Völkl C10 Pro Club!

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  1. TennisMaverick

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    OK....then match the balance and feel to your Gen II. You will also need to string it a few lbs tighter to match the string bed.
     
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  2. tennisamba

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    Can you compare the V10 and the Sportster, please?

    Does a mod BB V1 play close to the Sportster?

    Thank you!
     
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  3. TennisMaverick

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    The Sportster feels softer and a little more solid. Some felt that the BB V1 was a little hollow in feel, but it was extremely popular. Modifying the BB V1 will make it feel similar to the Sportster, but at a few grams heavier. Try one gram on each inside area of the "V", and 1.5 grams on the bridge, and see how it feels.

    The V10 VE is a catapult, so there is a lot of power, plus, it is 315 grams unstrung, and of course, it is a V Engine. It is the player's version of the Catapult V1; heavier and a little stiffer. It is a hefty frame.
     
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    Thanks a lot, TM!

    My mod BB V1, following your suggestions (lead tape at 3/6/9 plus 4.5 inches along the V), plays very good. I also feel it better after replacing the syn grip with a leather one. It seems softer, less stiff and more stable. Now it weighs 318 grams, so at this point I think I do not need a sportster. I 'll save my money to try a London and I'll keep on looking for a V10, which is very hard to find.
     
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  5. chrischris

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    Where can you get that version i.e. the longer one?
     
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  6. Cesare

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    that's a great frame too, way better than Pure drives, etc..
     
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  7. TennisMaverick

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    What kind of PJ should the next version have?
     
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  8. Cesare

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    Mav, i hope that they will go with something new. or if they want to stay with Yellow and Black, maybe a reissue of the first Volkl Servo's color scheme, this one:

    http://80s-tennis.com/pages/voelkl-servo.html

    I like this one more than the World Cup's paint job.
    As a side note, tonight first match with my brand new X 10 325. I'll keep you updated on the X 10 thread.
     
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  9. TennisMaverick

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    That would actually be cool. I have a few of those, although, I didn't play with them BITD.
     
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    Back when the C10 lines was first introduced, there were 3 models, the C10, C10 Xtended, and C10 OS. The latter two were spectacular frames, neither sold well and both were discontinued.
     
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  11. mctennis

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    Rabbit, don't forget about the C10 Pro Tour version.
     
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  12. TennisMaverick

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    That stick was released late, as a limited edition; I waited almost 18 months for it. It did well, so they openly released it. I recently sold four of them to another forum member. It was solid, but needed to be strung tight to control its power, making it feel a little stiff. The PB 10 Mid was built off of it, and obviously, it's an improved version.
     
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    Yeah, I was referring strictly to the C10 tennis racquet, not the advanced "lumber". :)

    I had occasion when the PB10 Mid was out to hit with it and the C10 Pro tour side by side. They were amazing similar and IMO, the PB10 would have been a great replacement for those searching for same. At that time, there were some board members actively in the hunt.
     
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  14. TennisMaverick

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    I agree. The PB 10 Mid is more refined as expected, but the biggest difference is that it feels more solid with its longer dwell time. I expected the C10 Pro Tour to play like that because I was used to the C10 Pro, but they made the Pro Tour substantially stiffer than I thought they should have. It was similar to the '93 red Tournament Pro in that regard.
     
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    something different

    Just got back from a hit , had all the frames out , london tour,pbmid,c10 pro tours , my partner is also a long time c10 pro 98 user, he changed his set up slightly, removed his grip completely and just used a volkl over grip, now his frames weight in at 345 grams and 4 pts headlite , this frame stills hits big but with out the extra weight ,anybody else try this ??
     
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    When I used the C10 Pro, I had three layers of lead tape about 14 inches long between 2-5/7-10. So that would approximate what you boy did. One of my guys never uses anything but two overgrips on all of his sticks, going back to the C10 pro, T10 VE Mid, DNX 10 MP, BB 11 MP, PB 10 MP, London, Legend, and Melbourne. It make it easy to put more heft in the head without a lot of lead, and still maintains the easy racquet head acceleration. He's a lefty, so this fits right in with his game.
     
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  17. Ross K

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    TM, just interested... so you're saying that just by the simple addition of an extra OG (no lead mods), your guy finds more oomph whilst retaining nice maneuverability/preferred head-light balance?... or am I misunderstanding you? Cheers
     
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    It seems to me that what he's saying is that by removing mass from the handle it takes less lead in the head to get the right feeling of "more mass in the head"...and a balance more towards the top which he seems to prefer.
    The impression of "more weight in the head" can be obtained in 2 different ways...by actually adding mass to the head...or by removing mass from the handle...and which one is more beneficial depends on the upper weight limit of each player.

    If my understanding of what he is saying is correct, I very much agree with that theory.
     
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  19. TennisMaverick

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    What Od1n said exactly. By removing the grip and using only one or two overgrips, there is less need for lead, or as much lead. He also feels the ball and the bevels more acutely. Boris does the exact same thing.

    To be more clear, he/we use/used more lead with traditional graphite and less with nano carbon frames. With that being said, he never used a syn grip, so that allowed for some more dumping of lead tape usage. As he has gone through these iterations, the C10 pro, T10 VE Mid, DNX 10 MP, BB 11 MP, PB 10 MP, London, Legend, and Melbourne, except for the Legend going up in lead, each subsequent model has had less tape on it, to the point where his Melbourne has only 1.75 grams on the bridge, and he has never played better. All of this was done through the juniors, Futures, and collegiate tennis. Sometimes it was due to a drop in head size, like going from the C10 Pro to the T10 VE Mid, and then, going to DNX and DC, where DC is more mod sensitive, needing less lead tape. For example, using only 6-8 grams spread throughout a wide area on the London, which I wrote about on the "London Bridges" thread.
     
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  20. Ross K

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    ^^^Thanks for the clarification TM and Od1n.
     
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  21. sargeinaz

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    Any news on what the 2012 paintjob will be for the c10? I thinking of picking a c10 up, but wanted to see if there was news of the new one before I go looking for the 2008 version. Thanks in advance.
     
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    First drafts were done. Feedback was used for the second drafts yet to be completed. I have the 1st iteration C10, which was the only one to have kevlar, and the 2nd iteration, plus a stealth 2008, so I'm happy!
     
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  23. sargeinaz

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    I thought they all have kevlar? And hopefully the new one is predominantly black!
     
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  24. Ross K

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    Maybe contemplating a revisit of this frame - still have superb memories of how now nicely this rack swung for me, lovely balance/weighting/build quality, etc. What I'm wanting to know though is how low can you go with a full poly job with this? These days I'm usually @ 52's and sometimes go lower, and I never went that low previously with the C10. So what about 50lbs?... 45 lbs?... do you C10ers go that low?... is it to be advised?:)
     
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    You can go pretty low IMHO. I went under 50 with my last stringjob which was multi mains and poly crosses. I will have to check my sheet when I get home for specifics and post but control is still very good. Excess power is nothing I've ever really felt with my C10 except maybe with full gut.

    Edit: Just for reference this is in a fishnet version. I'll be restringing my 2008 sometime soon with a multi/poly hybrid and plan to stay pretty low again. I think my fishnet version is a tad softer/flexier/lower powered than the 2008 but could just be an age and amount of use thing.
     
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  26. mctennis

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    I agree with you about stringing the C10 PT being strung tight. I usually string mine at 58-60 lbs. Anything lower than about 56 you launch balls like a rocket. I normally use gut or a gut hybrid string combination so that tames the stiffness down. Still this racquet has the best pin point accuracy of any racquet I've ever used. Second would be the earlier C10 Comp.
    I demoed the PB10 Mid and didn't think it had the same feel/touch nor accuracy the C10 PT has. So I didn't buy the PB10 Mid version.
     
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  27. sargeinaz

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    Ross I want to revisit it for the same reasons. It really is a phenomenal frame that I feel many people would enjoy. I played great tennis with it. Probably the best I've played. Good power with great feel for volleys and drop shots. It really allowed me to mix up my game and has power on tap when needed. I'm excited to see the new 2012 paintjob. As far as poly goes, I've never used poly. I usually use a multi at 55 or full gut at 58. I like the extra pop, especially with full gut.
     
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  28. athiker

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    Ok, so re: Ross K question, I've tried cheap fleabay gut at 60...Nice feel and touch but less spin that the poly/multi that preceded it. Same gut in the mains w/ Scorpion in the crosses at 52/48...still pretty comfy and better spin. Same gut and Mantis Power Poly at 52/48...I also liked with good spin but was still looking for a bit more power.

    I decided to drop some more and see what happened. Mantis Comfort Synthetic mains and Scorpion crosses at 50/45. Mantis is really soft stuff and it felt a little loose or odd in the beginning but seemed to settle in and even out and play well pretty quickly. This set up is very comfortable and as I said, I've noticed no decrease in control and accuracy after getting used to it for maybe a set. Balls don't fly crazy long if that is what you are concerned about...of course I don't know your playing style or you mine! The most control issues I had were w/ full gut after it settled and loosened up.
     
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  29. TennisMaverick

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    The C10 Pro had a lighter feel--not a lighter weight--but it's feel to the ball was less substantial, therefore the ball's impact had more effect on-contact. On paper, that fact would seem to make it superior, and for you, it was. For me, I found that even with my personal mods, it lacked the solidity that I found in the successor frames, the DNX 10 Mid and PB 10 Mid. I find that the dwell time on the PB 10 Mid is inordinately long, which gives my longer longitudinal swings a ton of unparalleled feel.
     
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  30. TennisMaverick

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    What specifically are you referring and how much, may I ask? Does it break easily during installation?
     
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  31. Ross K

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    Cheers for replies ^^^.

    So, yes, I just fancy an experiment. A stiffer poly like a Tornado, or a Lux, or an MSV, or a PHT (to name four strings I happen to have) to counteract the softness and strung pretty low (like, say, 48 lbs, 45lbs, something around that.) I always found a slight lack of pop, hence the low poly job suggested.

    However, it just swung so fluidly and 'through the gears' for me, you could really get some rhythm and timing down and go after your shots. Weird how this balance/weighting thing works, but for reasons I admit I don't fully understand (and I don't think it's entirely explained by specs and would like to think there's some magical racket alchemy in this somehow, ie, some frames are just, well, special :) ), this racket - and a few others I've played over the years - just seems to swing so fluidly and wand-like in my hands.

    But, for sure, I would need to get more heat going here, more oomph is required. :wink:
     
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    Well there was some discussion of it on here a while back and some thought it was Unifibre and some thought it was Global....idk. I have written down it was $12 a set...I think that was the ave. w/ shipping. It came in a silver foil package, 2 x 20' pieces, with a white label and some print marked out with a black felt pen. I got 4 16s and one 17.

    Did it break? Well I ended up getting a total of 5 sets as the seller offered me a discount on buying more. I strung a couple of hybrids with no problems and even managed to string the one full bed at 60 lbs with no breakage. I traded a set and was told it broke while stringing on the 4th main (trader knew exactly what he was getting so wasn't upset...well not at me at least!...we had already done a racquet trade). After that I had one break while on the next to last main at 57 lbs IIRC. So out of 5 sets (10 half sets really) we had two breaks while stringing (I use a Klippermate).

    I'm not what I'd call a heavy string breaker though I do eventually break them. These lasted okay for me I guess but I don't have a quality gut reference point. I remember one snapped in my bag but that was after using it for a while, not right away. I don't keep hour records like some. I don't plan on buying it again...just too nerve racking stringing after the one break! The nice thing about stringing pretty low tension now is its just easier. I think I'll try some Pacific Classic next gut go-around in a full set. I have a number of multis and poly hybrids to go through first.

    If you want seller details to satisfy curiosity I can email you. With a quick look I see some others but not him selling currently.
     
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  33. mctennis

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    athiker, I've never had good luck with the cheap gut. I find it a lot more expensive to get one racquet strung up AND to last more than a set or two. I've given up on finding any cheap good playing gut. I'll stay with some better quality gut. That way I know I can probably get a lot more court milage out of it.
     
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    ^^ I agree. Ive always used babolat, but will be trying out pacific prime next. Rabbit has said it's like butter and even more powerful. Sounds perfect for what I like especially in the c10
     
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  35. TennisMaverick

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    Thanks for taking the time! I guess I will stay with my Klip/BB/Volkl gut.

    I bought some cheap gut maybe 10 years ago or more. I still have 2-3 sets laying around. I couldn't instal them as they broke in the machine. If I got to the crosses, flakes of the coating would cover the machine like snow, and then it would break during the cross string installation. I was hoping that I would have been fortunate, as I was during the '80's, when one of my doubles partners would have gut flown to me with a flight attendant on PIA. I would pay for this Pakistani lamb gut for $5 per set, and as long as I didn't string it over 65#, it never broke and played great! That allowed me to save my allotment of VS for matches only.
     
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    Yeah, not really worth it...unless you start w/ a lucky streak or string very low. No regrets though b/c it let me try nat gut at a few different tensions and combos w/o spending $30 - $40 a pop so I have a better idea now if I try some better stuff.

    Some of the stuff advertised there now, by different sellers, say do not string over 50!...so going 65 probably isn't going to happen!
     
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  37. Ross K

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    Posted in the Racketaholic Diary thread yesterday but thought I'd follow up here on my previous post.

     
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    When I strung mine with Classic, I strung them at 60. When I used Prime, I strung them at 63. The one time I tried VS 17 in one, I believe it was at 58. Just an FYI
     
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    I recently got a black 2008 version used in good condition. I had my first hit yesterday indoors.

    It does seem a bit "handle-heavy" and lacking in pop (compared to my Dunlops). (The strings are a full-bed of MCS, so maybe they make it too soft.) Otherwise, it seems very solid.

    I am considering adding a tad of lead-tape at 2 and 10.
     
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    I'm a little surprised that so many are still using or messing around with this frame. I have a few original releases, and a stealth 2008. I'm going to have to string it and give it a ride just to join in the adventure.

    What say you guys on the upcoming 15th Anniversary issue, Black or Yellow?
     
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    I say they "modernize" the original Bumblebee. The latest cosmetic is a fail IMO.
     
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    Predominantly black
     
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    I agree, I say the yellow thing has come and gone for racquets in general. I have the fishnet yellow and the black 2008; I like the yellow okay but really like the 2008 color and in general like a mostly black racquet. The BB London is probably the nicest looking racquet I've seen though.

    I still love to play the C10 Pro when I'm "on"...been using my PK Ki5 a fair bit lately though. Its not as accurate but more forgiving on an "off" day. The Ki5 is very arm friendly of course but I don't get quite the satisfaction I feel after hitting a good shot with my C10. Slice backhand is not nearly as good as with the C10.

    I've been trying to trade a few of my sticks for a PB7 (or London) just to try but no luck so far.
     
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    I have a couple 2008 C10 pros also but I have them on the sideline right now in favor of a Youtek Prestige MP 18x20. I get better results with the Prestige, but its definitely a little rougher on the arm. I like the feel of the C10's, but can't seem to gain good control over direction and over hitting ground strokes long. Last string / tension I used was Prince Syn original 16 @ 60lbs. I'd love to experiment some more with the C10's if I could come up with a non-poly string setup which would be controllable.
     
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    I love my C10 Pro 2008 and it's great with full gut. It's a beautiful racquet but alas I seem to play better with the Organix X10 325 even though it doesn't 'feel' as safisfying. The C10 is so good for touch and drop shots.
     
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    Hi there,

    I am looking for a C10 pro fishscale paintjob. I believe this is a pretty old frame. Maybe first or second gen of this line.

    But after I received pics from the sellers, I was totally confused. I've seen 3 version of C10 pro with fishcale paint.......

    What I am looking for is a soft version with 98 headsize and 16*19 string pattern.

    Can anyone send me some clear pics of this one? My email is kylin.info AT gmail DOT com

    Thanks
     
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    When is the '12 C10 Pro supposed to start selling in US?
     
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    From the Volkl Maestro: ""New C10 Pro, BB NYC, and X9, is on a boat and will be here on the 15th."
     
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    thank you P1-give my best the TM.
     
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  50. Ross K

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    Is TM on the boat as well accompanying the fresh Volkl cargo?! :)

    Seriously, anyone got any updates/info to share re new C10s?
     

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