Völkl C10 Pro Club!

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  1. PhrygianDominant

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    No recommendations for a poly, that will give me a crisper feel on the ball? I am not that experienced in strings, so I don't know how to phrase this question better.
     
  2. mrmike

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    Thanks, that may be worth a try. I know it's a little pricey, but I am not a big string breaker and gut maintains playability for a long time. One of Chris's other suggestions was a thick gauge gut / synthetic gut hybrid. May consider that also. That would cut down the cost per stringing a bit.
     
  3. SteveI

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    Chris knows his stuff... both set-ups would make sense. You could get into the Tough Gut/Syn Gut (I would use Forten Sweet 16) for a decent price and and it would last much longer than any poly set-up and be wonderful on your arm. The tension would hold up also.
     
  4. suyema

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    For those that use leather grip for your C10 Pro's, which leather grip do you prefer out of Volkl, Head, Wilson, or Babolat??

    ~Thanks
     
  5. gonzalocatalino

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    As the racquets are heavy enough, i'll go with a thin and light leather. In my case, i've the 3 c10 2008's with head std. Leather grip (heavily used, so they feel very thin and compressed). I've installed brand new babolats on the 2012 c10's and Right now i'm trying to get used to them, because i feel the grip a bit big with the new ones...

    Never used the Volkl leather grips, but from what i´ve ear here, is one of the heaviest, so, i would avoid them for this racquet.
     
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  6. FischerFan

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    Try a Pacific Leather one..

    Best one I've tried is a Pacific.
     
  7. Bodycamp13

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    C10 Pro

    Just want to say...I've NEVER crushed OHBH like I do with this frame.

    Unreal! Rivals my FH now!

    Currently using Cyclone 16 @ 52 but that stuff dies quickly. I'll be changing I think.

    Anyone play this frame with BB Alu? What tension?
     
  8. Junkie74

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    I found this to be a good racquet, but I did felt some twinges and stiffness around my elbow halfway through the match. Anyone had this problem before?
     
  9. Ross K

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    What strings (poly presumably) were you using? How long had they been?

    Going back over quite a few years now, I can't say I've ever had anything remotely bordering on elbow twinges/pains playing with a C10. It's one mega-comfy, soft-flexing frame, for me anyhow.
     
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  10. Bodycamp13

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    It ain't the racquet. I can hit two hours solid and this is the most comfortable frame I've played. I play Cyclone 16 at 52 or 54 right now - will prob change though. This frame with a multi would be rediculously comfortable.
     
  11. mrmike

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    You are right, I recently had Discho Microfibre 16 multi in one of my C10's at 60lb and it was super comfortable but unfortunately also a rocket launcher after about 5 sessions. Originally I purchased the frame from TW with Volkl Power Fiber II and that was a firmer multi but I had much better control with it.
     
  12. gonzalocatalino

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    I´ve played the C10 with my usual hibrid (WC Scorpion/WC Explosiv! @60), getting the best feel, comfort and power. Now i´m using some racquets with a full blend of Scorpion at 55lbs (best for spin and control) and some other with full WC Turbo Twist at 57, the first hour this string was too stiff, but now is feeling great, decent spin and very comfortable.
     
  13. mrmike

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    I strung up one of my C10 Pros with Pacific tough gut 15L full bed @ 58 lbs. It's been a long time since I tried natural gut since I had a bad experience snapping a new set on the stringer. This time, armed with a lot more string jobs under my belt, it went well. This string was comfortable from the first hit and very responsive. Maybe a little less spin potential than the thinner gauges of synthetic I had been using. As comfortable as it is, shots are still quite controllable. No shoulder or arm pain after playing whatsoever. It's definitely pricey, but I plan to leave it on this frame till it breaks and keep nylon on my backup. Thanks for the suggestion!
     
  14. suyema

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    Just got 2 c10 pros (2010 version) recently (purchased, used, from tw member)and played a couple hours of doubles my first time out with these beautiful yellow frames. It came with kevlar mains (50 lbs) and co-poly cross (55 lbs).

    The c10 pros felt nice and hefty, and flexible. Coming from a POG mid, I still like the feel, control, and manueverability of the POG mid. Surprisingly the c10 pros swing weight (325) felt noticeably heavier than my POG Mid (TW reissue 328)?? Their static weight are similar, both 343 grams (TW), I believe.

    I suppose it will take some time getting use to along with experimenting w/diff string set-ups. One thing I just couldn't understand was, i felt like I was consistently missing the sweet spot on the c10 pro (98 sq in) vs. the POG mid (93 sq in) i'm hitting the sweet spot effortlessly.

    Needless to say, I won't be quitting on these frames anytime soon~
     
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    Just got 2 c10 pros (2010 version) recently (purchased, used, from tw member)and played a couple hours of doubles my first time out with these beautiful yellow frames. It came with kevlar mains (50 lbs) and co-poly cross (55 lbs).

    The c10 pros felt nice and hefty, and flexible. Coming from a POG mid, I still like the feel, control, and manueverability of the POG mid. Surprisingly the c10 pros swing weight (325) felt noticeably heavier than my POG Mid (TW reissue 328)?? Their static weight are similar, both 343 grams (TW), I believe.

    I suppose it will take some time getting use to, along with experimenting w/diff string set-ups. One thing I just couldn't understand was, i felt like I was consistently missing the sweet spot on the c10 pro (98 sq in) vs. the POG mid (93 sq in) i'm hitting the sweet spot effortlessly.

    Needless to say, I won't be quitting on these frames anytime soon~
     
  16. SteveI

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    Glad it well for you. After listening to Chris's comment on this string set-ups.. The one I ordered during the wonderful sale they had during the holidays.. I picked the basic Wilson Syn Gut Extreme 16G.. which plays somewhat dead and is a thick string also. I know I will get no where near the perfomace out of the syn gut vs the natty.. but I wanted to get that similar feeling. I deader playing string seems to work well with C10 as Chris stated. The C10 is not really a low powered frame as some think. I might try some IsoSpeed Baseline 16G. Lower powered poly that is very soft and easy on the arm. Tension drops down fast... but for that price $40.00/reel.. I can re-string every 10 hours.
     
  17. mrmike

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    I gotta mention that on my 2nd C10 frame (other one has 15L natural gut) I installed some Head RIP control 17 and it plays quite well. Just dead enough to kill off some of the C10's power but easy on the arm and still has some good pop. I have it at 60 lbs. For the $$'s, the RIP is a great match for this frame.
     
  18. SteveI

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    Yes.. Rip Control would be a wonderful match for this frame. Great idea.. I have some in my stock.. and the it is black/white.. and shuld also look great!

    Thanks for the insights.

    Steve
     
  19. mrmike

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    Yeah, I was really pleasantly surprised on how well this stuff worked in the C10. When it's on the stringer it behaves like a poly. Very little elongation, yet it is easy on the arm. As others have said, a very unique string.
     
  20. SteveI

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    Yes.. very unique and at a nice price. When you string it you think it is really going to play stiff. The only probelm I had was breaking it a bit too soon to be cost effective for me. It may hold up better in the c 10. Time will tell. Did you do a full bed?
     
  21. mrmike

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    Yes, full bed of the black 17G, which looks good in the 2010 yellow model. I've heard on other forums that the 17G plays better than the 16G, but I've never tried the 16. At the new price, RIP is hard to beat. I previously had Prince syn original installed at 63 lbs, and that felt too stiff and was bugging my shoulder a bit. The other advantage I am noticing is more spin. Certainly more than my other frame strung with 15L gut. I noticed that serves were getting more kick which of course is also a function of the gauge. The jury is still out on how long it lasts since its newly strung. Gut is still the winner on comfort and feel, but I think for overall price / performance this may be my new go to string setup.
     
  22. Brian11785

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    Demo-ed a bunch of racquets recently, and this was at the top of the list. Will be my first delayed-gratification purchase after/for paying off student loan debt.

    Here's hoping that some 2010 PJs are still available. LOVE that.
     
  23. DonBot

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    I think Chris hit on the head that you want something nice and dead in it. I am a big fan of 4G at 60 lbs. I was going to give this racquet the heave ho till I tried that set up and now I love it.
     
  24. Jeebs

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    I'm thinking about getting a C10 to try out. Is there a definitive version or are they all good sticks?
     
  25. mrmike

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    I don't think the specs have changed on this frame for quite a while. I've played both the 2008 all black version and the 2010 yellow and they play identical. The published 2012 specs look the same also.
     
  26. gonzalocatalino

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    The c10 specs haven't changed in a while. As far as i know, the older ones (original release from the late 90's/early 00's) are more flexible than the new ones. I've used the original fishnet years ago, and it was very flexible compared with the racquets i was using at that time( volkl t10 gen 2).
    I've 3 2008's and 3 2012's. All identical to me.
     
  27. max

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    Try using Ektelon Power Play, if you want a softer synthetic gut. This should work well in it.
     
  28. CCH4TENNIS

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    From the Customization & Reverse Engineering Tool by TW, twistweight for the 2012 version is higher

    VolklC10 Pro13.53VolklC10 Pro 201214.16
    Cheers !
     
  29. rhaudiogeek

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    Question for fellow users. No matter what tension I choose on the C10 (2012) i don't seem to get the trampoline effect.

    Have tried Multi Mains / Poly Crosses at following tensions:

    Mains/Crosses: 52/49, 55/50...

    I can tell the stringbed feels pretty tight. SBS using ERT reads 37 kg/cm at both above tension.

    Any suggestions?
     
  30. Ross K

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    It's one of the great unsolved racketaholic mysteries to me... how can the C10 possibly be in the 346g/12.02 or so region? :confused:

    I still consider this to swing so sweet and special as to be unique.

    Hmm, unless ones I've had previously just happened to come in lighter on the QC front?
     
  31. CCH4TENNIS

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    Hi Ross

    Yes, it is a QC issue, the stock which I bought last year was only 331g strung :-( But had since then added added weight via a leather replacemnt grip plus lead tape at 7 Inches from the butt to make about 9.7pt HL
     
  32. GrandSlam45

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    My fellow C10 users....

    I'm wondering has anyone with Tennis Elbow issues had success using a softer Poly string with the C10? I've tried polys with other arm friendly racquets but I still get pain. I haven't tried them yet with the C10, but curious to hear what others think.
     
  33. mrmike

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    I have a set of Tour Bite soft 16 in one of my C10's right now. It feels pretty good, but it's still poly. If you have TE issues I would suggest a good syngut which would be a midpoint between a multi and a poly for stiffness.
     
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    I'm 47, haven't had any arm issues in my day, and I've been playing the C10 for a few years now. I'm not interested in tempting fate with the poly options, but a couple of our pals here have enjoyed a cozy ride with the C10 strung with a poly hybrid.

    I like mine with either 16 or 17 gauge syn. gut at around 61-63 lbs. I've found a little extra comfort and performance (spin, etc.) with thinner 17 ga. string and since I string my own frames, the durability isn't an issue for me. Depending on the "right" tension with either gauge, it's easy to dial in either a firm, crisp 'n snappy setup or drop a couple lbs. for a very plush ride.

    If I try my C10's with a hybrid of a soft main and "soft" co-poly cross, I'll be sure to report my findings. I did that a couple years ago with another racquet, but it did nothing for me. Haven't been in a rush to try it again. Some sets of Forten Sweet in 16 and 17 gauge are on the way and those ought to offer some fun test drives, too.

    In general though, if you want to save your arm and you've already experienced some some pain with poly in an arm-friendly racquet, don't kid yourself. Stay away from the poly (and co-poly), period. I've seen several stronger players, both young and older, get into trouble with arm issues after switching into a poly or hybrid in their arm-friendly racquets. I should have pitched this right out of the gate here, but my coffee hasn't quite caught up with me yet.
     
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  35. RiggensAuroraHO

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    Arm issues? Why play with poly?
     
  36. slowfox

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    Just got a C10 Pro Tour. New. :) Gonna go back and read through this thread before I string it up and give it a test run. Just thought I'd share.
     
  37. GrandSlam45

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    I know I'm being delusional thinking poly would be ok, but Chris from TW recommended a dead poly as the best string choice for this racquet. I was wondering maybe it would be somehow safer with this frame? Yes I know.... delusional.

    I will heed some of your recommendations and try a syn gut. As a recent C10 convert, I have begun the long and arduous process of finding the magic string/tension combo for this racquet.

    Oddly, the demo from TW came strung with Wilson NXT 16 @ 57lbs. and it actually played really well. Maybe I'll just stick to this if I can't find anything better.
     
  38. purpleULAN

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    Were these weights including your dampener? Just received a C10 2010 that weighed in at 339, stock grip, strung with Babolat Xcel Black w/ a 3 gram dampener. Seems like the QC is all over the place.
     
  39. max

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    Guys, I never jumped on the poly bandwagon, so take this skepticism with skepticism, but I never found poly to be a good string for this frame. Better with multifilament or a soft synth for me.

    You don't have to put poly in everything, imho.
     
  40. mrmike

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    So far, my favorite two strings for the C10 Pro have been RIP Control and Hexy Fiber. For me these 2 less lively multis work well. If you get the wrong string combo in this frame it becomes a rocket launcher. Polys just don't work with my arm but that is another way to tone down the power a bit.
     
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    I just picked up a Yellow '10 at 344g w/OG and dampener. Added lead in the handle to match my '12 which also came in light at 349g w/OG and dampener. They're both a touch lighter than stock but both swing great.
     
  42. Ross K

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    Last time I played the C10 it had full Tour Bite at low tensions (like mid-40's), and I thought it played superbly.

    I've read/heard a lot about ppl saying the C10 is a flat hitters frame (have never agreed with this), well, they've never played the C10 w/TB. :)

    For sure, if you're more all court orientated this probably won't suit you, but for camping out from the baseline, well, the spin and oomph was very pronounced, you could really boom and carve the spin like it was an RD7!
     
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    I'm on the border of joining the club and am in the process of demoing the current C10. Trying to decide if I can adjust to this bad-boy. Here are first impressions from two hours of doubles. I'm a 4.0, 51 with a flatter hitting style.

    Definitely felt heavier overall both in weight and swingweight than what I have been playing with, which is either MG Radicals leaded up to 12.2 oz or Ti Radicals with leather grips. The good thing was I was not hitting against big hitters, so I had time to try and adjust my timing. It took me a while to get out of the “swing out” mentality and to allow the racquet to do more of the work. I was finding myself trying to muscle the ball, and that was not working. It took the first full hour before I stopped focusing on what I thought I needed to do, and until I noticed the weight less. The demo has synthetic gut and I was worried about it being too powerful based upon reviews, but I didn’t find that to be an issue.

    Groundstrokes: I actually hit better groundstrokes than I have with either of my Radicals. Somehow, even with the synthetic gut and weight I was able to hit a flatter, more penetrating shot that stayed in. I did benefit from the additional topspin as well. I did find if I TRIED to generate more topspin I had a harder time hitting solid. The key for me was early prep, stepping in, hitting in front, and hitting through the ball towards the target.
    - Forehand was predictable, and I found that it was pretty smooth IF I got good separation between me and the ball. If the ball was in tight to my body I had a harder time getting a good stroke. Biggest issue was racquet preparation, and against a harder hitter I’m not sure how quickly I could adjust.
    - Backhand worked better one-handed than two, and again it was all about racquet prep, stepping in, and hitting in front. I hit a lot of backhand slice, and the C10 seemed to work well with that. Very solid.

    Volleys: Once I figured out I just needed to put the racquet in the path of the ball and let the weight do the work, I volleyed pretty well. Got a lot of digs on balls at my feet. I did overhit a few times even though I didn’t put much into the volley, so I can see where the added power can be an issue. And as much as I wanted to swing at times, I found that didn’t work at all.

    Overhead: One of my most unpredictable areas. I had some good ones and some bad. I didn’t hit any long, but did net a few. Again, early prep and I had to tell myself not to hit the ball so hard.

    Serves: Ouch! This was the area where I struggled the most. Took me almost the full first hour to dial in the serves, and I was double-faulting a lot. I was getting good pop and spin, but could feel that I could not generate the same racquet head speed as I’m used to. I’m sure my technique is not correct for this heavier racquet, as I could tell that I was trying to swing the racquet head fast instead of letting the mass do the work. I had been serving really good in our league match two days before using my MG Rad, but the same stroke was not working with the C10. In the second hour I started making some adjustments and did better, but the hardest part is the brain/muscle memory that wanted to serve differently than what I needed to do with the C10.

    Comfort: No issues there. Very comfortable and solid feeling, although the grip is a little oblong for my hand. I really like the rounder grips (Dunlop), but fortunately the Head’s are pretty close to the Volkl so it wasn’t a huge adjustment.

    I weighed it and balanced it, and without overgrip it was 12.27 oz. and 8 pts. Headlight. With overgrips and dampener it was 12.67 and 10 pts. HL. That’s about 0.5 oz. heavier than my heaviest MG Rad, even though the balance is about the same. Kind of reminded me of my Fischer M-Comp 95’s I used to own several years ago.

    Going to play a few more times to see if I can adjust. I want to like it, but not sure this old bod can handle the weight for an entire match.
     
  44. racquetjunkie

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    They are my current fav sticks. I have been using a pair of 2008s for about 3 years now. I m a 4.0 on a good day. Got the pair from TW. Had their MRT pick out a pair with the lightest swing weights so I can try to match the balance with lead tape. Strung with poly/syn gut hybrid and with over grips they weigh 359g each. I estimate swing weight to be 325-330 with a few inches of lead at 3 and 9. Like many of you already said, very soft feeling and great with poly hybrid (53lbs in the mains). Love the feel, decent power, and stability. They are keepers.
     
  45. mikes1929

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    I've got a 2010 C10 Pro strung with cyclone 16. Overheads have continued to be a problem area for me with this racquet. I finally picked up a used PB10 mid, and I'm serving much better with it. Overheads are much better too.
     
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    Thats weird with the overheads since the C10 has a bigger head. I think the stock PB10 mid is more head light however. Maybe that makes the difference. Also, what tension is the cyclone at in your C10? Trying to get an idea of what a good tension is for polys in that stick.
     
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    My C10 is strung with cyclone 16 and was at 57 lbs, but it's a hair overdue for a string job. Just got cyclone 18 @ 53 in the PB10. From what I hear, most are stringing their C10 ~57.
     
  48. Pandaroo

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    Hi all,

    Newbie from Australia. Excited to see a following of the C10 Pro. Just got mine a few days ago. Never heard of this before only lately realising this model been around for sometime. Coming from using POG OS, a nice change indeed. Really drawn to the comfort, touch and feel of this stick. Got Volkl syn gut at 57lbs at the moment. Will continue to try other strings and different grip sizes/type with overgrips, leather etc.
     
  49. kvan

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    great frame

    Love the frame. The upper hoop flex is perfect and the dwell time seems to never end. I also love volkl's gel buttcap, and the feel from the stringbed is great with some cyclone (17, for me). Nice from everywhere on the court but especially notice I can crush my ohbh more consistently than with my other sticks. Oh, a flared buttcap and some lead at 3 and 9 makes the package even sweeter.
     
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    Sorry, English is not my first language, what is a flared buttcap?
     

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