This is probably the best section of these forums. I am impressed by the level of historical erudition shown by some of you. In comparison, the board on match results is mostly full of histrionics and wild trolling. Now that I seldom play the game I am getting back into tennis from an analytical perspective, and I think I would like to deepen my knowledge of Lendl's career, since I followed it fairly closely until the late 80s, but unfortunately there don't seem to be any books about that. Yesterday I watched the 85 USO final and I will make a few comments about that. I wonder if there are some statistics on that match, especially in comparison with the 84 final, mainly to see whether the difference was due to a better Lendl or a worse McEnroe (to the extent this could be inferred from statistics). The CBS commentators, Trabert and Newcombe, did not provide very helpful analysis. They were rather lame and full of cliches. The first 7 games of the first set it looked for all the world like it was going to be easy work for McEnroe. He was outplaying Lendl in every department. Mac broke him at 15 on the second game of the match, and Lendl lost 4 straight games at love on Mac's serve. Serving at 2-5 in the first set, Lendl faced a set point. It looked extremely dismal for him. Sometimes you can zoom in on history and pinpoint a specific moment (not just a month or a tournament or a match, but a specific point in a match, where history turns a corner. This was it. Already down a break, but unable to react until then, it's as if this set point he was facing woke Lendl up and put him in a different zone. Facing set point and already down a break, Lendl misses the first serve. Mac comes in on Lendl's second serve and Lendl hits a clean forehand passing shot crosscourt. Deuce. In the next point, after a short rally Lendl comes in on a short ball to his forehand, approaching down the line, and hits a winning crosscourt forehand volley. In the next point, Lendl comes to net again after a few exchanges and Mac misses a lob. 5-3 McEnroe. By the next game, Lendl was a different person returning serve. McEnroe, now serving for the set, had not lost a point on serve yet. Lendl moved a few feet back to return serve and started blasting every return, with Mac unable to handle the pace and missing every volley. Lendl breaks at love. 5-4. From then on, Lendl never looked back. In the tiebreak he outrallied, outvolleyed and passed Mac every time, to win it 7-1. The match moved fairly quickly after that. Lendl stayed in his special zone and kept hitting passing shots out of McEnroe's reach at key moments. He also came to the net on his serve many times and was very solid on the volley. The most clear aspect of the dominance were the few rallies they had. Practically every single baseline rally ended with an overwhelmed McEnroe unable to handle Lendl's pace and placement. Amazingly, in the third set, when Newcombe asked Trabert what he thought McEnroe should change to try and turn things around, Trabert answered that he should try to rally a little bit more!!!. I thought that may have been a joke. Rally??. He has hardly won a rally all day long! I thought. But no, Trabert said it very seriously. What incredible nonsense these guys say sometimes!! Still, if there are any stats somewhere comparing these two finals (84/85) to try and extract some conclusions as to what changed most. I think on the one hand Mac may have been a bit tired (he had a tough semifinal with Wilander that went 5 sets), but then again, in 84, he had an even longer semifinal match with Connors the day before, if I recall correctly, so am not sure.