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  1. floridakeys

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    Found this podcast interview with Chris Lewis on..

    http://www.*********e1510.com/

    He has some interesting points regarding Quick Start, junior development, and USTA politics.. What does everyone think?
     
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  2. floridakeys

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    google tennis zone chris lewis.. it seems the website url cannot be written here..
     
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  3. seminoleG

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    Candid, and the dynamic of the institution vs Individual having the same goal but colliding paths cannot be discussed enough..
     
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    Chris Lewis is absolutely correct, the USTA is a big bureaucracy where everybody protects their job by "inventing" all these new programs.

    Great post florlidakeys!
     
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  5. TennisCoachFLA

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    Its like him and I had our brains separated at birth! Unreal, we think exactly alike on every part of this issue. And it just seems like such basic common sense.

    Thanks for the post.
     
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    TCF,
    I like the fact he advocates no specific or mandated way. We had a Travel Soccer tourney this weekend. I can't stress how letting my daughter compete with very skilled soccer players allows us to get a weekend of fitness and foot work not a raquet or ball in sight.

    So many ways to eat this elephant we need a supporting entity to help not direct. Still waiting on names and addresses of QS academies for us to attend since SO MANY hi performance coaches are advocating. Honest, not kidding we want to try a few weeks. Still waiting USTA.
     
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  7. TennisCoachFLA

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    I promised not to bash Quickstart and won't. I am more looking at the big picture, overall USTA junior development.

    I would have loads of scouts, reviewing video, attending tournaments, getting leads from tennis coaches. Go look at kids from ages 5-12. Track the promising ones, keep tabs, if the promise continues look for ways to supplement their training. Kind of what mentors do with the AAU basketball kids. Find them, woo them, help them develop. Make it market forces, the best performing scouts make more money.

    The USTA should just be the nice old grandpa, helping out. No need for its own high performance facilities.
     
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    Yup. He is a high performance guy. He said the kids who show lots of promise at a young age, the ones who might be Davis Cup caliber players some day, should not use it in his opinion. Perhaps he has some kids for my half of our experiment.

    He was not talking about the rest of kids. I doubt he has any issue with it being used in some capacity. He said he just didn't like mandates.

    I realize, and I bet he realizes, that our reality is not folks in your position's reality. Most kids play tennis just for some fun and exercise. We are using our theory to try to develop some great players in the future. We may be wrong, time will tell.
     
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  10. Pro_Tour_630

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    Just one question who decides who to fund directly? it will end up bureaucratic by nature, how do you know who is the best player to be funded directly, scouts? OK I think my son is the best player and I want funding $100,000.00 now so I the parent can decided where (TCF) to spend this money ( TCF I will cut a deal with you remember no tournaments and the scout) :) It will end up in a process with a whole list of procedures to follow, tax implications, quid pro ques, ear markings etc.... and get mucked up in favoritism in the end.

    Little Johnny: hey Grandpa just give me the money ( $50 million from us open) so That I can do whatever I want with it, I know what I am doing, just like with all those what have you investments and worthless things I bought in the past, only this time it is different :)
     
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  11. TennisCoachFLA

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    The scouts would get paid a flat salary with bonuses for kids that end up ranked top 16s, top 18s, or win certain tournaments.....a big payoff if they crack top 200, top 100, etc.

    I don't get your last paragraph. Since the USTA has never funded individual players or private coaches, those individuals have never wasted a dime. So why would they be asking Grandpa for another chance when they haven't even done anything yet?

    Look, these are just wild ideas thrown around on the internet. None of them will ever be even considered. The USTA will do things the same way they always have. High performance hasn't produced even one pro since it first started in Key Biscayne 1999. Whatever, good luck to all, good night.
     
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  12. seminoleG

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    AAU Basketball has figured this out. If you wonder how they continue to churn out the best Basketball players at a Junior Level use their model. Kids from all over the USA.

    Also look up ODP (Olympic Development Program) Soccer. It has several Camps and once they identify Junior Players they then Follow them. They also require they play in several tournaments and they chart them.

    So the process is:
    1- Kids/Coaches/Scouts/Whoever identifies a kid.
    2- Kid attends a series of Mandatory Camps (regionalized) located throughout US seperated by year group not skill level
    3- Camps Drill and play
    4- Kids that make the cut (list published each year) are then funded
    5- Progress Tracked (they were good enough to make the cut so their coach/parents/.... method is working)

    This process in soccer produces top teams year after year.
    This process in AAU produces some of the best Basketball players year after year
    This process requires boots on the ground.
    This process gets the best players not the players with the best records

    Yes their is administration but difference is RESULTS. A case worker that produces nothing is no longer employed.
     
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    Talent Identification is the Key

    Pro - If you can't do that then you and TCF are correct.

    Junior's with resources skew this. Right now the #3-5 G10s all play everyday and privately coached 6 hours min per week.

    So is that a Talent?

    I argue that a good coach can take any Junior with moderate coordination and produce wins.

    The Talent Identification process has to be able to see this and apply an appropriate methodology to account for it.
     
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  14. maggmaster

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    Out of curiosity seminole, what would you say the talent differential is? How much of a difference does talent make between two players who practice an equivalent amount, are at the same fitness level and have the same physical gifts( height, muscle recruitment, etc)?
     
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    True. A system of scouts and talent identification would have to demand results in ITFs also. Beating a top 10 ranked ITF kid would result in points toward funding.

    Pro Tour is correct, it would be a system where tricks and favoritism could play a role. Thats why a very clear performance incentive would have to be in place once the kid hit age 15.

    Kids 5-10 just track and help lightly fund the promising ones with equipment and 3 hours a week coaching paid for, kids 11-14 start to separate out the most promising and fund more, kids at 15 start to demand major results at top tournaments, including ITFs.

    Keep the scouts in line with incentives. If a certain percentage of their 5-10 year old picks bomb, they lose bonus money. You won't play favorites and pick bad kids if your bonus is on the line. You can have regional camps where the picks compete in fun but challenging drills at age 11-14.....any totally obvious favoritism kids who can't play are weeded out, scout put on notice.

    It can work, the bugs could be worked out over time, it would take major stones by someone at USTA to implement.
     
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    Ahhh Maggmaster,

    This past weekend I thought about just that. If I had to invest $$$$ into 6 Girls to make a soccer team who would I pick. One team had a girl that ran all over the field but could never seem to get in position for a goal. Another girl scored at will, another had great footwork but just slow.

    Impossible for me to pick, UNLESS I saw the USA Junior Soccer team and what the most successfull players looked like at that age. So until I knew what that looked like how could I pick?

    Wasn't the USTA looking at Capriati, Williams, Everett? If not why not, and if so are they one of a kinds or do you see them in others?

    That is where the 50 pound head guys use past performance/present performance and whatever they can to GUESSTIMATE.

    Until this system in in place for a good grouping (say start now 5+ years???)to get thru you just don't know.

    Look at NFL. The Scouting Combine (relative is a Scout for NFL Team) I go with him to the Senior Bowl and other places to test players (he has PHD Psych) With all the money and resources they STILL GET IT WRONG!

    Jamarcus Russell/Ryan Leaf/.......... Just to name a few.

    So you take a sample of all kids using some past data. Big/Small/Fast/Slow/Smart/not so smart/
    See how they do and adjust and you will get a better than 50% solution.

    Once again if you look at the NFL, I use this because this is the pinnacle of talent identificaiton (money and resources) they Mostly get it right.

    But they build a Physical and Mental model of what the perfect player is and see how far or close to that a prospect is. Even with all this they miss but have decades of data(many undrafted GREATS!)

    Key pont as the model changes they adjust, and adjust and adjust.

    So to answer your question
    I would have them play Basketball, Volleyball, Field Hockey..... Let them play Tag, Wii, board games......
    The Competitors will rise, the more athletic will show, the strategic thinkers will shine. Evaluate them away from the Tennis Court that will level the playing field.
     
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  17. TennisCoachFLA

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    seminole....I wouldn't care about Wii or soccer or anything else to indicate talent or competitiveness.

    I would keep it simple. Some boys can score a basketball in traffic despite being a little slower. Some boys have handle. Some are great competitors. Basketball keeps it simple, they have them play. The best move on to play the best. The scouts and coaches look for things while they actually play basketball.

    Same in tennis. Some kids don't let the technique fail under pressure. Some may have less technique but get to every ball and never give up. Some kids have natural racquet head speed and their balls have a natural heaviness to them. Some kids have the knack for finding the open court and constructing points.

    I would have my scouts watch the kids play tennis in specially designed drills and practice matches. Design the drills to look for technique under pressure and heart, etc. Look for kids that have the 'it' for tennis.

    The kids with less tennis experience look for other things on court. How quickly they pick stuff up. Natural athletic ability, never quit trying to reach a ball.
     
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  18. maggmaster

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    So you would create a tennis combine. No match play though?
     
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  19. TennisCoachFLA

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    Yes I would have match play. However trained coaches know what to look for in match play. Match play can bring out the worst in some kids just trying to win.

    There is a line between a kid who is defensive and smart and one who pitty pats just to win, lots of variation on the 'pusher' theme. So I would indeed have match play, scouted by folks who know what to look for.

    I want to find kids who will win when they are 18 not just when they are 12.
     
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  20. Delano

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    This was a really insightful interview. Thanks for posting it.

    The problem with heavy handed regulation is that no plan, no matter how good, will turn crappy tennis coaches into good ones, but it will stymie good coaches (or drive them from the field altogether).

    Chris Lewis's approach seems to be: identify talent, both in players and coaches, and support it. Give options like quick start, but don't mandate them - allow talented players and coaches the autonomy to make decisions, and let results speak.

    On a different point - a lot of people here seem to dislike the quick start equipment. I don't care much for the foam balls either, but I've found that the lower net has made a huge difference in how much my kid (5yo) enjoys the game. We use ordinary tennis balls (though I prefer slightly old, flat ones), and I put a $40 mini net across the garage. I should point out that I'm not a tennis coach, and I never give technical instruction, we just knock the ball around. But he does have a better time with the lower, flatter ball, and because I don't have to worry about the high bounce after clearing a high tennis net, we can play at a better pace.

    Most people don't seem to have any real problem with quickstart for very young kids, though, the main gripe seems to be 1) that it's mandated, and 2) they're pushing it for kids long past the 5yo age.
     
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  21. TennisCoachFLA

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    What an excellent post.
     
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  22. seminoleG

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    Sort of but as they do in AAU or Soccer have several of these, so you get a kid on a good or bad day they can recover.

    Not straight match play but points in some format.

    You cannot even get into AAU or Soccer ODP without some track record of success.

    Key point is what is the model for success. If they have data now use it. If not you got to get it.

    IMHO you are lookkng to increase the odds of producing winners. Combines in some sort give you better than a 50% chance.

    let the Fort Valley state guy compete agains the UF guy. Was it the program or is he a Talent?
     
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  23. BMC9670

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    Yes, as TCF said, excellent post. As someone who has used QS as A PART OF a development strategy for my YOUNG kids, I agree. Give coaches/parents a range of tools and let them apply them to their unique situation. a Mandate does not fit every unique situation.
     
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    Sum it up the Physical and the Mental:
    Should a Good Tennis player be pretty dam good at other ahtletics?
    -A Good Athlete will be pretty dam good at a lot of things
    -A well trained Athlete will be pretty dam good at what they are trained at
    -A winner may or may not be a good or great athlete, but is strong mentally and technically well rounded but most important can apply what they have learned in lots of situations.

    Lost of combinations IMHO for juniors (talking juniors ~5 - 8 ) playing on a tennis court could mask faults. Placing in an environment where most have not played much or received little instruction will yield more information.

    As I have said before my daughter is a mimic. Show her how to Bowl once and she will do exactly what you did. Take on a BBall court shoot a layup and bang she's got it. Some see this as gifted athletic ability. I don't her ability to mimic lets her concentrate on the little details. Her coach's marval at this but I say it is no different then having an ear for music. Doesn't mean you can play, but when when you do learn how to play you can create music easier then others.

    A Gifted athlete to me, doesn't need you to show them, you can tell them or they just do it :).

    Now don't get me wrong this is Weird Science at the highest degree. Remember Renaldo Nehimah's football, or Johnny Lamb Jones or all the other Great Track Athletes that couldn't play a lick of football. Then flash forward to Herschel Walker, Bo Jackson there is a difference between well trained and gifted/great athletes.
     
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  25. Pro_Tour_630

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    dunno:confused:, the hockey and the soccer development in our area is highly POLITICAL, it is who you know that is how you get in, usually coaches kids etc........
     
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    Hey I am all for this system but i am afraid of the above outline will happen eventually. how do you lightly fund the 5-10? based on how they do in matches?, it will be opinions and they are highly subjective riddled with tricks.
     
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  27. TennisCoachFLA

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    I would allow the scouts a set number of finds per year. The kids they feel are good bets get free equipment and 3 hours per week private coaching paid for from ages 5-10. The scouts get reports from the private coaches. As the kids age the scouts get bonuses if the kids reach certain milestones, culminating in any kid that gets various pro rankings.

    Similar to the baseball scouting system. A bad scout gets canned, a good scout makes money. It has to be highly incentive laden to prevent favoritism or politics from the scouts.
     
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    Hockey and soccer require lots of bodies for teams and training, so the chances a talented kid gets left out because of a coaches kid or well connected kid is less. Individual sports are different.
     
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  29. Freak4tennis

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    USTA Jr Tennis (L1's down to L3's) do not have qualifier events prior to the main event. The USTA is the ONLY system in the world (the entire world) that does not have a qualifier event prior to the start of the main draw.

    32 draws should be made into 24 direct with 8 more brought in from a 64 quali
    64 draws should be made into 48 direct with 16 brought in from a 64 or 128 quali.

    Every ITF Junior event, Pro Circuit event, Challenger event, ATP event and grand slam event has a quali. Even Pro Circuit events held in the US have qualis.

    Every child should have an opportunity to gain an entry in the main draw by signing up for a quali if they do not get a direct entry.
     
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    Ahhh so what all those parents paying $$$$ to chase points. You mean a girl/boy that just practices and hits Quali's beats up on seeded point chasers is wrong:twisted:

    Then why would anyone pay $$$$ for entry to get points if there is another path:confused:
     
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    I understand your premise but not sure this is the cure for chasing points. Do parents and players internationally not chase points? To gain entry to the quailfying you'll still need a ranking to get in. Playing the lower Level 4 and 5's along with high sectional rankings still act as a way to qualify by rank for the higher nationals.

    Traveling our section which is a very good competitive wise is about all we can do to satisfy my kids desire to compete. In many cases the sectional tournaments are enough of a test. I'm not convinced the playing nationals is all that important except of the very few top players anyway. Now if you're in a weaker section maybe.

    I see results from some of the ITF's where some of the kids from other countries appear to have traveled a long way, only to get stommped.

    There is not magic formula. Forcing 10 and unders to play only mini-tennis I don't believe is the answer. One factor I see with all good players pro and junior is parent involvement. Not saying its always good involvement but parent supporting the kid is key. Relying on the USTA or a federation to develop a player is a joke IMHO>
     
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  32. TennisCoachFLA

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    How about a qualifier lottery for big tournaments? Buy a USTA membership, then you can put your kid's name into the pool for qualifying. Make it tough, only the top 2 or 4 qualifiers get in. I think it would be pretty cool. Some kid who practices against college players and adults, off the radar, shows up and wins a big tournament.
     
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  33. Freak4tennis

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    That was good. Here are a couple quick links of the benefits that I think arise from qualis.

    This player played the Eddie Herr Quali

    http://www.tennisinformation.com/tourny/1/1/0/1/1/8/2/profile.asp?id=-210680647

    And although the results don't appear to be posted. He also had to play in this quali

    http://www.tennisinformation.com/tourny/3/0/3/6/1/2/3/profile.asp?id=-418700817

    I'm sure that many will say that I pulled the one of a million. But if I spent more time on it I'm sure I could find many more who have reaped the benefits of coming into their own through quali and wild card tournaments.
     
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    Welcome to LTA world! What you have described is exactly the process the LTA have now over here. We have a network of Talent Performance Coordinators performing your step 1, each looks after 2 or 3 counties and so on through your steps. I'll let you make your own conclusions about whether the fact that the LTA are doing it makes it worthwhile or not!!!

    The only time we are going to produce players on a consistent basis is when the Governing Bodies realise it isn't their job to make players.

    Cheers

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  35. TennisCoachFLA

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    Does the LTA just fund the private coaches and butt out of the development? Or do the kids have to be assigned an LTA coach? To me thats the test, find the kids and fund the good ones but do not interfere with the private coaches, parents, whoever is developing the kids.
     
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    Generally they fund the player and the theory is the player can then chose who they want to work with, I know however that pressure is put on those players to attend sessions at LTA Satellite Performance Centres/High Performance Centres.

    Again, not the LTA's job to make players!!!!

    Drives me nuts!!!

    Cheers

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  37. TennisCoachFLA

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    Sounds like the have the same ego issues as USTA high performance, with similar results.
     
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    I think it has been said already but let me try and boil it down to the purest essential.

    All of the changes being made by the USTA are intended to benefit the people running the USTA.


    I could never understand the changes to the junior national schedule until I figured out this all important piece of information. I kept trying to understand how it helped the kids. Silly me. Same with quick start and every other change they are making.
     
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  39. sureshs

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    For all the people who are convinced that Quickstart is a USTA conspiracy:

    The ITF adopted a similar format a while ago.

    Fed and Nadal both played in this format.

    Here is an interview with Fed explaining its advantages:

    http://www.eliteclubs.com/documents/199-quickstart-ages-3-10-

    I would rather go with him and all the elite coaches who support Quickstart than those who seem to criticize the USTA all the time on these boards.
     
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  40. TennisCoachFLA

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    I agreed not to get into Quickstart anymore.

    But for the sake of sanity, Uncle Toni introduced Rafa to tennis at age 4 and did not use that format by any stretch of the imagination.
     
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    I agree I have no proof of Rafa and went with the web page. But you can listen to the Fed interview
     
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    Yes sir, we discussed that video a month or so ago. The issue I have is that all of these are promo videos done as favors for equipment companies etc.

    All I ask for is firm information, how long did he do it? We have talented kids that blow through it in a month. Did Fed do that? Or did he do Quickstart format for 4 years?

    To me that is crucial. I truly want to know how various greats developed. If he did use it long term, that is huge in my mind.
     
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    What about the ITF system in Europe? Are kids using the format or not?
     
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    Same question. Is it just the casual kids or do the top talent stick with it? Do the most talented kids blow through it in a month or stay with it for years?

    If someone has this sort of data I would love to know. As a former scientist, real data could change my mind!
     
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    It just makes sense to me. I know some kids whose parents ferried them to lessons and they gave up because they were simply not able to hit the ball and have fun.

    There are variants of tennis popping up. Paddle tennis, Beach tennis, some tennis in Argentina, yet another some tennis - can't keep the names straight. Saw a segment on TV about the latest one. All are based on tennis, volleybal and badminton. They use short paddles, underhand serves and the ball does not go far or high. One variant has become popular in senior citizen homes.

    If tennis does not address this, people are going to move elsewhere.
     
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  46. TennisCoachFLA

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    I agree. But I split it into two groups, the majority of casual players and the few elite.

    Perhaps simplifying the game will add to the casuals, I need evidence that it can better develop the elites than the regular way.
     
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    For most, inlcuding me, the issue with Quickstart isn' Quickstart itself. Its a great way to introduce tennis to kids and get them having fun. Its the fact that its being made mandatory by the USTA. They say how and how long. Thats my problem. I feel a good coach should be allowed to recognize good talent and move them on quickly to regular tennis. Its ok for the others to stay in quickstart and have fun and perhaps move on at a later time. Being from the Southern Region and the first to make 10U mandatory quickstart format - right now its doing more harm than good. If it was a choice then I think it would go over better.
     
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    Can you elaborate? Florida is adopting QS in 2012 lots of talk want to get the view from another Tier 1 region.
     
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  49. chalkflewup

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    Perhaps simplifying the game will increase the number of elites too. We all will have to be patient as it's not a 12 month experiment.
     
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    We shall see. But it has to be tracked somehow. If an elite 10 years from now tried tennis because of Quickstart and stayed in it for 3 years I want to know that. If he was pulled out after a month and went regular balls, I want to know that. I don't care who wins this debate, I want to know which system or combination helps develop better players. I have been wrong many times before, as has the USTA.

    Same with high performance. I hear which coaches they hire, I hear interviews from Pat Mac and before him the other directors. I want to know how much is spent per player, what results they expect, what results they get.

    I want USTA junior development accountability. Just let us know what is working, what is not. If 12 kids in Boca costs $2 mil over 4 years yet not one cracks the top 200 who is held accountable?
     
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