Updated Hitting Video

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  1. Cheetah

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    for the record, RKelly wasn't 'showcasing me'. He only hit to the middle that many times because he could tell I wasn't able to move like normal.
    Usually he hits about 75% of his shots to my backhand. And he usually runs around his bh more to hit to an i/o to my bh. He will tell you the same.
     
  2. sureshs

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    I can book Thu after 8 pm. I will let you know after that.
     
  3. sureshs

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    Yes 5263 video would be good to see. I want to check how Oscar's teaching scales to higher levels. And whether MTM coaches actually play any different from others in real life.
     
  4. Power Player

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    Yes lets do it. I am looking for a tripod now. We can just take turns on the camera side and ill dropbox you your footage.

    I also will have some dust in my lens until I can clean my phone out. I got all the parts coming to make repairs, got a magnetic mat so I don't misplace any screws. Kind of looking forward to this repair actually. But I hear it will take some time.
     
  5. 5263

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    I agree hawk eye, good comments. When you are 40-50 and upwards, that is every day the aches and pains....

    and Cheetah, nothing meant by show case except it was billed as your vid with the camera on you mostly and you are not seeking advice...thats all.
     
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  6. JackB1

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    That would be cool. I also need to make a up to date video since most of mine are 2 years old (time flies!). I just need to figure out a way to keep it out of a certain creepy stalker's view. I might have to make it "private" and just give out the password to a few. Hate to do that, but I have been continually harrased on UTube this banned poster. Good thing is that the forum admin's have been informed about this, so he's kiiling his chances of being reinstated here anytime soon.
     
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    Yes. I'm not trying to imply that I am a winner, but every time I have lost a match, I admit that my opponent was better than me that day and deserved to win the match. No excuses, no injury bs, my opppnent was just the better player.
     
  8. Power Player

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    I never got that with him. He makes informed posts, was cool enough to send me free string once, and then he would just go off and pick endless battles with people and just never relent. It seemed very bipolar and odd to me. He would be one of the better posters if he didn't have that side to him.
     
  9. Cheetah

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    My injury isn't bs. Oh man, I'm so gona kick your butt when I see you. :)
     
  10. Cheetah

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    Are you referring to Jackb1? I have to search for those threads someday.
     
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    Who are you talking about?
     
  12. Power Player

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    referring to his nemesis that he is talking about.
     
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    definitely recommend meeting up w/ Matt to hit. hitting with guys at his level is always alot of fun and a treat because it automatically motivates you to play better and reminds you big the differences are between players and levels.

    btw, i'm sure you're just kidding about kicking Matt's butt. ;)
     
  14. mad dog1

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    i believe they're referring to the Tourna string lover.
     
  15. JackB1

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    Totally. I actually enjoyed "jousting" with him for a while, but then he just went off the deep end and got downright creepy and disturbing. To go to all that trouble copying all (and I mean all) of my videos and reposting them with his insulting comments. UToob has removed dozens and dozens of his re-copied videos and he keeps opening new accounts and redoing it. I can't figure out what he gets out of that? Looks like he doesn't care about getting his ban lifted?
     
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  16. 5263

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    I plan on doing a vid, but not for the reasons you think. I don't know if you will see MTM instructors hit different or not, but I will find the topspin contact from below, accel the racket as I hit up and across the ball, and will pull thru to a good finish on the left side. Those are the big Fh keys in MTM.

    After 3 decades of classic, I still have lots of vestiges of traditional in my game and tend to hit neutral stance more than I'd like. I wish I was better. I'd really like to drag the racket better and I work on that quite a bit. I do it, but I'd like to do it better. I work hard to keep the habit of reaching across with the left hand, but think that feeding balls during instruction hurts that habit. It is better when I keep that left hand on the throat longer and stretch that left hand across.....and I train and drill my students to do it.

    Main thing I'd want to share about my hitting is that I don't expect anyone will be impressed looking at me swing, so to speak...but I win and I win a lot. I've had so many undefeated league seasons I've lost count and I expect JackB can tell you that AA levels of Alta in Atlanta is no joke here. I've never lost a 4.5 match in a few seasons and been lucky to play quite a few players coming off tour that broke top 300 and better with some wins in doubles there as well. I say this not to brag, but to draw the contrast. Imo it is so important to realize, that having nice strokes is good and fun to work on, but hustle and putting the ball where it needs to be is what wins matches. That info along with a big course of what tlm preaches...consistent execution...those are the things that win matches in my experience. Pretty strokes are nice and I want mine to look better too...but being that scrappy Pete Rose type player will win more matches imo!
     
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  17. sureshs

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    Winning matches is important to the player, but not so much to the viewer. It is great to appreciate a 4.5 player winning a local match, but no one pays to see that. If they want to see grinding, they would rather watch Nadal do it.
     
  18. 5263

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    LoL, that is quite true and NO One is ever going to pay to watch me...unless we pass the hat to pay me off to get a vid on here :)

    But as you say, It's what is important to the player....and his dubs partner...and the league team they play on. I don't see the point in keeping score if you are not looking to win, even though I am leaning to enjoy a nice social match here and there...even that took time for this old football player.
     
  19. sureshs

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    Doubles videos don't count.

    And ex-football players like yourself are not really to be counted as rec players even if you played singles.
     
  20. JackB1

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    Totally agree about the high level of play here in the ATL. I currently play the lower lines on a A8 team, but I have seen much higher levels of play at some of the playoff finals.

    Also agree that style and pretty strokes look great, but the only thing that really matters is getting that fuzzy yellow ball back over the net one more time than the other guy. Love the reference to "Charlie Hustle". Met him once at his bar in South FL.

    Hey 5263, why don't we do a video together? I can actually keep a rally going with a better player pretty well, since I am usually not the one to make the UEs. We can meet up somewhere like Bitsy Grant Park and film some cooperative baseline rallying. My "iphone mounted on the fence" method works pretty well, but if you have something better we can use that. What do u say?
     
  21. 5263

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    Yes we can do that. I've got a Drift cam I use to vid my son some and on my motorcycle. The fish eye lens is good for getting the whole court but some don't like it. We can use both and see what we like.

    Yes, Charlie Hustle was special for sure...even with all his faults, just like the rest of us have.
     
  22. user92626

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    If you guys could get together, why not play a match or at least a tie break? Skip all the bs of making UEs or "showcasing" the other player's hitting.
     
  23. rkelley

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    Again thanks for the kind words. I always try to move like it's the real thing so that it becomes ingrained. I can't make myself not miss, but I can move my feet. Also, at the pace we were hitting the second video, I can't stay in the rally unless I'm moving for all I'm worth. I still missed too much.

    For the record, in the first video I was mostly trying to hit a 70% ball up the middle and keep the rally going. In the second video we were both hitting harder. The pace has an effect on your ability to move the ball around the court. There were many balls where I chose to be conservative on the placement because of the pace and depth that Cheetah was giving me. There's also just the good ol' it didn't go where I wanted it, but it stayed in (hey, I'll take it).

    As Cheetah said, I usually hit to his bh a lot, try to force errors or short balls, and look for opportunities go to the open court on his fh side. There was some that in the second video. The i/o fh used to be more effective against him (like a year ago) than it is now. His bh is very strong, and it's hard to get cheap points off it just with pace.

    When he's healthy he's very dangerous on the run on his fh. He can go dtl and cc on the running fh so even if I have him stretched out on that side it's not a for sure thing that I'm going to get a weak ball. I, OTHO, need to work on that defense more.

    He also can get me into sharp cc fh rallies that often spell my doom. He'll pull me cc harder and harder over a couple of shots. The balls are difficult to go dtl because of the significant amount of redirection required, and they're difficult to approach on because you're pulled so far off the court. However he redirects them pretty well, so I often loose the rallies that get into that pattern. I need to come up with better answers for this.

    One thing y'all might consider is given how hard I was hitting to him in the second video, and how gingerly he's moving, that he's still able to get a nice, clean hit on the ball.
     
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  24. JackB1

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    cool. just hit me up with an email and we'll set something up soon.
     
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    I'm game, but a "4.5 who hasn't lost in a while" versus a 3.5 like myself, is likely to be pretty one sided. But I guess we can see how things go.
     
  26. 5263

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    Yes and A8 is very good tennis too. I started on a Sportslife C6 team back in 93 or so and we moved up thru the C's and B's to A1 over about a 5 yr period with about 7 City Championships back when I was playing traditional. We kept the same core group up till winning the City at A4, where most of the team had sort of topped out. I was playing line 1, and switched over to a A1 team at line 2 for another City title out of the same Club. Do you remember SportsLife over near Wendy Hill?
     
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    That closed before I moved here, but I live down the street from Midtown Athletic Club on Windy Hill.
     
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    We should have a fun hit no matter. I'm sure you are way better than most of my students, which is where most of my hitting takes place these days anyway, and I don't take anything for granted... I've seen some very good A8 players over the years, even deep in the line ups. Heck, that is one of the secrets to doing well in league is to put those good looking big hitters at the top of the line up and bury those guys who just win at lines 3 & 4. I think I swing the racket better now, but my timing was better when playing more matches and training my son who played in college. Returning his 130+ bombs made everything else seem nice and pedestrian.
     
  29. Power Player

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    New rule of fight club. No demands until you put up a vid of your own. By doing that you will understand the process a little better and the nuances of why it can be a PITA to do certain things.

    I agree with 5263 about what he is saying. Personally I have always been in the camp of "look as good as possible" because I feel like it aids in long term joint health, and its also more efficient. Its also the driving force of why I practice so much instead of just staying stagnant.

    But just looking good and having good strokes is not going to mean anything if you can not put the ball where the opponent can't get it. A lot of that boils down to match play experience. You can look like a million dollars in a warmup, and then when you start to play drop points or sets you miss everything.

    I know I have had my bad days when it feels like I can't hit anything in. But the more I have focused on my technique, and cleaned things up, the less those days happen now, and the easier it is to right the ship if I start off slow.

    Guys with foot speed and weaker strokes that could push back and beat me off my own mistakes I can now plow through on a regular basis. For me, that was straight up match experience. No pressure, thinking that "I should be KILLING this guy, he's just pushing" happens anymore. I just try and enjoy the game and not get to high or low.
     
  30. rkelley

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    Some of reason that you win might be just that you have talent. Even if the form isn't perfect, you get the ball where it needs to go. The other part of winning is keeping your head together in the heat of the moment.

    I'm not blessed with an abundance of either of these things. Honestly, if anyone likes my strokes, then take it as a testament that a someone with very average talent, but a willingness to try to be better, can at least get half decent. But the focus on strokes has helped me make the most of the talent I have, and it also gives me a mentallly safe place to go when I start missing (which always happens). I can lose to anyone.

    I've played this game for over 40 years, but it's only been in the last 2-3 years that I've been able to hit like you're seeing in these videos. I don't play a ton of sets, but when I do, now I tend to lose less often to players whom I feel I should beat. And I have been able to be competitive with, and occasionally beat, players who I think are better than me.
     
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    How does it go when you play Cheetah in a match? Do you play him close?

    BTW, "I don't play a ton of sets, but when I do..." sounds an awful lot like that meme. :)
     
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    We have never played a set. We have played a few games on a couple of different occasions. Roughly split. If I serve well I have a chance against most people. If not, then it could be a long day. Just rallying, he's better.
     
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    I don't play sets with rkelly. I do play sets with the other guy I mentioned who has the forehand that's like a serve. it's a rocket. he used to play in a 5.0 league but he hasn't this past year. And I just acquired a new hitting partner and he wants to play sets.
     
  34. Cheetah

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    Where's tlm?
     
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    hmm... rage quitted? Probably taking a break.
     
  36. sureshs

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    tlm is making another video
     
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    Oh. Tournes.... Lol. He is a mean one. Not in a trolling funny mean but a in real life mean.
    Maybe he wants you to respect his insanity? Not sure. Lol.
     
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  38. mad dog1

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    actually i think he started a new thread titled Updated Hitting Video. ;)
     
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    I think we would have a competitive match, but I have to warn you against judging me just by how I look on video. I am a crafty player and have a lethal drop shot...I get almost all my first serves in and I don't make many errors. I have beaten a few very solid 4.0s that had much prettier technique than I do. I played a 4.5 a few weeks ago and lost 6-1, 6-4. Rallying is just one part of the complete picture.
     
  40. Cheetah

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    ahh... @^$@^*. Yes I've heard that name thrown around at times.

    ...looking forward to the new tlm video.
     
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    deleted................
     
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  42. sureshs

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    tlm, where is your new video?
     
  43. arche3

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    Totes. Done.
     
  44. JackB1

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    not really. changing one letter doesn't count. Please just delete the entire name. thanks.
     
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    There is not a poster by the name tournes. Just sayin.
     
  46. 5263

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    I'm bailing out already; call off our video session! :)
     
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    don't worry! no droppers if we just rally...just groundies. I promise to be good! :)
     
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    :):)
    I'm the opposite of JackB1 except our results seem similar....
    I have no touch, but I drop shot a bit.
    I'm a hammerhead who doesn't mind making a ton of errors just to hit my shots.
    Can't say I'm crafty, but I do change my game for no reason, right in the middle of most sets.
    My flat serve percentage borders on 30%, but it's super effective in moving the reciever to where I want him to stand, so my top/slice and twists can work better.
    I don't mind making tons of errors, because it not only sets you off YOUR game, but it allows me to groove in my shots...:):)
     
  49. user92626

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    What do you mean call off?

    The match already started hours ago. Jack is on his gamesmanship shot, and sounds like you just return nicely with your own fake passive aggressive.

    Don't let him lure you into falsely believing it's only groundies.

    This tennis is exciting stuff!!
     
  50. Cheetah

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    have you contacted 5263 to set something up yet?
     

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