Völkl C10 Pro Club!

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  1. boinz

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    can anyone point me to a photo of the very first generation C10 Pro that I read comes with R.A.P grommets (CAP grommets Volkl style) I cant find any pic on the net at all. All i get are the fishnet/fishscale ones.
    And if you are interested in selling do also let me know.. i am a sucker for CAPish rackets
     
  2. SOY78

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    I'm not sure if it helps but the only Volkls that has a 10 and a R.A.P./CAP grommets is the Volkl Tour 10 Gen I MP and MID & Gen 2 MP.
    This is from what I know of, unless there was a C10 that wasn't available to the USA market.
     
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    "Never produced for USA market, if made at all."
     
  4. Gee

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    Hereby I would like to share a picture of my Völkl Classic 10 Pro with Fairway leather grip!

    However it is really a crime to install a leather grip without an adhesive backing. That's why I nailed the leather at the buttcap first and I glued (a part of) the leather as well.

    What do you think of my Fairway Lady? :)

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  5. mrmike

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    Nice! What does your C10 weigh with the leather grip? My L5's both weigh about 357 grams strung with a Supergrap overgrip. I also notice it looks like you are using RIP control string? That is one of my favorite setups for the C10. Tames down the power a bit, but provides good spin, control and comfort.
     
  6. Gee

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    This is my second C10 that I still need to match with my first one (see paragraph below) that weighs 356 grams. So that'll be about 361 grams with a Supergrap overgrip (that I still need to wrap on this frame).

    My first C10 weighs 368 grams (with lead from 10-2 and a leather grip with overgrip as well). I added 6-7 grams of lead in order to counterbalance the extra weight of the leather grip and to keep the balance at 8 pts HL. It still plays very maneuverable in spite of its relative high static weight. I don't have a RDC machine but I would like to know the swingweight with the added weight. Maybe can you estimate that?

    I also replaced the original Völkl pallets with S pallets as I prefer a Wilson shaped grip.

    Indeedly the strings are Head RIP Control 17 (at 27/26 kg tension) that I have been using for several years. So I was surprised as well when I read your posts about your experiences with Head RIP Control into the C10 pro.

    They tame the power like polyester strings but they are much more comfortable like a multi string. The only minor is that they still move and I need to straighten every time between the points. However it is not a big problem. Actually it helps me to keep focused during the match.
     
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    Nailing the leather is the right procedure! I always use a copper tack (sweat won't cause it to rust to naught). I think one of my weighted C-9s still has a Fairway.
     
  8. DanJ

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    Does anyone know if there will be a cosmetic update to the C10 Pro this year or next year? And if so, roughly when?
     
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    "Not this year, for sure."
     
  10. DanJ

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    I noticed this was posted in another thread. Do you happen to know the source?
     
  11. RiggensAuroraHO

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    My coach, who frequently play tests the prototypes.
     
  12. Guildenstern

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    Just joined the club, and very happy to belong. What a terrific racquet.

    Special thanks to fuzz_nation, who pointed me to these frames months ago. I'm transitioning from the Yonex RDiS 100 mid. Loved that racquet for a long time, but ultimately it killed my elbow, no matter how I tweaked the strings.

    Dallied for a while with the Prestige IG MP, but needed a little more power I just couldn't find with string setups (or my own technique, let's be clear).

    Maybe this is just the honeymoon phase, but the C10's got everything I'm looking for -- flex, plow, muted power, terrific feel. Now I just gotta find my string setup.

    Thanks, fuzz, for pointing me in the right direction!
     
  13. fuzz nation

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    Sounds like we have a love connection!!!

    Happy hunting in terms of a good string layout. Hard to know what will click for you in these racquets until you take 'em for a schwing. I can be comfortable and confident using multifiber in the colder weather or either 16 or 17 ga. syn. gut in these warmer months as long as it's semi-snug. The plow through and general solidness in this frame brings a little more power for me than some lighter gear, so having "enough" string bed firmness helps me produce a more predictable response with it.

    Also convinced that the hoop flex in the C10 sort of magnifies its arm-friendly performance for me. Tighter string setups don't bug my elbow and even when I sampled a low tension poly hybrid back in the spring, it seemed rather comfortable. Not the case with my O10, which had a similar hybrid for a quick trial run.

    Lots of stringing possibilities - you may want to keep notes as you try one thing or another. I also have lead tape on the handles of at least a couple of my C10's for a little more head-light balance. If you want a little better handling with your frame, especially up around the net, this is a rather easy experiment.
     
  14. Gee

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    I can recommend you the Head RIP Control 17 if you prefer a multi over a poly string.
     
  15. ultradr

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    I'm surprised it has that much power. Strictly from the spec numbers, it can
    not have that much power !
     
  16. Guildenstern

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    Thanks, good to know. I'm definitely not a poly player. What are you stringing the RIP at? How does the tension hold up? It was actually next on my list of multis to try.
     
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    Good to hear, and thanks again for the recommendation. What's worked for you, tension-wise, in hotter weather? I'm in Southern California, so cold weather isn't really an option, per se.
     
  18. Gee

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    I have one strung at 27/26 kg tension. The first few hours it felt a bit boardy to me but after the strings have been broken in it played well. My other Volkl C10 Pro I strung at 26/25 kg that plays more comfortable to me.
    Head RIP Control is a unique string that tames the power of the racquet like a poly string that gives you the confidence to hit through without being afraid to hit long. Besides it is much more comfortable than a polyester string. The tension helds up very well after the few hours of hitting as well.
     
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  19. Guildenstern

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    Thanks for the advice Gee. I'll string it up in a couple weeks and see how she plays!
     
  20. jxs653

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    I can't imagine a racquet like C10 can feel boardy, no matter what tension or type of the string :)
     
  21. Gee

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    You're right. I used the wrong word. I just meant firm in stead of boardy.
    Sorry, English is not my native language as well. ;-)
     
  22. racquetjunkie

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    Just weighed my pair (L5), 2008 black and yellow paintjob. They weigh identically at 343g UNstrung with Gamma leather grips, and a little lead (about 4") at 3 and 9 o'clock. With strings and overgrip they would be around 363g. Definitely heavy but still swing easy.
     
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  23. fuzz nation

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    Right now I'm enjoying some 17 ga. Prince SG w/Duraflex at either 58 or 60 lbs. The 16 ga. option of that string is rather clunky for me, but the 17 ga. version seems to have decent backbone and a good bit more feel. I also have a reel of Ashaway Liberty, which is a very basic (and inexpensive!) syn. gut (16 ga.). This is rather mellow stuff that works fine in my C10's up around 58 lbs., too.

    Head RIP Control is one of the multi's that I rather like and I'll probably sample both a set of 17 ga. and a set of 16 ga. in my frames when the colder months set in again. At the right tension, I'd expect a good showing from these strings in the hotter months, but I'm happy burning through skinny syn. gut with my stringing machine waiting at home.
     
  24. fuzz nation

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    I think that power is a tricky thing to quantify in any racquet. The C10 is somewhat hefty and solid, but its flex probably makes it a bit more mellow (in terms of its response or liveliness) than a similar frame with more stiffness and inherent "pop". What I think that this flex does for me though, is make the racquet's response more predictable.

    When I get that heft moving, I can thump the ball really well, but I can also thump it with accuracy. Not many fliers for me with this racquet compared with something like the Six.One 95, which can play a little on the hot side. When I compare the C10 with my customized O10 on the courts, I can definitely play with more power when swinging the C10 at the ball, even though my O10 is leaded up to a similar weight layout as my C10.
     
  25. Gee

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    The 17 gauge version has much more feel than the 16g one. So I would recommend you to try the thinner version first.

    One funny detail. Besides we both play with the C10 we also have the same date of birth. :)
     
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  26. mrmike

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    Another decent string for the C10 Pro is the new Wilson Optimus 16. I recently participated in the TW string test for this and was pretty pleased with the performance. It doesn't have the spin potential of RIP but is lower powered for a multi and holds tension well. Very easy on the arm also.
     
  27. mrravioli

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    Just have my first hit with c10, strung with alu rough @55 (but the racquettune showed that it's just about 50 now. I strung it three days ago). Hit side by side with the wilson ps95s which has been modded to 360g+ 8phl. Have not weigh the racquet yet but it's very easy to swing compared to my modded 95s. The c10 also feels much more powerful and has good control as well. The slice backhand is insanely good as c10 feels so fast through the air. I didn't notice the ball-pocketing feel in the 95s as c10 has a much denser string pattern, but c10 has even a plusher feel (I always use a dampener in my racquets but c10 just does well with out it)
    Now I'm looking to add a leather grip. As I much appreciate the whippy feel of c10, I don't want the leather to add too much weight to it. So I will weigh the stock grip at first and then make my choice.
     
  28. Gee

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    Good to hear you like the C10! Welcome to the club! ;-) Your impressions are spot on. The C10 is very nice balanced and it has a really nice sensational sweetspot that I experience when hitting a backhand passing shot. The touch is great as well with drop shots and lobs.

    You really don't need worry about the extra weight of a leather grip as the swingweight 'll hardly increase. It 'll feel even more maneuverable because of the lower balance.
     
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  29. ultradr

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    Isn't 16x19 pretty open pattern?
     
  30. mrravioli

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    ok. i only have a rw leather grip by hand, which is one of the heaviests out there, and see how it works.

    i'm also surprised that the tip-dead and grip-shap problem was not that much and i hardly spent any time adjust to it from the wilson feel and grip. maybe these problems are just discussed too much and have become somewhat a myth.

    my only complaint about c10 is that it's a bit too powerful for my taste and i was prone to hitting long when generating my own power to kill my opponent. that certainly was my own fault. i'll have some more hits in coming days to adjust to it and maybe try some different steing setup next time.
     
  31. mrravioli

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    yes it is. but the 95s with 16*15 is super open
     
  32. mrravioli

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    Just weighed my C10. It came at 349g strung with an overgrip. Then I took off the stock twin absorber grip which weighs at 13g. After slapping on a tw leather grip and add 2g of lead at 2&10, it's now 365g. I could still swing it quite fast but yet to be seen if that would benefit my game. Eager to play with it tomorrow to see how it works.
     
  33. Gee

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    Pretty the same setup as mine. I only added about 6 grams of lead from 2-10 (at the whole tip bumper guard area). I also use the Völkl dampeners. It still swings rather easy to me in spite of the high static weight.

    Just string tighter in order to tame the power a bit or try another low powered string.

    Good luck!
     
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    Another C10 Pro fan

    Just chiming in as another fan. I started playing the game in earnest 5-6 years ago with the POG OS in my hands, based on searching the intrawebs for the longest-running classic racquet and figuring if I could learn to play with that, then I'd be OK. Had tried many other racquets over the last five years but kept coming back to the POG.

    This racquet finally moved me off the POG. Does everything the POG does and, for me at least, serves much better, esp. in terms of placement, and is also more confidence-inspiring for drop shots and quick net play. Perhaps the only thing it doesn't do as well as the POG is pick up nasty half volleys, but IMO the POG is in a class of its own on these kinds of shots.

    Had a brief romance last year with the Head Extreme Pro IG 2.0 but then my wrist and arm started to hurt. And I also had a few too many fliers off the back fence with that racquet.

    I've added a Gamma leather grip and a bit of butt flare with electrical tape. Currently stringing with Gosen Polylon SP at 45#.
     
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    For the past year I've been into customized racquets, experimenting with all sorts of racquets + lead tape placement combos. And then I tried the 2012 C10 Pro. I'm in love. I now play with it exclusively. Stock.

    Btw, anyone understand japanese here? There's this video in which the C10 is compared with the O10mid and the O10 325. It'd be great to know what the playtesters thought. Thanks in advance:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFUhw3E0BX0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
     
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    I would like to know that too. I asked them to translate into English. Maybe you can place a remark about this as well.
     
  37. ultradr

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    I'm demoing c10 pro. It is very interesting frame. Coming from Head FXP Prestige MP.

    Instant extra spin with backhand slice and 2nd serve. Felt like automatic
    free spin. Coming from one of the most dense 18x20 on the market, that's kinda
    expected. But C10's 16x19 did not feel like that open. It's dense for 16x19 on 98.

    Interesting thing is the racquet felt flexible at times but then very firm at times.
    It was strange. The racquet sometimes seems to flex a few inches (exaggeration warning) and sometimes feel extremely firm at times.

    Initially felt low powered but I could blast shots after 1-2 hour hitting.
    Still felt lower powered compared to my prestige mp.

    RacquetTune measured 41 lbs on this TW demo C10 pro.
    Maybe it's been strung pretty low. I wonder this tension is affecting the feel of this demo....

    How this racquet would feel different if it's strung over 60 lbs with gut or multi's?

    I would also appreciate any feedback on my demo comments above.
    Thanks in advance.
     
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    Guess I got lucky last week, TW was showing the C10 Pro for $109 if buying two or more so I bought a pair. Later in the week, it was back to the $159 / $149 for 2+ pricing.

    I love getting and trying new racquets at close out pricing, and while I have been experimenting with the Prestige S I bought earlier this summer (at the ridiculously low $65 price) I could not resist the C10 Pro at $109 a racquet. I love the old school softer feel/more flexible racquets and this racquet hits that particular sweet spot.

    I have 3 hours on one of the frames and was quite impressed with the results. I had it strung with Cyclone 16 @ 50 lbs, and love the feel of this racquet right out of the bag. I find the racquet forgiving, powerful, accurate, and that it has the plush feel I love. The 3 hours of court time was spent in group drills so I hit hundreds of ground strokes and volleys and the c10 Pro was awesome at both aspects. Great spin and depth on the ground strokes (over spin) and wonderful touch and feel at net volleying. I did not get to hit many slice backhands as I was working on my over spin during the drills, but the few that I did hit worked out perfectly.

    I worked on the serve a bit and adapted to the C10 fairly quickly after using the Prestige S. I was getting a bit more spin and pop compared to the S, and even had one player refuse to return my serves (mixed drills) as they were coming in too hot. I have been working on my serve technique the past two weeks and it looks like it is starting to pay off.

    Comparing it to racquets I have used recently, I found it similar in many qualities to the POG OS. The C10 has a better/softer feel in my hands compared to the POG OS and is more maneuverable at net. I find the POG OS more forgiving on serves and a bit easier access to spin, but the C10 seems to have a more forgiving sweet spot when it comes to power fall off. Off center hits went deeper into the court with more spin.

    Compared to the Prestige S, I find the C10 to be more forgiving, more powerful, more access to spin, and more consistent in producing deeper ground strokes. The Prestige S is more maneuverable at net and a bit more precise in control.

    So far, I have found the C10 to be exactly what I have looking for when I started the Prestige S experiment: a more flexible, more controllable, more maneuverable, POG OS. It reminds of when I first picked up a PK Copper Ace back in the 80's, it is a racquet that seems to fit me perfectly. I guess the lighter experiment with S is over, time to lead those up to a heavier spec. Of course, for now, the C10 Pro is going to be the first stick out of the bag.
     
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    Yeah a little...mostly verbal abuse though :)
     
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    Thanks!! I don't have any playing footage at the moment unfortunately but I'll post some if I get it. My playing level is around 5.0.
     
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    Would this mean a new version is coming? (although it is likely to be just new paint scheme...)
     
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    Thank you! Definitely the racquet :) I may post another video soon. Have some more tricks up my sleeve.
     
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    It is back to normal pricing again. Not sure if it was a limited time deal or if there was a mistake. Price for one was still $159' but the multiple purchase price was $50 vs $10 off like normal.

    Read on some thread that TW asked their Volkl rep about a new paint job for 2014 and the response was that it was coming in 2015 instead of the two year paint cycle.
     
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    A while back, TW had the 2012 C10 Pro for $99 on Wednesday Happy Hour. I almost pulled the trigger then, but already have two 2010 sticks which are in great shape. Still haven't found a frame I like better yet. True classic.
     
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    Just chiming in to say that I am still playing with my c10 pros over a year later. Before that I switched racquets constantly.

    C10 Pro is such a strange beautiful racquet. It is kind of a rare combination of power and control, without relying on spin, and all the while being comfortable. Love it.
     
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    Love it to death. I felt the C10 being a bit heavy at first but now I play it with a leather grip and 1.5g each at 10 & 2 to make it more headlight. The setup allows me to swing smoother and more confidently.
     

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