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  1. 10isDad

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    Hopefully the thread will stay relatively untainted by rude comments and be a repository for the Southwest section's junior tennis scene.

    Manfred - a fair number of late sign-ups for the Sweet 16 should make it a good event. The 18s has most of the big guns in the mix, and a good event should ensue.

    It'll be interesting to see who gets in and who doesn't. Carlos should get into the draw based on his 16s ranking. James appears to be on the cusp. If James gets in, based on the rankings as they are today, it'd push a deserving player (McDaniels) out of the draw. Chalmers isn't signed up, but they've been known to sign up via phone and/or snail mail. If he did enter the draw, it could push Salvatore out.

    Still only 9 players signed up for the boys 18s for the Closed. It's still early, and my guess is it'll eventually fill up, but people sure aren't clamoring to sign up early.
     
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    Yes it will be interesting which of the top B18s gets "stabbed" to make room for younger players. Bermudez as an admitted "given" because of his abilities and B18 record, inargueable- The "800 pound gorilla in the room" (in more ways than one).
    But how many more younger players is up in the air. You would figure they would want to do well in their own age group- But who knows who is making those decisions for them.

    Predicting the BUBBLE is always good sport- But I feel bad- No one should be just "outside"......
    The worst case scenario would be pushing a B18 (in the top 16) out . I doubt SWUSTA selection committee is that slow, and there has always been enough room that should not happen- Now, B18s ranked #20 or so? Exciting cutoff arguements to be made. Tucson an easier destination for most to make it to (Vs. ALBQ.)

    The sign ups for ALBQ. is not a good indication (so far) I still bet they don't fill the B18s card (32 players), with no out of district players allowed, and the B16s who normally poke their head in, in this case, wanting the 16s national points.
     
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    ^^^Montoya, Lineberry are all in the top 16 in the 18s, so even though they're eligible for 16s points, they're not really pushing anybody out. Saleem's ranking is high enough to get in because of players like Delafuente and Cooper not applying. Bermudez's 18s ranking isn't high enough and his 18s record doesn't matter. however, the fact that he's top 3 will get him in.

    The only other younger guy is Carr. He's ranked #6 in the 16s. They usually only take 2 players from the younger division. It used to be they had to be top 5 in the younger age group, but they now have a lot of leeway. Hopefully they'll look at some head-to-head stuff.
     
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    From what I've heard. The Sedona tournament will have some old players in it. Apparently want to play on some clay before going off to college.
     
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    ^^^If you're talking about the Sedona Jr. Open, there's a contingent of SW players that have attended Larry's camp for several years. Camp attendees get automatic entry into the tournament. The constants at the camp have been Lineberry (duh), Hyman, Chalmers, Salvatore & Spizman + some local Sedona/Flagstaff residents. Many other players have attended the camp at some time or another, but not every year, including Currell, Paulson, Mayer, Tehrani, Bal, Ge. A few other players generally make it up for the tournament but not the camp, such as Sehorn, Shapiro, Laurel, etc.

    The camp isn't cheap, so it'll be interesting to see who is willing to fork over several hundred dollars. While it's a decent camp, it's still a camp. That means relatively little one-on-one time, generally lots of drills and point play that these kids normally get at their usual place of learning (at significantly less cost). It ends up being a good way for guys who don't normally train together to spend a solid week working out with each other 5 to 6 hours per day. The instructors are generally good: Larry and Greg Prudhomme this year and last.
     
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    Yes sir, This is the tournament I was saying. Sedona is also beautiful that time of year..
     
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    Good experience to learn to get along with others for an extended time- Learn more about other players, or just go up for the tournament, and enjoy Sedona.
     
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    Whats the story on the SW- and - USTA tournament system?

    It must have "Frozen"/"Jammed" yesterday-
    Randolph can't post this weekends matches
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    Racquet Club can't post selected players for Sweet 16....
    In this case, it looks like they were at "B"s and the system broke down-

    I guess we all standby and hope/watch for system to come back up
     
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    ^^^Dunno - I find it interesting they list Barrios as a "Competitor", when based upon his ranking, he likely won't get in (unless they do 2 flights).
     
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    Doesn't say "may be flighted"

    When have they had flighted Sweet Sixteens? Esp. when there is only one location for tournament? Wasn't that the point and set up of the "Sweet Sixteen"? Why call it that instead of Sweet 32 then?

    This may be a typo, but typo an entire name?
    A long shot may be that this is a stinging status report on B18s participation, (unless you have access to other information or the names run).
     
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    13 of the top 16 applied + another 13 applicants. As for flighted Sweet 16s, there have been some. The most recent I remember was the 2008 Tanoan, which had J Matthews upsetting A Cooper in the boys 18s. There were 2 flights for both 16s and 18s. The 2nd flight had fewer points and it didn't count for national rankings.
     
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    Unrelated to the above but relevant to some other comments you've made, Manfred: both Dunn and Nguyen are signed up for the SW Closed. My guess is it'll be the last SW tournament they play. I wouldn't doubt if they' played the USTA National in Denver (they did last year with Nguyen winning it). I know they're planning on playing Kalamazoo.
     
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    Now where did you find the information about "13 of the top 16 applying" on any available source? I mean, where on earth could any member of the SWUSTA pull up that kind of information?

    The news where the two are going to split the finals of the SW tournament between them one last time is not too hard to figure; But the part about who has signed up for the Sweet 16s, now that I can't see on any site (not even now, since it's frozen up).
     
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    The tournament website: click on Applicants and apply the B18s filter.
     
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    Thanks for reminding me again...
    Pretty exciting couple tournaments coming up all right.
     
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    carr sign up for 16s i think he must have sign up for the wrong age group.
     
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    He signed up for 18s but told the director if he didn't qualify for 18s, to put him in 16s. Happens fairly frequently.
     
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    If that's the case, it's good the Director took immediate action and advised so he switch back and enter.... The Top 16 in Boys 18s really packed the spots this time.
    Frankly, if I was in that position, I might of saved my money for ALBQ- Not much more to prove in B16s unless the points for endorsements that close.
     
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    i dont understand why i am not seeded in this sweet sixteen i am ranked ahead of Gregory Anderson and he is the 4 seed. Now i am going to have a horrible draw
     
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    It's hard to accept, but everything draws and seeds tend to "even out" in the long run.... You will end up getting some outstanding draws, too, when you really need one.
     
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    yeah but this is right before the closed so it could have a major effect on that
     
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    Good. You're young. It's the point of tournaments to get match play to improve. Stop focusing on draws, wins/losses and go out and play. You'll improve ten fold if you stop worrying about seedings, win/lose, who beat who and just focus on playing tennis. If you're able to do that, able to play tournaments for the sole purpose of improving then you will get so much better. Focus on the sole purpose of improving, don't get caught up in the name game or who has more points. You'll be better for it in the end,
     
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    aight thanks guys


    i just want to know why i am not seeded not so worried about my draw now its just weird how i am 3 spots higher than him and he is seeded above me
     
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    I agree, at the age your are talking about right now... Try and just play and enjoy doing your best-

    There are some University guys that I know who are good teamates and all, but win or lose they just don't get too emotional about it afterward- Intense during the match with the fist pumps or the "lets go" and all; But after, they just go back to being "normal" - relaxed- Like a job.

    Frankly, you are correct in your suspicions- The SWUSTA plays favorites, and he is the current poster boy;
    They do not penalize players equally, and frankly allow players to continue to play when they should be suspended.

    ALBQ and El Paso both have this great BBQ place- Rudy's country store and BBQ
    The one in El Paso is along the freeway as you are coming in- The Rudy's in ALBQ
    is north on the freeway (40)- Like north from the Jerry Cline tennis center (the one that looks like Gitmo- with all the boxed in fencing).

    The place gets busy at times, and pricey (because you can't stop buying everything on the menu).
     
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    Is there really such a thing as a "good draw" in the Sweet 16? Rarely are there easy matches. Certainly drawing the 1 or 2 seed is rarely fun especially since good points can only be attained when moving due east.

    I have lobbied w/ Larry and Eric about giving more points to the other directions. Most of the participants only get points for this tournament due to significant win points, not actual match wins. I know several people that have gone 2 & 2 and have gotten zero points.

    I would ask other people to appeal to the junior competitive committee about this same topic. Maybe it'll be changed someday.
     
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    TDad... Glad you could make it today-

    I was thinking yesterday afternoon about how the Sweet 16 W-L works
    Am I looking (statisically right) at this?

    1 guy goes 4-0, 1 guy goes 0-4
    1 guy goes 3-1, 1 guy goes 1-3
    the rest are 2-2 in some variation...

    And if you don't take your first match (like drawing #1 seed) and you go..
    L-W-L-W or L-W-W-L you are pretty much hosed, is what you are saying?

    There is way too much placed on that 1st win.
     
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    Actually:

    4-0 = 1 (WWWW)
    3-1 = 4 (WWWL, WWLW, WLWW, LWWW)
    2-2 = 6 (WWLL, WLWL, WLLW, LLWW, LWLW, LWWL)
    1-3 = 4 (WLLL, LWLL, LLWL, LLLW)
    0-4 = 1 (LLLL)

    All non-east matches are 100 points per round. So some 2-2 players get 200 points + significant win points while others get 300 (winning the first round is worth an extra 100 points). The guy who goes 2-2 but wins 2 east matches gets 420 points.

    So same record - much different point scheme. Even more of a shame, take Lineberry. At the last Sweet 16, he won the west, therefore went 3-1. He got 300 points + significant win points. Patrick Taylor went 2 & 2 but got 420 points + significant win points.
     
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    The point distribution is below:

    WWWW 660

    WWWL 540
    WWLW 480
    WLWW 400
    LWWW 300

    WWLL 420
    WLWL 300
    WLLW 300
    LLWW 200
    LWLW 200
    LWWL 200

    WLLL 200
    LWLL 100
    LLWL 100
    LLLW 100

    LLLL 0
     
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    I'm sure everyone appreciates you knocking out the stats, and the detailed work.... (At least I knew there would be one 4-0 and one 0-4). And of course, chart does not take signifcant points in.

    It looks pretty clear that a first "W" means almost more anytime than even a first "L" then winning out- Drawing a seed just isn't good.

    In this B18s- out of 16 players, 8 will make out; But 4 of those are seeds and heavy favorites to take the first top four spots

    Looks like a good time to copy your last two entries and everyone tape 'em to their mirrors.
     
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    Here at Quiksilver/Roxy. Another poor outing for the Southwest. Only a handful of SW players at a national event only 4-6 hours from the 2 big SW cities.

    3 players in the 18s - 4 if you count H Driver, though she no longer trains in the SW- all lost 1st round. 2 drew seeds, however. In the 16s, only E Medlin won a main draw match. The only SW kids really producing are the Hedderig boys, both of whom have won two matches with relative ease. (Don't know about 12s - I didn't look to see if anybody was playing).

    The 18s site is brutal. About 100 degrees but because of the proximity to a golf course and pools, the humidity is significantly higher than Phoenix/Tucson.
     
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    I knew there were some really tough players from So. California that were signed up- But they were NOT publishing draws earlier than the start of the tournament.
    In the Sweet 16s B18s draws looks like they split the players almost directly down the middle- It would be an upset if the first matches did not play exactly down as you would predict, like with only 1 toss up, maybe- Which will make both directions pretty tightly matched in the 2nd round.
     
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    yeah sweet 16 going to be some good matches on the first day i really want to watch nick and andy play second round and haffor and dom and dunn and carlos good matches.................
     
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    Looking at the latest version SWUSTA.... When I said someone was the new favorite and "poster child" I didn't think it would be taken to heart :)

    Also looked at SW Open article, where it said @ "300 players" attended last year; I'm afraid its not going to hit that number for ALBQ unless @ 150 MORE sign up in the next 4 days. It may be the economy- Getting back and forth to ALBQ, unless 1/2 the number always wait until the last minute to sign up?
    We have to wait and see if the decision to move the tournament was just bad timing with the downturn in participation.

    I think in these times, unfortunenately, to keep a larger group participating, (maybe) there should be fewer tournaments outside Phoenix- I know it's a terrible option to isolate other towns, but if fewer show, what's the advantage of not being flexible, changing with the flow?
     
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    ^^^Seems like they should be showing the photo of somebody who's actually performing well on the national level: M. Clarke just won the Roxy for her age group...why not show her?; A Lawson & Jake Hedderig are the others that come to mind.
     
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    Andy and Nick - Personally I don't think it'll be that close. Andy hits the ball too flat and too deep. Nick's normal play is to grind it out so the other player makes the error. Certainly nothing wrong with that and he's very, very good at it - especially since he's probably the fastest guy in the SW. But, Andy doesn't make that many errors. He hits it flat and deep. I see Nick pushed back near the fence in this one.

    As for Haffor and Dom, are you looking at the draw? They're on opposite halves. If they play, they wouldn't play until the 3rd or 4th match. Frankly, I don't see it happening. While Haffor's darned good, Urquidi's got to be the favorite. As for Dom, he has to get by Lorenz - it's a tall order, but Dom's going to be the favorite in that matchup.

    I would love to see Carlos play Andy. I think it'd be an interesting match-up, much more so than the Carlos v Garret match that looks fairly inevitable. Frankly, if both players keep their serves to the other's backhand the majority of the time, it could be a dull match. Bermudez has wicked spin and Garret won't hurt him off the backhand wing. On the other hand, Carlos has never been a consistent returner from the BH side. If they serve appropriately, there will likely be more missed returns than there will be rallies.

    My eastward 2nd round predictions:

    Nguyen over Montoya
    Urquidi over Saleem
    Lineberry over D Bermudez
    Dunn over C Bermudez

    East 3rd round:

    Nguyen over Urquidi
    Dunn over Lineberry

    East finals:
    Nguyen over Dunn
     
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    The draw falls sharp like a tailor's crease in the first round- No real "pick 'ems"
    EXCEPT I have Stockton over Lineberry, and an Urquidi upset.
    If not that, then Lineberry V. Haffor rematch from last weekend (for the West).

    You have Dunn over Lineberry which is a neat trick when there are both "Bs" between that match up happening...
    But you have studied Dunn/Carlos match up much more closely- And you have been hitting your picks (too bad it isn't a football card).

    Dominic is kind of interesting because he may not be up to his "historical" watermark anymore, This weekend may help answer that- He could end up with some tough matches in the Closed, depending on the draw.

    I'll go with the PV "Bs", only because I want to see the ironic outcome of having to send them to represent the SW this summer.
     
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    what about the 16s any upsets you think? or good matches?
     
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    I like T. Cooper to be seen around the finish, I don't think he is getting enough credit... Maybe he has had other priorities lately.
     
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    i thinkwe will see dom bermuzez over lineberry...
     
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    I think you are looking past Taylor Stockton a bit; Check his record... he is a hot/cold type- but he hasn't been "cold" for quite a while. And I'll go one further, should he match up against Dominic, I'll take Stockton there, too.
     
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    You're correct about Stockton. I like Lineberry over Stockton only because it seems Lineberry's been doing more tourney's. As for if Lineberry meets D Bermudez, the last time they played was in state with Lineberry winning the 1st 6-1 & not finishing because Palo Verde had already won. I also like Stockton over D Bermudez if they meet.
     
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    Picking up more entries to the SW event in ALBQ..... I think it's sitting at 23
    (B18s).
    Having a "full" card- 32 entries would go a long way toward not sitting around a lot Saturday thru Tuesday; Otherwise it will come down to @ 1 single and 1 double a day.
     
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    ok thanks... thats interesting...lineberry sure has improved if he beat dom 6-1
     
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    i guess bermudez beat stockton...6-1 6-2...also stockton beat lineberry 6-2 7-6
     
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    I think Andy would beat C-Dom rather easily. Last time I saw C-Dom play his footwork and footspeed weren't that impressive so I can see Andy's deep, flat balls into the corners giving C-Dom quite a bit of trouble.
    Granted, last time I saw him play was quite a few months ago so I don't know if any of that has changed.
     
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    i think i agree aswell... andy over dom or carlos... however i dont think they would go down w/o a fight so they will have 2 tight sets or split...
     
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    well looks like garret beat carlos but lost to dom 6-3 6-3... now its a dom bermudez, andy final
     
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    Dominic played great this tournament. He switched to a new racquet: using the yellow Babolat. Hitting with much more power and depth. Definitely deserved to win.

    Yesterday, Montoya had Nguyen on the ropes. Montoya receiving up 5-2 and loses 5 straight. My guess: he realized that he was about to beat the #1 guy and choked. Mentally, he was probably down today, which likely contributed to his 3 & 1 loss against Saleem.

    The match of the day, in terms of score, was boring yet exciting at the same time. Garret Dunn v. Carlos Bermudez. It was tremendously dull: like watching Sampras against Ivanesevic on grass in the 90's. Very few points lasted longer than 3 shots. In the end, even though Dunn won the match, Bermudez showed he has more game. I kid you not, Dunn literally only won 3 points the entire match from the backcourt. Either Dunn or Carlos hit an ace, had a missed return, volley winner or a passing shot. When Bermudez got Dunn's serve back, he usually won the point - often with a blazing return winner. Carlos's serve has to be 10 to 15 mph faster than Garret's. Garret was smart and served mainly to the weaker backhand return side of Bermudez. There had to be close to 40 aces total between the two players.
     
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    dang that was crzy for dom! he beat andy 7-6 6-2 i think
     
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    10isdad,

    do you have any pics from tucson sweet 16 and will you be taking pics at the sw jr closed?
     
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