USO 2013 Men's Final - Nadal v. Djokovic (with poll!)

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Who will win the 2013 US Open?!

Poll closed Sep 9, 2013.
  1. Nadal in 3

    23 vote(s)
    9.6%
  2. Nadal in 4

    96 vote(s)
    40.2%
  3. Nadal in 5

    25 vote(s)
    10.5%
  4. Djokovic in 3

    13 vote(s)
    5.4%
  5. Djokovic in 4

    34 vote(s)
    14.2%
  6. Djokovic in 5

    48 vote(s)
    20.1%
  1. Bud

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    Who will hold up the trophy on Monday?! :)
     
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  2. 90's Clay

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    Wheres the poll??
     
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  3. 6-1 6-3 6-0

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    He's in the process of adding one.
     
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  4. Bud

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    You make the poll after the thread so there is a couple minutes of delay :twisted:
     
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  5. Mustard

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    This is what I want to see late on Monday:

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  6. Bud

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    BTW, I like anonymous polls so other users don't feel pressured to vote one way or the other ;)
     
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  7. granddog29

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    Nadal is in much better form, and does not have a mental block with Djokovic at this point. Nadal in 3 or 4 sets max.
     
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  8. Bud

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    Will he finally put all the demons of the 2012 A O to rest? :razz::mrgreen:

    If this was clay, I'd be confident Nadal would take it
     
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  9. 90's Clay

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    Rafa has had it nice going into the finals. Rafa-Nole matches generally come down to who is physically fitter with more in the tank towards those key moments at the end of the match.

    Nole's serve looks like its pretty exploitable as well while Rafa's is looking much better.

    Advantage Rafa. 4 sets. Maybe 3
     
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  10. Bud

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    Some people voting Nadal in 3 :) Be nice but I don't think so
     
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  11. bullfan

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    Why didnt you make a poll?
     
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  12. ilovetennis212

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    This is what will happen.
     
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  13. Towser83

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    Most likely is Nadal in 4, though he could even win in 3.

    However I'm going to go against the likely and say Djokovic in 5.
     
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  14. Blinkism

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    So evenly-matched are these two that it's impossible to make a call based on anything but gut feelings.

    Either Nadal in 4 or if he can't get it done in 4, I think the scales tip toward Djokovic in 5.

    Nadal in 4 is my call. 7-5, 6-4, 2-6, 7-6(6).
     
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  15. Clarky21

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    Cvac in straights. Nadal has trouble beating the mug version of Cvac much less when he is playing well. Nadal also played like crap tonight against Richie. This one will be no contest.
     
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    Djoker is playing alright but nowhere NEAR what he was in 2011 to early 2012. Which is what it takes for Nole to beat Rafa. Especially the current one


    Rafa I think figured out the Nole puzzle back in Australia of last year.
     
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  17. Towser83

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    Yet he won in straights (like I said, when you said he could lose) and Djokovic had a very tough match vs Stan (like i said which you said was crap)

    So I guess Nadal is winning easily, well done Ms Voodoo :lol:
     
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  18. bullfan

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    Novak loses 2 sets in SF, and looks like a mediocre pusher, Rafa loses 1 service break, no sets, and looks like he practicing!

    Typical.
     
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  19. Fiji

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    Where's Bertie B?
     
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  20. 6-1 6-3 6-0

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    Nadal leading the poll by a significant margin.
     
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    This is what I want to see.
     
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  22. Towser83

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    There was no puzzle.Every HC match since 2011 has been closely fought with the exception of the USO2011 final.

    IW2011, Miami2011, AO2012 and Canada2013 all went to a final set and whoever had the slight mental edge won.

    On clay Nadal is a better player so what happened in 2012 wasn't unusual, plus Djokovic went off the boil.This year Novak could well have been 2-0 vs Nadal on clay with wins at MC and a win at RG if he didn't stupidly fall into the net. Nadal almost gave that match away but Djokovic gave it back.

    They've been closely matched but whoever has the mental edge will sneak it. At the moment it's Nadal.
     
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  23. JustBob

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    Djoker in 5. Having to go through a real battle with Wawrinka will help him, Nadal's easy road will not, and he looked average today against Gasquet.
     
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    Gasquet has those softish, spinny balls in the rallies. Djokovic won't do that.
     
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  25. MichaelNadal

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    I have to work Monday night at 11pm. So Rafa better win!
     
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  26. Strategy

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    Overwhelming support for Nadal in 4!
     
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  27. dominikk1985

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    novak in 5.
     
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  28. Djokodal Fan

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    people forgetthat Novak pushed Rafa to the brink on his best surface.

    Rafa beating novak in a masters is similar to Novak's win over rafa in MC this year.

    Novak is a different best in HC slams. He has slight edge over Nadal overall.

    This is Novak's best surface, so you'll see stern fight. I just don't want him to start slow like he did today. Otherwise this should be novak in 4 or 5 sets .
     
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  29. Clarky21

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    But Cvac doesn't have to play at that level to beat Nadal. I will be amazed if Nadal even takes a set on Monday. He is playing too far back, too defensively, and his shots are dropping too short. Cvac will destroy him playing like that.
     
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  30. Tenez101

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    This is why I think Novak will (barely) win in 5 sets. Rafa has not been really tested, and might have peaked too early in the tournament.

    Plus, another consideration which people don't seem to be talking about is that Rafa does not like to be the favorite (which he definitely is at this point). Should he bring his early-tournament form on Monday however, I see Rafa in 4 tight sets.
     
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  31. bullfan

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    Novak has been playing like a guy who is a bit burnt out, and way to many outside commitments. Novak 2013 reminds me of Nadal 2011, busy hawking a book, and what not. This year Nadal hasn't played as much, and doesn't have all the distractions that Novak does. I think it's easier for Nadal to focus on tennis this year than it is for Novak.
     
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  32. Tenez101

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    Pretty sure Rafa will win the first set, Novak has had really slow starts in all his matches this tournament (and Rafa has had really fast starts).
     
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  33. ubi1

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    My Prayers are wid Nadal.:)
     
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  34. ubi1

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    I want Nadal to win but Novak under his skin just might do it thats my gut feeling.
     
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  35. ubi1

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    What did you expect?...Lol
     
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  36. Backspin1183

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    Nadal in 4. Neither of them is beating the other in straight sets in a Slam final.

    Novak's service game is not that solid. Berankis broke him, Becker served for the 1set in their, even Sousa broke his serve. Nadal in comparison has been solid on the service game. He's also taken on a inspired Kohlschreiber and beaten him convincingly after losing 1st set in TB.

    Nadal has been hitting the ball much harder than Djokovic and still made less UEs. Djokovic made way too many UEs against Stan today. If not for Stan's injury, the Swiss looked the better player.

    This may be Djokovic's best surface but Nadal's been the better player on the surface this season. The clay court specialist to lift his 2nd US Open title, his 3rd HC slam.
     
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  37. ubi1

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    The bold bit is so true.:)
     
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  38. Backspin1183

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    This is what I'm thinking too. Rafa starts very good at very high level, but then it's hard to maintain that level for him in the 2nd set. Novak will have his chance then.
     
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    I dont know what will happen in the first set but got feeling nole will win the 2nd set.
     
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  40. Backspin1183

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    Winning or losing the 2nd set isn't everything. Winning 3 sets is. If Nadal serves as well as he did in Cincy, Novak is in big trouble.

    Btw if Novak loses the final, he'd have played 12 slam finals and won 6 of them. Thats 50% success rate in Slam finals :shock:
     
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    Two days ago, given the same players in the final, I would have called a 5-set match with Djokovic winning.

    But after today's matches, I am calling a 4-set match with Nadal winning.

    The 3-set win by Nadal is superior to the 5-set win by Djokovic in the semifinals, not only because of the impressive score, but also the effect of each player's energy level the next day.

    Djokovic will be tired.
     
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  42. andrewski

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    I voted for Djokovic in 5 as well.

    For various reasons (mostly work), I did not watch whole Nadal matches in this US Open but everyone in my tennis club was raving about how great Nadal has been playing.

    Well, I watched his match against Gasquet and I could not see this greatness, sorry.

    Where were this flatter, powerful drives? Gasquet FH is lacking pace, so Nadal could cope, but will it work against Djokovic?

    He was leaving a lot of space on FH side for Gasquet to hit into, which would not be a great tactic when playing Djokovic.
    Maybe he was protecting his knees knowing that he will win anyway?

    After watching both matches today, I am not sure that Nadal would have won against Wawrinka (or maybe in five sets) playing like this.

    Lets hope quality of play in the final is better than semis. It is not exactly vintage USO, is it?
     
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  43. PSNELKE

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    I wasn't able to watch any tennis today.

    Could some of you guys give me a short summary on both matches. Nole-Wawrinka and Nadal-Gasquet. How did Nole and Ralph look out there?
    (Without the words: joke, cake and draw)
     
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  44. Clarky21

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    Not a chance. He's been indefatigable since the beginning of 2011, and I have not seen him tired on court one time since then.
     
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    I guess you didn't watch RG SF with Rafa in 2013. Novak was dying out there.
     
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  46. Towser83

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    i heard the stan vs nole match was really good, but i didn't see it. was it not good in your opinion?
     
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  47. Clarky21

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    Sure he wasn't. I didn't come up with the nickname Possum for him for nothing, you know.
     
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  48. nadalbestclass

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    Today was very interesting, for those of you who were not at the tournament the conditions from djoko/wawa and rafa/Gasquet were VERY different. First match was warm and sunny with little bit of wind here and there, second was COLD and really windy. I watched nadal live for every match except QF and he was much better than he was today. But Gasquet was matching him in several of the rallies much like Kohli but rafa made more UFE(seems that way I don't know the number.) I think it was a lot due to the weather conditions. People around me seemed to think so as well.
    Djoko was impressive in bursts, he was def better later in than in the beginning, Stan for some reason got super ****y and that's probably what got him in the end. After he smashed his racquet Novak knew he could get in his head, so he waited patiently and basically made use of every opportunity he got and let Stan do the rest.

    Rafa MUST come in confident on Monday and put history behind him. He's in a good place to do both of those things now and it will work in his favor. But for those saying nadal wasn't special today weather was a huge contributer.
     
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  49. Omega_7000

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    No chance in hell! Nadal is winning on Monday...Your jinxing is working. :-(
     
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  50. bullfan

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    It was mediocre. While, it went to 5, that belies the match. Had Stan not lost the break he had in the 2nd set, he would have won in 3. Novak looked like he played the additional 5 hours Stan did. Stan's game wasn't what it could have been. It wasn't a great 5 setter. You could tell Stan was feeling it from his earlier matches. Novak played as little as he had to to win.

    That said, Nadals match looked like a glorified practice session.

    I don't consider either of the SF to be high quality.

    Novak and Nadal did the least they needed to do, while both Stan and Richard did better than folks expected.
     
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