USA will beat England in World Cup

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  1. thejuice

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    Am I the only one that believes in an upset of the England team? There are a couple of Londoners at my job that think I'm nuts.
     
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  2. nfor304

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    Thats about as likely as Australia beating England at the world cup
     
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  3. West Coast Ace

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    nil - nil tie, of course.
     
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    I think your nuts. Australia is actually building up a reputation in football, so I wouldn't count them out.


    Brasil FTW!!
     
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  5. Feña14

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    It's possible, but I don't see much point in predictions like that.

    England have countless Champions League winners, FA Cup winners, Premier League champions etc..

    Steven Gerrard for instance single handedly won a Champions League on his own, Lampard has scored 30 goals this year on his own, he's scored an FA Cup winner late in the game from 25 yards with his left foot, he single handedly dragged his team back into a Champions League final they were being dominated in etc.. Rooney is arguably the best player around. These are world class players who have shown their class at the highest level...

    Could there be an upset? Of course, but there is no real reason to point to that happening. It's like predicting "Youzhny will beat Federer at Wimbledon in a few weeks", anything can happen on the day but predicting something WILL happen with little evidence or reasoning behind it is to be taken with a pinch of salt.

    I hope America do well and have a good tournament, though.
     
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    Dear (OP) "the juice"

    For starters, I'd think the Brits would at the very least wanna adopt you as one of 'their own' given your "the juice" TW user name (wink).

    That said, as I am no "soccer" know-it-all (am a college/NFL football devotee), but given the U.S.'s injuries let alone the fact that England is ranked 3rd in the world, I'm thinking that you (and me) have to hope for this "best case" scenario:

    By its very nature, "soccer" is not a high-scoring game and by dint of that fact any "lesser" team (in this case, the United States) if they have any 'skills' can "hang" within a goal or two--admittedly a daunting, callanging disadvante.

    Having said that, being that the underdog may be playing within a goal (and with 30+ minutes at hand), there's always the slight chance (again, albeit slight) that the U.S. may somehow end up "tied" 0-0 or 1-1 at halftime.....and from there, somewhere, somehow in the midst of the 2nd half, the 'Yanks' may try to survive by pulling all their defenders (and many forwards) "back" and try and keep Rooney & Co. out of the box and try to somehow squeeze out a (however dominated) draw....notwithstanding the pressure they'll be facing (from not only Great Britan but the rest of Europe who'll be "curiously" watching this one) that they Brits will have to contend with---after all, they're more than expected to win this one....and much as the U.S. is the underdog, they've improved what with many of their players (e.g. Landon Donovan) acquitted themselves favorably (favourably?) in Premiere League play this past season.

    Think 1980 Olympic hockey: US during their "Miracle-on-Ice" run started off their run with a "survived" 2-2 draw against Sweden which allowed them to "survive" in order to fight another day against the lesser teams in that grouping.

    IMHO, the same applies here. England's the clear class of this group. Can the U.S. somehow survive and move to the next round ..... off of an opening "0-0/1-1" type of draw (in the face of an overwhelming shots-on-goal disadvantage? Who knows?

    It sometime happens: a goalie stands on his head....a shot riccochets off the crossbar/post... what should otherwise have ended up a 3-1 win turning into a 1-1 draw for the "live to fight another day" chumps.....

    Btw, the U.S (not having GB's talent--and more importantly--DEPTH) to begin with have some injury issues at present at hand, no?

    I don't even know how the "4-team" grouping end up advancing. Can the "2nd-place" team move on? That's the only way I see the Yanks moving on....
     
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  7. West Coast Ace

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    Yes. The top two from each move on, to make a 16 team 'knockout' stage. And that's why I think the US will play for the tie. One point from this game and wins in the other two should get them to the next round...
     
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    All very true! After your prediction about the Flyers coming back, i'm expecting you to be pretty spot on with this one too ;)
     
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    Yeah, you are nuts ... that upset is about as likely as those pesky colonists winning their independence from their home country ... hmmm ... the name of which escapes me at the moment!
     
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  10. westside

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    What's so far fetched about that mate? ;)

    CAHILL!!!!!!
     
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  11. bezs

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    Wouldn't be surprised if it happened, stranger things have happened.
     
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    it's football everything is possible but I wouldn't bet on it.
    I'll be cheering for you though!:)
     
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    I think it may well happen, Englands team is full of individuals and egos and will rely only on rooney who is the only great player on the team. Now ferdinand is out as well, the US have a great chance of winning
     
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    Haha its not that far fetched.... but its pretty unlikely. Just like the USA beating England.

    Its like Melzer playing Nadal at RG.


    USA and Aus are playing a friendly against each other soon. Cant wait
     
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    That would definitely get them to the next round.

    A loss against England and two wins would probably get them to the next round.

    A couple of draws and a win would probably get them to the next round.

    A loss, a draw, and a win would possibly get them to the next round.

    Even with two losses and a win there would be an outside chance of them making the next round.

    All of which goes to prove that the big matches for the US are their last two, where they'll be favourites. If they can perform well against the two minnows in the group then they should be fine.
     
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    Haha, nah i agree with you.

    I'm also excited for the friendly tonight. Unfortunately i'll be tuning into it during the change of ends for the women's final
     
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  17. Peters

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    I'm English myself and I'm predicting a 1-1 draw. England are superior to USA in every department but are notorious for not playing to their full potential in major competitions.

    If the US play well as a team they're more than capable of scoring against us, so it won't be an easy match for England.
     
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  18. jaggy

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    I dont see the US getting a single point in this one.
     
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  19. NickC

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    England will loose, they don't play well as a unit and rarely do they get a player who actually takes pride in playing for his country. The USA, on the other hand, aren't as skilled or talented, but each one of those guys out there give every drop of blood in their bodies for the Flag and for the pride that comes in representing the USA.

    And oh yeah, we've never lost to them in FIFA-sanctioned official matches.

    1777. 1950. 2010. NOT YOUR COLONY ANYMORE!
     
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  20. baseline_monster

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    The USA are fast becoming a decent football team, as there showing in Copa America last year shows. I think they need a few more years though. Fact is in europe, defo England its our number one sport, in America it comes after mlb, nfl, nba, nhl and probably lacrosse. I've allways been a believer that if the USA put there efforts in, they could win a world cup in the next 20 years
     
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    Because you're not really into soccer, I don't expect you to know that the US has a deeper selection at GK than any other country on the planet. But don't say that we're not deeper than England at all, because that's simply not true.

    Look at it this way, who would you rather have as your keeper group?

    Tim Howard
    Brad Guzan
    Marcus Hanneman

    or

    Joe Hart
    Paul "I scored against myself in Croatia" Robinson
    David "Calamity" James

    Speaks for itself really.
     
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  22. baseline_monster

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    Well you must not watch to much "soccer". Paul Robinson isnt going, instead Robert Green, a great shot stopper. As for the calamity you call David James, you must just watch the high lites of a season clips. He has be awesome this year, the guy was Liverpool number one and if you tally up mistakes made by any keeper over a career, he is not much over, he makes up for it with being a good goalie who controls a defence. Tim Howard is a great keeper, but has had his slips ups, esp when he was at man utd.
    I know I would rather have Rooney and Crouch up front instead of Donavon and Altidore. In midfield and defense you are just inferior. Now please dont misquote me, it is very possible for the USA to beat us, there is not a single poor team at the world cup. On the same note, we are very much over rated and often considered for honors we have no real right for but player wise we have a team that can square up to to the likes of Brasil, Spain and Italy
     
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  23. cucio

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    Casillas, Reina and Valdes. Who are those guys you mention?
     
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  24. baseline_monster

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    Just read back. How can you comment on players pride from another country? We look in out history books and have the following

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    we have a history in football, we dont pretend to have a top NFL side or crap like that.
     
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  25. West Coast Ace

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    But we both know it won't happen. Our best athletes will always go into those other sports.

    Got a spanking today...
     
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    I usually would be rooting for Poland but since the didn't qualify... USA USA USA USA
     
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    England 5-0.

    Heskey to score just for laughs.
     
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    The old days when the US team was a total joke in international play have been gone for a while now. We are a "B" level team. We don't have any real stars with great talent except maybe in goal, but we have good speed and athleticism.

    I wouldn't be surprised if we beat England. All the pressure is on them, not us.

    On a side note, I hope soccer never becomes popular in the USA.
     
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    I bet that was the mentality of the Spanish team at the 2009 Confederations Cup when they faced the States.
     
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  30. ninman

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    Being Scottish I love watching England lose. The English media in Britain hypes up England to almost psychotic levels, and it drives everybody else in the UK crazy. They think they are much much better than they really are.
     
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    "soccer" will never become to big in the USA. Look at baseball, football, basketball, all games played over a lot longer and can be won in the last second.
     
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    The US has a better keeper, but otherwise you are right, England is better across the board.
     
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    :lol:

    I love how the Scottish always moan constantly about English media hype about our football team. What do you expect? For the tabloids to downplay our involvement in the tournament and not give it any coverage? They're tabloids for goodness sake.

    Talk about sour grapes. Getting in a strop about tabloid hype is like getting in a strop about the world being round. Absolutely pointless.

    For what it's worth, myself - any many other regular English people - don't realistically see England getting past the QF. We simply don't play well enough as a team.

    But please, carry on with the predictable anti-English sentiment. It's rather amusing, and I'd expect nothing less from a Scot.
     
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    Love it lol. Funny thing is if the scotts and the Irish are doing good we always back them but they hate us! Our only expectation is to go through the group phase, then its on us, we are the best equip t ever and have the best manager
     
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    Erm, no. 99% of people are saying we won't win it. The consensus is that if England get to the semi finals then they will of had a very solid tournament. Everyone knows Brazil and Spain are by the far the best teams, a loss in the semi's in nothing to be ashamed of.

    It's funny, the two people i've heard backing England to win this week have been Luca Toni from Italy and Messi talked up England's chances also.

    It is pretty funny, isn't it? :)
     
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    Who said anything about being anti-English? I just want to England to lose so that the media will finally shut up, but no that would be too much to ask wouldn't it? I'll tell you why because when England lose we're going to start hearing for days about "who is to blame?", like if someone misses a penalty, he's going to be lynched in the street mob style.

    I feel sorry for the team to be honest. Much like I feel sorry for Henman and Murray playing at Wimbledon. They are also hyped up to psychotic levels, you almost feel like there's going to be mass suicides when they lose.
     
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    Yeah well it's easy enough to be gracious when your team qualifies, and receives all the attention. I think what angers most of us in Scotland, Wales and Ireland is that England gets a vastly disproportionate amount of attention when all 4 teams qualify. Nobody in the English media would ever hype any of the other 3 teams to level that they hype England.
     
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    That made me lol.
     
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    Thats because the English media cater for the English people...
    There was enough attention on the Ireland hand ball thing. I mean they were asking for a rematch, stupid
     
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  40. West Coast Ace

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    I agree with this. The English don't seem to have the right mentality toward sports. The peaks and valleys are ridiculous. And ironic considering Kipling's famous quote hangs just inside the door at Wimby.
     
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    I got a feeling this will be a 0-0 match.
     
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    Thank god there's only one. :)

     
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