usta needs to change rule about players being able to play on 2 teams in the same div

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  1. 2ndServe

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    at sectionals we played a team with a roster of 20+ players. We played some guys in flight 1 and beat them. We won all 3 of our matches and would meet the winning team from flight 2 to determine who would go to nationals. As it turns out they had most of the same guys from flight 1 in their flight 2 team. Essentially they get two chances to win sectionals and advance to nationals. They were the better team the 2nd time around but to me this doesn't seem right that you get to enter twice, essentially giving you a mulligan if lyour team loses a match.
     
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  2. West Coast Ace

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    But they paid twice right? That's all the USTA cares about.

    That is ridiculous. But hardly surprising.
     
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  3. Cindysphinx

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    That cannot happen in the Mid-Atlantic section. No more than two players can be on the same team in the same division.

    So if 4.0 players A, B and C are on a Howard County 4.0 ladies team, then only two of them can be on any other ladies 4.0 team in the entire Mid-Atlantic section. Or even the same 4.5 team.

    I wonder why your section doesn't also have this rule.
     
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  4. OrangePower

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    I imagine that's not a national USTA thing, but rather is up to each section. Because here in NorCal, a player is only allowed to play for one team in the postseason (at any given level). If the player was on multiple teams in the regular season, he/she then needs to decide which single team to continue playing for in the playoffs.
     
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  5. NTRPolice

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    That seems so rigged lol. I dont think you're allowed to do that here. Ive never seen it, ever.

    I believe you're only allowed to play on two teams of different levels. I know some teams have multiple "chapters" but they dont share the same players.
     
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  6. JLyon

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    I would assume the district or section would require the players to choose a team to play on for the post season and once decided can not play for the other team.
     
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  7. jservoss

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    In the PNW section, a player may only compete on 1 team per rating level at sectionals. However, it does not bind that player for that team for nationals, so if the player's other team won, they could still compete in nationals.
     
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  8. dizzlmcwizzl

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    Middle states has a similar rule only with a 4 player limit.
     
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  9. dizzlmcwizzl

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    Same here in middle states
     
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  10. floridatennisdude

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    Was this in Southern section? I know there are times when NC/SC teams play in a league in each state.

    I don't think it matters. They had to win local, districts, state to get to sectional. That's not an easy thing to do.
     
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  11. 10sjunkie

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    If it was the Southern Section, a player would need to choose which team they are playing on at Sectionals. They aren't allowed to play on two teams at the same level.
     
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  12. catfish

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    The USTA national rules about this are below. Most Sections require that a player "declare a team" if they advance to Sectionals on more than one team at the same level. This happens frequently BTW. Many players lives in geographic areas where they can play in 2 different areas or Districts.

    1.04G(2) A player may play on only one team in an NTRP
    level within a Division in the same local league during the same season.
    In local leagues where NTRP levels are divided into flights, a player may
    not play in more than one flight.
    1.04G(3) A player may play up to one NTRP level above the
    player’s current NTRP level.
    1.04G(4) A Section may authorize participation in more than
    one NTRP level within a Division in the same local league during the
    same season.
    1.04G(5) A player may play on more than one team within a
    Division in the same season provided it is in separate local leagues. The
    Section has the authority to accept or deny participation.
    1.04G(6) A player who qualifies to advance to championships
    on more than one team may be required by the Section to choose which
    team he/she will represent.
     
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  13. 2ndServe

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    this was in southern california, meh this team knows how to work the system. They definitely had players playing in 2 flights in the same division in the post season.
     
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  14. floridatennisdude

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    1.04G(6) leaves it up to the Section to make the call.

    Side note: what about a player who lives in Jacksonville FL and plays on a JAX team as well as a Brunswick GA team? Two different sections. If both teams advance to Nationals, can he play both? Would be quite a feat!
     
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  15. catfish

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    Good question, but I don't know the answer. I have heard of people who qualified for Nationals on more than one team because they live 1/2 the year in one Section and 1/2 the year in another. I'm not sure whether they had to declare a team or not.
     
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  16. Cindysphinx

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    An improbable scenario, but a fun one to contemplate.

    Say 20 players form a team in both the FL and GA teams, and both teams go to Nationals. As luck would have it, they face each other in the finals.

    I guess one would have to default, thereby winning a national title. :)
     
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  17. West Coast Ace

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    Thanks for sharing that. I always assumed the USTA endorsed Sandbagging - now I know for sure.
     
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  18. kylebarendrick

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    How is that sandbagging?
     
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  19. catfish

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    They would be defaulting to themselves. I wonder if they would get into an argument with themselves over which team gets the default. :)
     
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  20. 2ndServe

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    The beauty of having so many players is the essentially could have team A and team B with the same roster. You only need 8 players to play 2 singles and 3 doubles. So you could finish 1st and 2nd or 3rd etc. If their A team plays their B team and one of them needs to win easily to advance in the flight, one team could tank it so the other has less sets/games lost in the pool and can advance.
     
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