USPTA forehand wrong?

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  1. cheeseeaters

    cheeseeaters New User

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    http://www.uspta.com/html/e-lesson-Open stance forehand 1.swf

    On that uspta forehand instructoin video...why does it say when you hit a forehand, the shoulders turn first and then the hips? I thought the chain reaction, if you will, or will not(but hopefully will) begins wtih the legs, moves to the hips, shoulders, and arms. What is this? A travashamockery?????
     
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  2. sanitarium

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    First of all, when reading something like this one must question himself as to whether it even matters at all. upon such debate one would discover it doesn't and who cares.

    It's all a unit turn whereas all that stuff gets coiled anyway, I suppose you could move your arm before or after your shoulder if you kept it veered off purpose, just to defy the website...
     
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  3. cheeseeaters

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    First of all...I realize I phrased the question wrong-I was talking about uncoiling when you hit the forehand...it just doesn't make sense to me that the shoulder would turn first and then the hips. I thought that you would gain power from your hips and then shoulder....turning shoulders first to me just seems to nullify any point in turning hips...I just wanted this clarified..

    However, even if I was talking about the unit turn and the order in which you turns(which probably doesn't matter much like you said), why do you respond so rudely to just a question on an internet forum? Do you get some sort high from putting other people down? How at all does your first paragraph contribute anything productive here? It has the same value of saying giraffes can fly and roses eat bears.
     
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  4. Bungalo Bill

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    I think you can see that the text and how Agassi hits the ball is a little different. The legs are defintely allowing the body to rise slightly before the upper body rotation begins.

    I will be honest with you, sometimes the USPTA is either outdated on certain things or has "left" out key information on purpose and on accident.

    Some of the USPTA stuff is older then it should be as far as instruction. However, that doesnt mean all of the instruction is off. I would say 80 - 90 % of the information still applies today, while the other 10 - 20% should be rewritten and brought up to date.

    Since you know about the kenetic chain, not every tennis pro does it so that you can see it plainly. This Agassi video clearly shows his hips and shoulders rotating at about the same time and speed. But it was his legs that started to rise that IMHO started the stroke. So you could argue that his hips had to begin some kind of movement before the shoulders.

    There isn't a whole lot of "extra" things going on in Agassi's strokes. No fancy hip moves to initate rotation, no fancy forearm rotations. Which is why I believe his strokes are one of the best models for club players. Agassi is no-nonsense stuff. Just a get it done kind of player.
     
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  5. sanitarium

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    Well, that gem of contribution was done at 1am last night so don't take offense to it haha, the point was which I did state was everything became coiled so the order didn't necessairily matter, anyway my apologies.

    I just did a forehand and if you bring your arm across your body while you hit your shoulders and hips move consistently at the same rate, as you turn your hips to generate momentum and your shoulders turn to bring your arm to the ball so it's rougly the same time if this clears anything up.
     
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  6. cheeseeaters

    cheeseeaters New User

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    no problem sanitarium. Thanks for the imput guys
     
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