were out, only wanted to make 122 to kick India out ?
     
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    So you honestly think if Australia were going for 149 they would just take singles and coast along to 117? They may get bowled out but they wouldn't bat the overs for just 117 they made sure they did enough to qualify while put India in serious trouble!

    Did you not see how Hussey celebrated for reaching 112 even though they were losing! 112 was clearly their target not 149!

    South Africa unlike Australia were trying to win the game as any team should in such a big event!
     
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    As a pakistan fan, i do slightly agree with ark.
    i do agree that australia didnt actually go for many big shots, hell they didnt even make that many singles(rotating the strike), as hussey did hit a few fours especially of last over from shoaib malik/hafeez, then hit 1 four of gul in last over,
    but at the start watson/warner did try and play shots, but as they fell quickly- australia just went to thr target (112).

    I also felt that they didnt try and go for big shots after top 2 got out was because the track did suit pakistan spinners---- also the aussie middle order hasnt faced really anything, relied heavily on top 2

    good semis, windies v aussies- will be about big hitting..batting match (1st match was like that but it rained and blew windies chance), both teams are reliant on top 2 scoring quickly, time for k.pollard to prove himself as batsmen (average 4).

    pakistan v sri lanka - will be about containing,/bowling match. they have thr new spinner/mendis- mendis has a very poor record against us, also malinga v gul - whos got the better yorker/death bowling. Both teams look like they can collaspe in batting

    prediction australia v pakistan final
     
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    India? More like OUTdia!
     
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    maybe they should play the last round similtaneously to stop that kind of thing....it's also getting that way in the 50-over format. FIFA did that in 82.
    I remember AUS on the go slow against windies in 99 world cup.

    good to see the tounry heating up with the super8's..the matches were close an exciting...including ours(nz)...although i still think it's hard on minnows.
    2 pools of 6 then go straight to semis would make things interesting.
     
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    yep..australia clearly have improved and begun a proper plan around 20/20 cricket and genuine 20/20 type cricketers...eg Warner/Watson...something India could learn from
     
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    I don't understand the criticism against Australia.

    For South Africa to qualify, Australia had to win 3, with South Africa, India and Pakistan winning 1 each. If Australia deliberately lost to Pakistan to keep South Africa out, then yes that would be unethical.

    As it was, Australia did not throw the game. They did their best in the field and started the run chase going for the 150. After they lost wickets, they knew they had to get the 112 to qualify for the semis which is based on THREE matches in the Super 8s. It is like a Formula 1 driver who has got enough points from the previous races and just knows they have to bring the car home in 1 piece to get the points to win the title. Do you see that as unethical? I would think that if you crashed your car going for the win in the last race it is pretty stupid. If Australia didn't make the semis because they were going for the win, I would think that is pretty stupid too.

    If the matches were played simultaneously, Australia would have played the same anyway.
     
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    T20 is a bit of a lottery. There are 8 teams, any of which could beat anybody on their day. New Zealand finished last in their group, yet lost 2 matches in a super over and could have qualified with 1 more run in the Windies game. South Africa came last in their group but lost 1 game by 1 run and another game by 2 wickets with 2 balls to spare.
     
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    ^ disagree, pakistan have been the most consistant in the years, especially in world cups, 2 finals, 1 winners, 1 semi final loss,
    this is the 4th world cup and pakistan are the only team to get past the super 8's everytime (making it every time to the semi's everytime)
     
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    well done sri lanka, played better and deserved it, afridi .. afridi.. afridi -hastto be kicked out.

    Hope 2mrow's game is close
     
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    It all comes down to Gayle.

    Even if Australia win, I doubt Australia will win the final. The pitches are getting slower and favouring spin.
     
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    Hard luck Ff Pakistan had a great run though and are a formidable
    Twenty20 side, Sri Lanka though at home are looking formidable.

    Hoping my boys the West Indies can pull it off today and am quietly confident it's not just about Gayle though the rest of our batters and Narine have a huge role to play!

    I agree though its going to be tough for either team to get past Sri Lanka on these slow low pitches.
     
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    Hope SL don't win, reliant on chuckers all these years.
     
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    Wohooo what a performance from Gayle! My boys into the final fornthe first time! Will be tough to beat Sri Lanka in the final but you have to be in it to win it!
     
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    missed todays game, but what a peformance by the windies, 2 teams in the final have shown great fight/heart.

    already eating humble pie for what i said about windies - great for both teams, windies do have a very good under 19's team, hope they come back to the force they used to be,
     
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    Aussies were completely smashed. I don't know what Doherty was doing bowling the final over. No excuses though. Australia were beaten in every department. Looked like a bunch of schoolboys against men. Really embarrassing.
     
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    What can I saw, second post of the thread nailed it :)
     
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