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  1. Ash_Smith

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    ^^^ Laura has always been pretty tall compared to her contemporaries, but has significantly grown even in the short time i've known her, both biologically (in respect of height and physical maturation) and also in physicality (S&C). It is incredibly tough to continue technical development when the body is changing, which is why (imo) it is essential that technical development is more or less complete by the time the player reaches puberty, as major changes after this a very, very difficult.

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    Ash, do you believe the conspiracy theorists that this was stage managed? To give Haye some credibility back whilst Chisora "line his pockets"?
     
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    ^^^ I didn't - until the in-ring interviews after, where Haye and Chisora were best buds and had so much mutual respect for each other etc etc. The whole fight was staged on the fact that they apparently hate each other, yet afterwards it's all friendliness - to me that's just rubbing the pay per view public's noses in it. If there is pretence before the fight, at least have the decency to keep it up afterwards too.

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    Funny you should say that i remember a coach educator on a course i did, Anne Pankhurst saying something very similar, basically major flaws in technique still causing problems at 12, 13 ish would probably become more of a liability as the child looses control of their body for periods of time in puberty.
    So i suspect the flaws in my technique are here to stay is that what we're saying?
     
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    It may be difficult but not impossible...in any case LR will be fine.
    Totally depends on the player..if you want to make a technical change...even developing a 2 hander is possible later on.
     
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    ^^^ I'm sure Laura will be fine, she is very determined and a very, very good ball striker - with the continued improvement in her movement she will rise up the rankings.

    It is possible to make changes to technique later, but I'm talking at an elite level. The only pro I know of who made major, fundamental changes to their technique was Juan Carlos Ferrero who extensively rebuilt his serve (aged around 20-21) after turning pro and after he had reached physical maturation. I would expect that had he made those changes during a growth spurt the results would have taken way longer to develop.

    Dave - yes, it was Anne who brought and championed the concept of LTAD and the "windows of development" to the UK (based on the work of Piotr Unierzyski). It hypothesises that there are two major windows of learning for coordination, up to age 11 and then a second window from ages 16-18, but this fails to take into account the different maturation rates of males and females and individuals.

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    Anne wasn't one of my coach educators but in the few days (and she did my on court assesment) i got to work with her i felt i picked up quite a bit, as you say pioneered by others but i suppose very few ideas are really new!
    I find it funny people forget what a big deal learning a sport is, most of us here probably learned to play when we were young, so time fades thememories of all the missed balls and learning topspin by dumpipng forehands into the net on a regular basis but it's a lot of motor skills to develop, to change somethign when like JCF did is a huge deal. It's hard enough to get a 30 something who plays with their friends to change a frying pan grip on their serve to improve it because the negative imediates often far outweigh the long term positive and players loose sight of it.
    Look at Djokovic as an example of someone who couldn't change their serve, he's a good player, Sharapova has changed hers a fair bit but i think from what i read had little choice if she wanted to keep playing.
     
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    I am very interested in this idea that certain people are good ball strikers. What do we mean when we use this term? Is it about timing, or power, or something else completely? For example is Nadal, whose ball is always laden with spin, a good ball striker?
     
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    I read & studied all this & while fascinating, your last point hits home.
    There are different rates of maturation, some are accelerated others retarded, then coming through later. What may take longer may still be better. I remember in my era, Paul McNamee taking 6 months off the tour & coming back with this unbelievable two-hander.
    There are lots of examples & some players are very quick to pick up new things, watched Djokovic working with Todd Martin one year at Aorangi Park, this "flying elbow" serve.Didn't like it & neither did joker!
    Ivan got better at hitting slice backhands, volleys but never could get movement on grass down from Rochey.
    Some things should be left alone, LR is developing nicely.
    Somebody else can answer crosscourt but:
    She is a "good ball striker" because she has great timing, easy power(doesn't have to muscle the ball) & knows where the sweetspot of the racket is. Doesn't quite believe yet BUT when she gets that she will be top 20. Her movement won't be an issue until she gets top 10 then it might hurt her defending. A long way to go till then but she just needs to stay healthy for 5 years...Hopefully she takes Heather Watson with her.
    They are a breath of fresh air.
     
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    I've always taken the term about ball striking to mean someone who hits a clean ball with little obvious effort. Traditionally it has tended to mean someone who hits flatter or as a put away but i'm not sure that counts anymore.
    It's all about timing i suppose, if you time the ball right it gets sent back with interest, hit it early enough and it's going back and taking time away from your opponent too which makes it harder for them.I haven't considered Nadal a naturally good ball striker because i've never really felt anything about his game looks natural or effortless!
     
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    The overwhelmingly negativa attitude is grating...

    I need to vent.

    I understand that piling pressure on LOCOG will undoubtedly cause them to pull their socks up and produce a much better Olympics but I'm just fed up with the extreme negativity that is around.

    This British pessimism sometimes gets too far. Bleak, bleak, bleak! Dark, dark, dark!

    Dampening expectations daily, now everyone is weary when we should be excited.

    This should be a spark of hope for all of us, especially now that things are tough economically. A ray of sunshine, silver lining etg.

    Rant over.
     
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    I think you're right.

    Whether you agree with the expenditure on the Olympics or not (the taxpayer alone is estimated to be paying c. £12bn, as opposed to the original bid's predicted cost of £2.37bn covered by both public and private sectors), the money has now been spent ('invested') and one of the great global spectacles is arriving to showcase our country. And in typical British fashion we're talking down our efforts and portraying ourselves as bunglers to the world (despite the overall preparation being far smoother than the vast majority of recent Olympics).

    Athletes and tourists are arriving now to the feeling that we don't believe in our own Olympics.
     
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    ^^
    Too true, PureAlph4, too true.

    IN other news, with the revelation that there are unsold tickets one would hope that it means cheap. readily available access.
     
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    Completely agree with you mate.

    I heard on the radio today that some think the TV program "2012" is more like a documentary than a spoof/mickey take. Had to laugh........;-)
     
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    One report tonight says that tens of thousands of tickets remain unsold. There is also a furore about G4S, but when wasnt there. Other than that is there much negativity? I live and work in central London and what I see are the final arrangements being put in place. Leaving aside the fact that it will make getting to work and back a bit of a nightmare it all seems quite exciting. There is even a weather report that says the sun may shine -- in a week or two.
     
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    I actually think a lot of the negative attitude at the moment is caused by the weather. If the sun comes out next week, you'll get a much happier country overnight.

    The Olympics can go f*** themselves though. :twisted:
     
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    I've always thought it was primarily about timing. Increasingly that doesn't seem to be the key to hitting the ball. Even at my level groundstrokes and serves are all about the amount of spin that you can put on the ball.
     
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    Since you mention it the number of condoms required for athletes at the Olympics is pretty stunning.
     
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    Was just thinking, it would be a real shame for people who use a lot of rackets (i.e us!) and not post some reviews and thoughts about them. Can always use a bog standard racket as a benchmark and compare or just give us the thoughts on them. me personally over the last few months have hit with: pure drive 2012, PDR 2012, Pure Storm gt, Tec 320 and Kblade 98. combine that with previous tests and everyone elses thoughts it would be nice to get a compendium going on!
     
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    Sorry, away at a tournament and only just seen this as t'internet is well dodgy!

    I refer to a good ball striker as someone who hits a clean ball, a player with a smooth swing, who doesn't appear to 'muscle' the ball. I wouldn't class Nadal as a clean ball striker, but that isn't to say he isn't an incredible 'hitter' of a ball!

    Not sure if that makes any sense, but I'm absolutely shattered and we've still got three days to go!!!

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    The negative attitude may also in part relate to the £24bn (according to what I was reading earlier) or so it's costing to put it on during this difficult time of recession, unemployment and general economic horror. I know reports and figures vary, but anything even vaguely close to £24bn is jawdropping.:shock:
     
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    ^^Hey Ross, steady now. It's only £9bn!
     
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    Whatever the problem, the world's still a better placed viewed from the beer garden.

    And I've still only played tennis outdoors once this year, so bring on the sun! (plus a couple of hitting partners willing to venture outside...)
     
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    Not according to The Guardian it isn't.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/apr/04/price-of-london-olympics

    Estimates vary, as I said, but one thing is for sure: in this very difficult time, it is costing an unbelievably vast sum.

    A little side-issue too is, do people outside of London (especially up North) feel this is 'their' games?
     
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    I live a few miles away from the sailing venue, what i have noticed is the massive traffic chaos they've caused upgrading "our" roads that link between the motorway from Southampton way to weymouth.I could of done without them shutting major roads at 6pm for the last year or delaying everyone so a 30 min drive to Southampton general took 90 mins........The fact that the natural beauty spots and car parks have been sealed off so you can't see the sea should anyone glimpse a sail boat doing something for free, what's not to like so far?
    I'm excited, we have paralympic tennis tickets, figured it's not likely to come back anytime soon but i dread trying to get around here when the boat people are here in force!
     
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    Just saw that bit, I bet with tha much cash head would make us all pt57s with a 16 by 19 string pattern , imagine the racquetaholicness that could occur then!
     
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    You could put me down for a few!
     
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    Thinking about it we could probably buy head racquet division for that couldn't we? Then there could be a little shop with a racquetaholic room through a secret wood panneled door that had a password, in the Austrian Alps with a court where we could go test and oh my mind is off and running away now........
     
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    Does anyone over the age of 35 still regularly play open (as opposed to age restricted) LTA competitions at 8.2 and above, and have over a 50% winning ratio? If so, roughly what's your winning ratio?
     
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    I agree that this sort of thing is some way excessive.
     
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    Hmm.. Nothing for almost 48hrs! How's everyone?

    Still recovering from 4hrs of tennis on Monday. In the middle of relocation, lack of energy is doing me no good.
     
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    everyone is out enjoying the sun i guess!

    Good news, have scored some Olympic Tennis tickets (not that I believe that tennis should be an Olympic sport).

    Bad news, man flu has reared its ugly head!
     
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    Ash will the paralympic tennis be on the tele??

    As for man flu Ive been stuck with something for about 5 weeks now, coughing, heavy chest, its ******* me off !!
     
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    Meags, I fully expect you'll have gout in a few years.:)
     
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    24 new HD Olympic channels turned up on the telly today, so it'll be a disgrace if they're not!
     
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    Wheelchair tennis will be part of the Channel 4 coverage of the Paralympic Games, I believe it is to be the 5th sport on their list of total airtime coverage, so should be plenty to see!
     
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    Right, man flu can jog on (wifey thinks I have developed tourettes as my plan has been to swear at it constantly until it goes), but it's the start of the Paralympic Test Event today (think they've called it the Olympics or something like that) and I for one, cannot wait!!!

    Cheers
     
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    Whilst I'm excited about the Olympics and look forward to spending the next two weeks watching it, I'm already getting annoyed by the bunch of knowledgeless f*ckwits that are presenting/commentating.
     
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    ^^^Chipper as ever then Jay! :)
     
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    This opening ceremony seems like a load of well choreographed but surreal tripe.
     
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    ^^^does anything make you smile??? :D
     
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    That was the most incredible opening ceremony (not as 'spectacular' as Beijing), humanity, drama, humour, tragedy
    - a story! Absolutely loved every minute of it and cannot wait for it to be our turn in 31 days!

    #OurGreatestTeam
     
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    I missed the show but saw some of the teams enter the stadium. They looked to be having a brilliant time.

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    It was fantastic wasn't it? It really was special. Kudos to Danny Boyle and Underworld.........just bloody brilliant! It lived up to it's hype and surpassed it IMO.

    And we had real fireworks.......!
     
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    Lol, where did they dig up Trevor Nelson from?
     
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    Plus one on that. Totally agree. The way some of the UK media were looking for negatives re Boyle's opening ceremony direction was as predictable as it proved lame. Okay, I confess to having a slight vested interest work-wise, but for me last night's ceremony was bold, quirky, innovative, all encompassing, technologically breathtaking, fun, stirring, on a mind blowing scale, highly imaginative and creative... a resounding success in my book.
     
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    Also agree, I was just disappointed that I fell asleep as the GB team made their way out of the tunnel.....doh!!
     
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    a couple of months back i tried to get olympic tennis tickets, when i phoned the hotline they sid they were sold out but watching the games today on tv i see a lot of empty seats.The Keoth/Woz game was pretty empty.Unsold tickets or a lack of interest in that match?
     
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    Tennis tickets were sold out. Was probably just a general (and sensible) lack of interest in women's tennis.
     
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    ^^^I would image a large amount of the empty seats were down to corporate/sponsors tickets too. There is a lot of pressure on corporations to utilise all their allocations or face sanctions from LOCOG.
     

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