Unbelievable WTF rule!!!!

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  1. christos_liaskos

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    If 3 players are tied on number of wins and number of sets and games then the atp get to pick who goes through to the semis!!!!

    They just said so on Sky Sports coverage. I think they said it's called the 'slide' rule
     
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  2. GustafsonFanatic

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    Do they take H2H into account? Like, if Fed and DP are tied at everything, do they consider their score against each other in RR?
     
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    They will compare the size of their biceps then decide who goes through.
     
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  4. joeri888

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    Good for Federer and Murray. The chances of that happening in games are pretty small btw.
     
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  5. GustafsonFanatic

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    No, seriously, do they take into account who beat whom in RR match?
     
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    H2H wouldnt solve the probelm when 3 players are involved and they all have equal number of wins. Each player would have one win against one of the other 2 players
     
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    No, I mean between 2 players?
     
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    Well if two players are tied at the top of the group there is no problem. I should think it would depend on their H2H in that case but i'm not sure of the rule. However, it's in the case of 3 being tied that there is clearly a problem
     
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  9. GustafsonFanatic

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    ty

    How do they choose, by the way? Roll a dice?
     
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  10. namelessone

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    They actually sell the tickets for a deciding match,the players meet at the net for a coin toss in full battle gear and whoever wins the coin toss goes on to the semifinals. Or that's how I imagine it would go:)
    Or since this tennis after all,the guy who picks up the most balls should move onto the semi's,here is an example:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiAhUmk84GI

    Stupid rule.
     
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  11. christos_liaskos

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    They just said the ATP get to pick....as in who is their favourite lol. Really dont know how they would decide, I would be surprised if it was a roll of a dice. Maybe they could see who has the most wins during the season :confused:. It would hardly be a valid reason but atleast it would be something for them to release to the world's press rather than just saying they are rolling a dice, which would make tennis look like the biggest joke sport on the planet
     
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  12. GustafsonFanatic

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    Rafa would still make them wait for him at the net.
     
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    Well the spectators did pay for a show and Rafa should prolong the tension for as much as possible. I also imagine him positioning his bottles to ensure that he is the lucky one after the coin toss and since there won't be a match going on,he won't sprint to the baseline but the lockers.

    Like I said,I can't believe this rule actually exists. It makes the sport look bad.
     
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  14. GustafsonFanatic

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    But can he do this?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NDPOqN2p7c
     
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    Your misunderstanding of a comment is what's unbelievable. They have a whole list of tie breaking standards including number of matches won and lost, games won and lost, head to head records, and they can go even further into the weeds of statistics to decide who gets what spot. It's not going to be decided by a whim or a flip of the coin.
     
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  16. GustafsonFanatic

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    From their website
     
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    that has about as much chance happening as a meteor falling in my head while I type this.
     
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    The question I'll be waiting to be answered: Did it happen?
     
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  19. vive le beau jeu !

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    tell that to these guys... ;)
    http://astro.wsu.edu/worthey/astro/html/im-meteor/strikes.html

    not yet.
    but according to nostradamus, it should happen in the 3841 masters cup.
     
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    I did not misunderstand any comment thank you very much. In particular I pointed out the matter of deciding on games won and lost and head to head records etc. If you cant understand MY post which explained the situation perfectly then you're the one who's misunderstanding is unbelievable.

    Also, thank you GustafsonFanatic for posting a list of the rules for all to see. It pretty much confirms everything I originally posted.

    And yes of course it is unbelievably unlikely to happen but I would love to see it. How the ATP think they can get away with having such a ridiculous rule as no.4 If ties still exist after the above procedures, the ATP shall make the final determination. I just dont see how they could resolve such an issue without damaging the sport's reputation.
     
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  22. dh003i

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    Why not decide by match-statistics? Number of sets won matches in, then if that's tied, games won, then points, etc.
     
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    ^^^^^ If people cant be bothered to read atleast some of the posts in a thread before they decide to have their own say could they atleast read the original post!!!! How many times are people going to keep saying "if number of wins is tied cant they count the number of sets and games won"!? I addressed this issue in my original post!!! The problem wasn't just when the number of match wins is tied by 3 players but if they also have the same number of sets and games won.

    How many times am I going to have to repeat myself :confused:
     
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    Ya same, Just how dominant was the performance!
    If the games are tied, then go by how well was the performne by polls. Also Bias is prefered in the Survey, since it is the People's desire!
     
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    They should do the higher ranked player goes through.
     
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    shouldnt they go by number of points?
     
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    If # of sets and games won is tied, then go by % points won. It is extremely unlikely that will be the same. If it is, then go by the next most meaningful %, maybe winners to unforced errors ratio? And so-on.
     
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    I have a question: Is there a possibility Federer doesn't make it to semis after Murray beating Verdasco ?
     
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    They should just let Federer through. Because he's Federer. :)
     
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    Yes there is. If DelPo beats Federer in straight sets and Federer ends up with less game-wins than Murray, then Murray and DelPo go through.

    Even if DelPo beats Federer in three sets and it turns out that Fed has less game wins than either DelPo or Murray, then he won't go through.
     
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    If it comes down to sets then it goes down to games...
     
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    Malakas, you still there?!? :shock: ;)
     
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    hahaha well..It still has to get to equal sets and games for the 3 players..

    but I'm taking cover!!!
     
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    They don't expect it to ever come into play. Even in a WTF as close as this one, "games won" still ended up being enough of a determinant.

    Regardless of what rules they have, it's probably going to end with "and if those rules aren't enough to make a determination, we'll figure something out" because it's round robin and ties can happen.

    I don't think it matters much as I don't expect it to happen.
     
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  35. GustafsonFanatic

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    Are you on Google Earth?
     
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    haah why?Looking for the meteor crater??
    Well it didn't went down to ATP deciding so I'm safe.Pretty close though.*phew* Remind me not to make such statement again.
     
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