Two-Racket Tennis?

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    Cool article.
    Read the weasel words "can reach "nearly" 140mph.
    Journalism code for "I've never served anything that I could pass off as something close to a 140mph serve"

    He also has some weird illegal rubbery flexible grip attached, according to the article.
     
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    hahaha! i love it! it totally freaks me out how the dominant arm of a pro player is grossly oversized, compared to the other arm. but the last thing that my spastic game needs is another racquet...i can only imagine the injury i'd inflict upon myself!
     
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    Bet Rafa would rock at 2 racket tennis.

    Also like how he acts like this is a new thing. I'm sure every 10 yr old child and most tennis players have tried this for fun and realized it sucked.
     
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    Can you imagine how erratic your toss would be if you tossed with your racket?

    My sister once played a lady who only had one arm. Her other arm had been amputated at the elbow. She served by putting the racket under her shorter arm. She tossed the ball with her hand and then switched the racket to that hand and struck the ball.

    I imagine that she probably tried tossing the ball with her racket, and I'll bet she decided it doesn't work well.
     
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    I like how they said something about 'avoiding the pesky backhand'. Clearly these aren't great players, if they're resorting to something like this to avoid a backhand.

    I do respect the talent one must have to do this, but I think it's crazy. I would never be able to make my left arm do anything useful with a tennis racquet myself, so these people do have some sort of skill here.

    And yeah, who hasn't tried this before in some form or another? I haven't with tennis before, cause I can't coordinate myself well enough to even try. But I've done it with ping pong, semi-successfully.
     
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    Sucky backhand so has to play two forehands - Check
    Can't generate power so makes a the stick longer than legally allowed (whip-grip) - Check (though why you need to do this with the many powerful rackets on the market is beyond me).
    Claims serves of up to 140mph - Check

    This dude is a serious hacker. Are we sure he's not on TW????? He should be. He'd fit right in.

    LOL!
     
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    yeah I agree. The solution to a bad backhand is to a develop a better backhand or maybe go to a 2HBH not go to 2 racquets! If you were truly ambidextrous, I would go to one those racquets with 2 handles if anything.

    Beach tennis I get. This I don't. It doesn't even sound like fun.
     
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    "Stalking the baseline with a racket in each hand like a giant lobster with graphite claws, Don Mueller receives the attention he is looking for. Don Mueller is always looking for people to play his brand of tennis, with one racket per hand.

    Passers-by and people on other courts do double takes as he scoops up a ball using his rackets in pincer fashion, balances it on the throat of one of racket, then rolls it into the air as he unleashes his ferocious serve, which he says can reach speeds of nearly 140 miles per hour."


    :roll::roll::roll:

    Mmhmmmm... does he post on TT, BTW? :p
     
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    "It took a long time for the epiphany to hit me in the head like a brick, but it did," Mueller said. "I was hitting against the wall and switching hands and I suddenly thought, Why am I switching the racket back and forth in my hands?"

    "So I started playing with two rackets."


    So, this brilliant guy never thought to develop his BH instead of wasting time switching the racquet between hands, during a point? :oops:
     
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    The only way I could hit anything with my left hand would be to use a ping pong paddle.
     
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    Me thinks this guy a comedian... rather than a serious tennis player

    "Two-Racket Tennis"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJlBqY5yQuM

    Check out some of his other vids, too.

    There is no way in hell this guy serves a tennis ball 140 MPH.
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    Mueller also invented a grip for a tennis racket (also considered against the rules by the U.S.T.A.), a rubbery extension called the Whip-Grip, which gives the racket head extra velocity.

    "They said you can’t change the shape of the racket," he scoffed, adding with the authority of a physicist, "Every time a ball hits the racket, it changes its shape." :roll:

    Check out his "Whip-Grip" :lol:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knSK6QZQCx8
     
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    Why does he need two racquets? Why can't he just switch hands based on where the ball is?
     
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    See post #11 :)
     
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    lol. The very first ball he hits in that vid is a complete shank...

    You can totally tell that he's a natural righty though. When the ball came to his left side, he just kinda punched it back over unless it was right in the middle of his hitting zone.

    There was an ambidextrous guy on our high school team. Natural righty as well, but just took forehands with both sides. He only needed one racquet to be able to play that way. But he also had a 2hbh for emergency situations. Oh, and he could have probably beaten this guy...

    Why couldn't this guy have just done the same thing? Seems like he had too many other usta rules that he wanted to break (like the grip mod), so he just decided to make his own game out of it so he could make all that stuff legal.
     
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    Why couldn't he???? Because there's no money in it. This dude is tring to make CASH off of two-handed tennis - maybe by selling his "WhipGrip"? Maybe giving lessons?

    See quote below:

    "My goal is to turn ambidexterity and cornball humor into gold, or at least sufficient green,” he said. “Make way for the juggling gourmet. Maybe I can make enough money to really get two-racket tennis off the ground.”

    HOWEVER - it might be kinda fun to see a a pro play another pro who had two rackets just for kicks. Like Rafa with two rackets vs. Murray with one.
     
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    Posted without accompanying snark, with tremendous restraint. ROTFLMAO, squared. :lol:
     
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    i read the article last night. it's fairly interesting, and hilarious.
     
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    Why would anyone need two rackets. If you can hit a forhand on either side, then just switch hands with other racket, right?
     
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    There is a guy in our league that has only one arm. When he serves, he holds both the racket and the ball in his hand at the same time - racket held by thumb and forefinger at the base of the grip, ball cupped in the rest of the hand. He throws the ball up, then brings his hand/arm back and shifts his grip on the racket before hitting the ball. He does this remarkable effectively - his serve is a pretty decent 4.0 serve.
     
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    impressive the way the balls tossed...but we have no idea where the balls landing, and there is NO possible way that thing is coming within 1000 yards of 140 mph...
     
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    Check out the YouTube videos of his serve. He puts the ball in the throat and tosses it from there. Looks more stable than you'd think tossing from the string bed. Still, 140 mph... I don't think so.
     
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    There are only a small percentage of pros that actually serve 140 mph. In fact I am not even sure if I have seen Fed top 140 mph in a match. That serve looks like a regular "club-level" serve meaning probably below 100 mph.
     
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    His arm looks really cramped on a lot of his strokes. Also, wouldn't whipping a racket be potentially more dangerous to your wrists?
     
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    I can play like that too, but tossing for the serve is awful.
     
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    Why not just have 3 racquets?, that would be really something....
     
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    Oh, it all makes sense now, he's just using a completely different standard than the rest of us are so as to make his achievements significantly more impressive than they actually are. Yeah, sure, if you want to measure muzzle velocity, that's a viable way to do stuff, assuming that you tell people that's what you're referring to. Trying to pass it off as the usual reading to make it seem really impressive is just dishonest. And saying that you can serve faster than most pros will make most people immediately write you off as a nutjob, so why you'd even do it, I don't know.


    Also, don't pick on usernames... The majority of people's don't really mean anything and everyone knows that. Using it to belittle others is just a low blow.
     
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    its like the difference between RWHP and Crank HP... crank is always more.... so you can say you have a bigger # even if it never makes it to the ground.
     
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    do you have any videos of you playing a match or hitting groundies with 2 racquets? i only see serving videos.

    i'd be curious to see what benefit having two racquets has in matchplay.
     
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    I'd still like to see real points being played, especially where the two racket player has to move more than two steps to get to the ball. I would imagine it restricts arm movement, thereby affecting how most people move, therefore slowing the person down. If I ran with two rackets, it would look like a flailing racket juggling act.

    It also seems to affect the shoulder and body rotation during the swing because there's just too much extra length and weight on the off side to rotate efficiently.

    I generally get a bad vibe from people that are over-aggressive in the art of self promotion. I'll add this one to my list of examples.
     
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    There is a guy who I took group lessons with in a 3.0 class and he would switch hands and only hit forehands. He was one of the better people in the class.

    There is another guy who comes to open drills whose backhand is kind of hard to explain. I think he uses the same grip only he swings with the inside of his wrist facing his opponent. He doesn't take a full swing but he hits everything flat and gets a good amount of pace. He is good too. I think he could play 4.0 without a problem and dominate at 3.5. Not sure if he plays leagues.

    Anyway, the point is that there are all kinds of ways to play this game and who cares as long as the results are good. What I don't get is the 2 racquet thing. If you can use both hands why not just switch and use 1 racquet?
     
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    prof tennis -- definitely an intriguing idea. and on paper it sounds good but i think in practice and on video it looks awkward and actually hinders your playing ability instead of increasing it. on video you are hitting groundies in no mans land. i'm not even sure why you would be hitting groundies there unless it's really difficult to generate pace and depth with two racquets in your hands from the baseline or behind it. plus i don't see you moving much side to side. again probably because it's difficult to move with two racquets in hand.

    still it's a fun idea. might be fun to have a light hearted tourney where people have to play with 2 racquets. but that's all it probably can be. i'd be just as happy to enter a tournament where you have to chug a beer after every game. the results would be just as awkward i think.

    hope to catch you on the courts sometime with 2 racquets in hand.
     
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    the major problem i see with two-racket tennis is the grip.

    because you don't always want to use the same grip for all shots. With 1 racket, you can use your other hand to adjust the grip on the fly, but with no free hands you can't adjust your grip.

    this means you can't/ or hard pressed to do:
    1.) any decent slice
    2.) decent volleys (depending on your regular forehand grip)
    3.) hit body shots, handling the balls that come b/w the rackets will be hard. You have to be able to move out of the way quick, or play a backhand (so much for the no backhand =P).

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    actually, I see the chances of someone developing arm problems easier with 2 rackets. Because with the 2 rackets it is hard and un-natural for you to turn and then hit the ball (using the whole body and momentum without the other racket getting in the way). Thus players will tend to "arm" the ball more.
     
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    How are you going to raise one finger for "out?" :)
     
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    I'm thinking this isn't a game to play against someone playing with one racket, as they are at an advantage. As HellBunni pointed out, without being able to change the grip there is no slice/flat/topspin/volley/serve grips, you need to pick one and stick to it. Though I'm sure somewhere on that serve you can measure it to be 140mph, it is a weaker serve than most regular players will be able to pull out. And obviously the one racket player will be much more mobile.

    I think this is the biggest problem with even using this as an alternate sport, it is too easy to get injured. Between arming the ball, hitting your self with the extra racket, and falls from lack of mobility, I'm thinking it could turn out to be quite the deal breaker for regular tennis players, even for a "fun" tournament.
     
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    id like to see this guy run with 2 rackets!
     
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    goober, you're a lot better than that. This guy is a troll. You are feeding him. Shame! :)

    I refuse to even click on the YouTube videos - you're boosting his views, which unfortunately gives him some amount of credibility and free advertising - if his videos are viewed enough they are going to start showing up when people watch legitimate tennis videos...
     
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    Two racquet tennis reminds me of the guys who did not like cycling, so they decided to ride recumbents. Or tricycles.

    It's not for purists, but if the people like it, they're free to do it. They're even free to self-promote, make a buck and get a gig out of it. Not for me, though. I like backhands...a lot.

    A good player who adeptly adopts the 2 racquet ethic, would be tough to pass at net. Unless you went at him, hahaha.

    I'll give them this much: I do see the neurological benefits of playing ambidextrous tennis. I think that's pretty smart, good for the brain as well as the body.

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    So, I wonder if the professor keeps his non-dominant frame strung differently than his dominant hand's stick? How many frames does he bring to a match? Different grips? Different Strokes?
    Again, more power to him. But...no thanks.
     
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    Just learn to juggle 3 tennis balls. Works for me and gives my left hand a nice workout. Taught myself in about 45 minutes freshman year at college. Good stress reliever too.
     
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    Yeah, I juggle a little bit, and I brush my teeth lefty. I generally cook and eat lefty, too. I can get my lefty serve in with some spin, but it's got nothing on it, Lol.

    But I still have a popeye arm from over 35 yrs of one-handed backhands with never more than a few days away from either tennis or squash.
     
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    I don't think they're the kind of racquets you string, frankly
     
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    Prof. Tennis: Obviously this is the wrong place for you to peddle your views. Many of the posts here have been critical, but insulting people the way you do isn't going to get you anywhere. If anything, it pushes you farther to the fringe.
     
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    This has to be an elaborate prank. Those videos reminded me of a time when my wife was goofing off and decided to hit with two rackets. Actually, she looked a lot less awkward than this Igor looking goon, which is sad since she doesn't even play tennis. The picture on the tworacket website is epic. The look on the guys face is priceless, like he lost a bet and was forced to pose.
     
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