Völkl C10 Pro Club!

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  1. Shasha

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    Hello;

    I've been testing my C10 Pro (2008 Version), and I'm so impressed. It weights like 350 grams with the overgrip plus the dampener, but his H.L. balance, do this stick, a friendly arm racket.

    I'm very impressed, its so playable, the feel with the ball is really great, it hasn't a big sweet spot, but this racket, has a lot of control, I've never found a racket with more control than this, anyway I didn't tested all the rackets of the world obviously, but the control and the precision are great too.

    One thing that I loved from this stick, is the spin, is so easy use it to generate a lot of spin, it impressed me so much.

    I liked it on the serve, it's easy move this racket to generate power, at least it's easy for me, I loved the feeling hitting with the backhand or forehand, this stick impressed me in general.

    Let here your opinions and screenies, about this famous and great stick, Völkl answered me on Facebook, and they told me that they're working on new cosmetic for 2012.

    Join our club!

    Regards,
    Carlos. :)
     
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  2. mctennis

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    I use the C10 Pro Tour model. I liked this model better than the C10 version. I still use the C10 Pro Tour as my main racquet. It is a great stick. Nothing wrong with the C10 Pro. I just thought the PT was a little more stable at the net and I had better control with it. I'll be an honorary member I guess.
     
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  3. Automatix

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    I don't use one because I couldn't get my hands on my favourite of the C10 Pro line the Xtended version.

    Loved that frame. Lighter than the standard, ca. 310g, 27,6 inches long. Very mobile.
     
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  4. Shasha

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    It's a classic frame, but it's the favourite stick of a lot of people from the whole Völkl series, it's nice.

    Regards,
    Carlos.
     
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  5. Shasha

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    I've been playing 2 hours today with it, I'm lovin' and lovin' and lovin' it each day that I use it...

    100% graphite, thats great!
     
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  6. Cesare

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    Count me in, i own the second version, post fischcale. one handed backhands are just insane, very soft in the upper hoop, it flexes very much on that side. Overall, i love more the torsional stability of the Tour 10 gen 1, but the C10's touch and volleys are topless. IMHO the Black and Yellow 2008's version it's one of the best paint-job ever.
     
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  7. T3NN15

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    Great racquet!
     
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  8. 5imon

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    I demoed c10 pro last Sept., loved the feel of it, but i wasnt good enough to play with such heavy stick :???: After couple months of hard work, i think im ready for this beauty and the price on tw is really sweet too. Im planning on getting it soon :)
     
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  9. Cesare

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    and that 2008 version stills really beautiful. probably even better cosmetics than my bumblebee version. better than the new yellow one, and it's the same racquet, but way cheaper. nice.
     
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  10. McLovin

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    Alas, I am leaving the C10 Pro club in the near future. It has absolutely nothing to do with the frame itself with the exception of the weight. And again, it is not the fault of the frame, just that my shoulder can no longer handle the heft vs. college players for 3 sets.

    I weighed mine the other day, and w/ strings/overgrip/dampener, it came in @ 12.6oz. I'm now looking at frames in the 12-12.2oz range to see if it helps with longevity.

    Great frame, just too much heft for my 43yr old shoulder to handle. Look for some used 2008s in the 'For Sale' section in the coming weeks...
     
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  11. Shasha

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    I'm sorry for that, dude, I found the stick so arm friendly.

    Regards,
    Carlos.
     
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  12. Shasha

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    Bought mine some weeks ago, strung, received it at my house etc, for like 110 euro, it's not expensive, I prefer 2008 cosmetics than 2011, anyway I like both, Völkl told me that they're working in a 2012 version with new cosmetics.

    Regards.
     
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  13. Ross K

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    It has long been one of my fave frames ever. Love the balance and weighting. It swings just beautifully. Great for those more inspired, intuitive moments too. Agree with post re the spin - really got a lot of kick off serve. It's too soft for my present tastes. Plus my 1st serves were always a bit underwhelming ("operator error.") Undoubtedly though, a fantastic stick.:)

    R
     
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  14. McLovin

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    Again, I also found it arm-friendly, its just that my shoulder becomes fatigued from the weight & me trying to hit w/ 5.0 players 1/2 my age in 100 degree heat on clay.

    Change it to fast indoor courts, and I can still hang w/ the young guns, but when my strike zone is raised to above my shoulders, eventually I become worn down. I've tried moving in and moving back, but in each case my whole game gets screwed up.

    I probably need some form of surgery, but I'm not willing to take 6-9 months off. And to reiterate, I believe the injury comes from repeated falls on the wakeboard & snowboard, where my arm is either snapped back hard or my shoulder driven into the ground, NOT the racket.
     
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  15. TennisMaverick

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    You would transition really well into the London. That is also the Volkl recommendation for your concerns. If you play above a 5.5, then give either of the X 10s a shot, as they are the nano tech upgrades of the C 10.
     
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  16. TennisMaverick

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    Instead of camping out deep or shallow, stand where the ball is comfortable for you where they hit the deepest, and then, learn to walk-thru all balls during contact, like approach shots, and you will never have this issue. Each time you hit the ball moving forward, retreat to you original real estate position from where you started. Sampras used to do that all the time when he was just becoming great, around '90, when his groundies were still suspect because his serve was not yet too much for everyone. It kept his BH from being shredded.
     
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  17. Shasha

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    Bump!!!! :)
     
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    Oh no you didn't!

    Yep, this honey's got me nicely hooked as well. Fortunately, a buddy warned me about the upper hoop flex and how these racquets can be "tip dead", or I might have thought the the 2nd hand C10's I first picked up a while back were all used up. Have to admit that I've grown to appreciate that personality quirk and I even wonder whether that flex up there in the head helps to "magnify" the overall softness in this racquet. I hit a rather big one-handed backhand and keep mine strung up with rather snug 17 ga. syn. gut, but can't say I've ever even had a twinge.

    I try not to get too hung up on paint jobs or superficial cheese, but I have to admit that I was quite surprised with the decision to change from the '08 look - an oh-so-sexy beast - to the "unfortunate veneer" they've got now. Had to wonder if they'd lost their pride back in Germany! Mine are the hilarious bumble-bee generation... loud and proud. Good to hear that a new attempt at a decent look for this Volkl is in the works.
     
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  19. Shasha

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    Have been like 3 hours playin' with it today, my arm didn't get tired.

    That's a good new.
     
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  20. Shasha

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    A pic from my Völkl C10 Pro (2008 Version)

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  21. TennisMaverick

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    I have a 2008 Stealth. Are you playing with yours stock?
     
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  22. Shasha

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    Yep, I do.

    Anyway I can find that 2008 model at some shop in Spain for like 100 euro or less.
     
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    With those specs, I am tempted. Does the 2008 version play the same?

    (I like its 2008 pj better.)
     
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  24. bad_call

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    great frame but didn't have enough "teeth" for this kicking 60 yr old player. moved to 12-12.2 oz strung racquets and getting better results. :)
     
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  25. OzNQc

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    T10 VE MP very similar to C10 Pro

    Hopefully TennisMaverick and others can chime in on aspects of the C10 Pro with respect to my T10 VE MP bats.

    I remember seeing a post by Rush or someone who mentioned that the T10 VE MP was the direct followup of the C10 Pro rather than the DNX and PB sticks.

    Can any of you remember this?

    More importantly, can you confirm this in practical terms if you have played with both?

    What is the sweet spot comparison between the two in practical terms?

    I am not sure how the C10 Pros spec out in terms of Swing Weight but all my T10 VE MPs were 313-115 in SW which from memory, is well below the average SW of 320 measured on TW. I could be wrong there ;) I remember someone saying that later production volkl models have reduced SW.

    Anyway, how do your C10 Pros feel in SW?

    Even better, have you measured your bats?

    Once my 4 T10 VE MP bats die, it is time to look for new and similar candidates so all the info is appreciated.
     
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  26. TennisMaverick

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    The T10 VE MP was the direct follow-up stick to the T10 MP, which suceeded the C10 Pro, and was a throw-back to their heyday in the 80's with the VE TR 25 and T 9 30, but it was a fairly large diversion, since it was much stiffer. It could do everything, but it was definitely designed for the topspin hitter, and not the all-round feel type hitter which is usually associated with the 10 Line. Unfortunately, the market didn't like the traditional Volkl shape--although the T10 VE Mid is my all-time favorite.

    The current C10 Pro is a little stiffer in the upper hoop, but nothing compared to the T10 VE MP. All 10s post C10 Pro, the T10, T10 VE, DNX 10, PB 10, and X10, all have much stiffer upper hoops. If you are looking for a replacement for your T10 VE MP, and if you want closer in material, weight and design, go with the London. Otherwise, the X10 325 is it, if you want to go heavy nano. It will do what you do with your VE with your standard shots, but much more with the difficult and emergency shots. It also has more bite. The stiffness level is similar, but the X10 feels much softer on contact.
     
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  27. OzNQc

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    Cheers tennis mav!

    Thanks tennismav!

    I'll make sure to check out some of those T10 VE MP replacement candidates at some stage. It won't be any time soon but it is good to know what is coming up plus they may get dirt cheap in the future! I checked out the stock X10 325 specs and it looks pretty similar to the stock T10 VE MP specs. Then again, the specs are only a starting point and it really is about how the bats feel in the hand in the end ;)

    By the way, I don't play my T10 VE MPs stock. I have modified my T10 VE MPs to make them heavier (350 g) and I love them! Also, I play a hybrid setup with the strings, i.e., co-poly mains and synthetic crosses. However, I do wonder what natural gut would be like in it again! I once played with gut mains and co-poly crosses (Klip adrenalin?). It really felt too mushy and lacked the power that I normally get. It was a very weird natural gut experience in comparison to those with the wilson hypercarbon prostaff 5.0 bats which I used many moons ago! Do you have any thoughts on this?

    You are right about the topspin capability of the T10 VE MP and it being a solid racquet but there is one other thing, they have awesome power especially on return of serve!!!!! I didn't really understand what you meant by heavier nanotech being able to deal with difficult and emergency shots. It would be great if you could explain this further. In my case, the T10 VE MPs have been fantastic on the difficult and emergency shots too! They are the best sticks that I have ever played with!!! Moreover, the experience is sweeter because I have won and lost some incredible matches with them!!
     
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  28. max

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    My C-9s are weighted up to 349 g. I like the fact that they have the Big Grommets, which are not in the C-10s. I'll take an honorary membership, if you'll let me in, and note that my C-9s are getting older and battered, and I'll step into a C-10 setting in about another year or so. God the C-9 is ugly! Love the C-10 2008 paint job FAR better: lot to be said for basic black.
     
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  29. TennisMaverick

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    A good replacement for the C 9 Pro is the London. It's dwell time is comparable to the BGT.
     
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  30. Shasha

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    Yeah 2008 cosmetics are really cool! :D
     
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  31. tennisamba

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    TM,

    can you please tell me how the T10 II gen plays with respect to T10 VE and C10 pro? I have the opportunity to buy a T10 II gen.
     
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  32. TennisMaverick

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    That T10 Gen II was a favorite with a lot of C 10 users. It is stiffer in the upper hoop, so those who complained able the wet noodle feel or needed more power, went to that frame. It was a very easy transition. Both Kevin Kim and Eric Taino used them past '05, and they were painted to look like C 10s.

    The T10 VE MP I assume(forget about the Mid if you are not a 5.5 player, PERIOD)?

    If so, then you would like it if you preferred more topspin and had less feel to your game than a typical C 10/T10 user. It is stiffer throughout and more powerful. It was a really good Volkl for those who wanted the Volkl feel/precision with some more power, like a Wilson 6.1 of the time. It also had the BITD V-Bridge, which lengthened the mains and stiffened the bridge, so there was more bite. If you have a faster swing, this is a good stick to choose.
     
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    Sorry TM:oops:

    I put the wrong link! Yes I meant MP.

    Thanks a lot for all the info.

    I am going to buy it !
     
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  36. TennisMaverick

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    Cool....most who used that stick loved it.
     
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    Agree on C10 pro 2008. I use it with a full bed of SPPP at 51lbs. Stick has awesome power, feel and spin. I tried various different racquets but just kept coming back. It does everything well, and actually swings fairly light for its weight. Very arm friendly also. Since the racquet is so soft, i think it does well with a little stiffer string (like the SPPP) rather than a gut or multi.
     
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  39. tennisamba

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    The Gen II arrived yesterday. Can you please suggest strings and tension?
    I usually play with Gripper around 24 kg on the V1.
    Thanks in advance!
     
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  40. TennisMaverick

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    This is a soft, traditional graphite frame, softer than the V1 with a stiffer hoop than the C10 Pro. Your V1 tension range should be a good start. If you want a stiffer string bed, string it 24kg both cross and mains. If you want a more plush string bed, like the V1, drop the cross string tension 1 kg.
     
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  41. tennisamba

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    The racquet now has a poly at 24/23. I 'll try it and then I cut and follow your suggestion. Thanks!
     
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  42. TennisMaverick

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    Poly at that tension is pretty tight. I hope that you are hitting on red clay and swing very fast!
     
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  43. tennisamba

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    TM,

    can you explain me why?
     
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  44. TennisMaverick

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    It's a feel stick, and very soft. If you string it tight with poly, there will be no power and little responsiveness off the string bed, so you will have to swing fast to generate. Hitting flat with full poly is useless and painful. Hitting heavy topspin on hard court, invites getting attacked on the first short ball. Hence, you better be swinging fast, hitting topspin, and doing it on clay.
     
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  45. tennisamba

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    Thanks TM !
     
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  46. tennisamba

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    I have tried it and I am really impressed. I used just a couple of minutes on hard court and then 30 mins on clay. Now I cut the strings and use Gripper on it. It's very soft and I am amazed on how precise it is. Probably it is wrong what I am saying but the feeling in the string bed reminds me a 18x20. On clay, where I could swing slower I have really appreciated the ball pocketing and dwell time. I do not want to compare it with BB V1 but one thing is sure: BB V1 is not so addictive!
     
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  47. TennisMaverick

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    It is a true player's frame. I assume that you play at a high level to have enjoyed it so much.
     
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    No, my level is 4.0-4.5 NTRP. I have always played with player's racquets (my first racquet was a wooden maxply mcenroe when I was 12).
    I have really liked this frame because it reminds me the feeling I need to find when I construct every shot, since I have a lot of feedback to correct myself. And the feeling is beautiful, when I relax my arm, use my trunk and legs and grind the ball ...

    This does not happen with my V1, which are far more generous, they give easy power even if do not hit well but they do not allow me to understand what I am doing....
     
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  49. TennisMaverick

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    Lead your V1 up to feel like your C10 Pro. V1s fully loaded, play real well, very cushioned, with tons of dwell time and control. I have a Classic V1 fully loaded, and just sold my loaded PB V1 to "pneumated", but they both allow me to play with anyone. It's not as precise as my PB 10 Mid/London tour, but a 102in2 is not supposed to be as dead-on as a 93in2. If you ever see a Catapult V10 online for sale, buy it. It is the VE player's version of a Cat V1, weighing-in near 12 oz strung. Mantilla and Bethany Mattick used it BITD. One of my guys uses it as soon as his wrist issue becomes symptomatic, and plays almost as well as he does with his Melbourne.
     
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  50. tennisamba

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    Sorry to reply late, TM.

    Thanks a lot for your suggestions. I'll try to find a V10. Meanwhile I'll use more lead tape (gradually) and probably I also put a leather grip on my V1.

    P.S. The racquet I described is not a C10 pro; it is a tour 10 Gen II.
     
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