Völkl C10 Pro Club!

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  1. veecee

    veecee New User

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    I read a lot about the C10 offering a bit of an old school feel. I'm currently really enjoying my Pro Staff 95, mainly for the buttery smooth feel of its box beam design. I do wish for a bit more power at times and that's got me thinking of a C10. With that in mind, can anyone compare the feel of the C10 to a Pro Staff 95?
     
  2. fuzz nation

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    I have a matched pair of new C10's and I've leaded the handle of one, but it has a different (perhaps lighter) overgrip than the other. The leaded one is currently 8 grams heavier, but I'm considering a little more lead on that handle depending on how I settle in with its feel and behavior. Static weights on these are 352g/12.4 oz. stock (with Yonex Suprer Grap), 360g/12.7 oz. tuned (with Wilson Pro Overgrip).

    I also have an '08 C10 with a leaded handle and a TournaGrip. This one weighs 366g/12.9 oz. Pretty sure that this year is the same as the current ones aside from the new paint.

    Tuning these by feel isn't the most exact science, but it's nice to be able to compare a stock frame side by side with the same frame that's tuned for more HL balance. Very easy for me to recognize the better fit when I'm swinging a racquet with a more familiar balance. Despite the extra heft, I get a much better ride with "enough" HL balance.
     
  3. jjs891

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    Thanks fuzz for the info.
    I have 08 ? (mostly blk) one stock that weighs 12.4 oz with an overgrip. I think I would like it a bit more head light but am hesitant to add any more weight as it is pretty close to the max for me. I might just try it with lead tape just under the overgrip as you suggested Thanks again.

    Have you tried leather grip ?
     
  4. GrandSlam45

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    The C10 has way more plow than the PS 95 and more power to boot. The PS 95 is a full half ounce lighter than the C10 so these 2 sticks aren't really in the same ball park. A closer Wilson companion to the C10 would be the Six.One line.
     
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    Long time C10 user and current six.one user. At this point I really like the six.one. It is stiffer and has a more open string pattern. Along with that more open string pattern, I think you get more spin. For me, spin equals control. The two frames are identical in weight categories. IME, the six.one has more plow than the C10 but that may be because it's stiffer. I also like the six.one at net better.
     
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    Has anyone put a leather grip on their C10 Pro and how did the extra weight on the handle effect the performance? I was thinking of doing this, but my C10's weigh about 12.6 oz stock with an overgrip. A leather grip may push it to 13oz, which may be a bit much. Of course, since the extra weight would all be at the handle I assume it wouldn't effect the swing weight much other than making the racquet more head light. I like the idea of a leather grip since it defines the bevels better. With an overgrip on top of the stock synthetic it tends to round off the grip and make it a little mushy.
     
  7. fuzz nation

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    I haven't used a leather grip in a long time, just because I think it would probably tear up my hand pretty good if I used by itself. Sometimes I like a TournaGrip - usually in the warmer weather - but right now I'm trying the moderately tacky Wilson Pro overgrips.

    Volkl's stock replacement grips give me decent enough definition of the bevels on my racquets with an overgrip on top of them and I also keep a few basic Gosen replacement grips handy, too. These are also both thin and firm enough to give me decent feel of my bevels with an overgrip on top.

    The big revelation with leading the handles of heavier frames came for me when I was trying out some Head LM Prestige mids. These were plenty hefty for me stock, but also too sluggish for me to do much of anything with on the courts, so I put a lot of lead on their handles. Static weight ended up at 13.4 oz. with a balance of 11 or 12 pts. HL. Plenty heavy, but much more manageable and maneuverable on the courts for me once I learned to use better stroke preparation. These racquets were good "trainers" for me, but really only useful for hitting full speed with all that beef on board.
     
  8. fuzz nation

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    The O10 325g's were really exciting for me after I tuned mine because they gave me easier access to spin - agree that more spin can bring lots of extra control and consistency. My C10's still have the edge in straight up power, but I'm also noodling around with some Six.One 95's from the BLX Amplifeel generation.

    These Wilsons feel a little leaner and quicker around the court compared with my C10's - I should compare their weights. While spin production with the Six.Ones is no problem, I'm getting a little more irritation with these racquets strung with syn. gut. No tuning with these yet, but I'm probably going to try one strung with perhaps RIP Control or another multifiber to see if it runs more cozy for me. My arm definitely enjoys "enough" heft and softness in a racquet, but a softer string could be exactly what works for me with the Wilson.
     
  9. jjs891

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    I also have a n-code six one 95 16x18. I think c10 and six one 95 play fairly similarly but I like volleys with six one better.
    Spin is also better with six one, but i somehow serve better with c10. C10 also has more raw power on full swing but they are very close.

    I'll be trying both for a while, and have some fun with both.
     
  10. mrravioli

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    i use a tw leather grip on my c10 and it's now slightly over 360g strung without dampner and the small rubber band came with it on the handle. it does feel a bit heavier at first with the higher static weight but after a little adjusting time that will be ok. if you are more accustomed to a very hl balance and the feel of leather, that could encourage you to swing even more confidently.and efficiently ime.
     
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    Well, I broke out a C10 and weighed it and the six.one when I bought them. The six.one is actually heavier than the C10! I am with you, the six.one feels a little quicker around the court. Go figure.

    I just read another review that the RF97 has a tad more spin than the six.one because even with the extra cross, the middle of the frame is more open than the six.one. I have to say that even after a year with the six.one, I'm still honeymooning! I bought my two six.ones, the 2012 BLX's 367 days ago today! I did relent about 3 months ago and pulled the synthetic grips off them and replace with leather.
     
  12. ultradr

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    C10 is fastest swinging 12+ oz racquet I've ever hit.

    I'm only into 1st 15 hours with my new c10 and I feel like I actually mis-hit
    sometimes because it is swinging too quick. :) Coming from Prestige MP....
     
  13. Gee

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    Compared to the stock synthetic Völkl grip I noticed a little less power and stability with my groundstrokes due to the lower balance.
    However I get a crisper feedback and a more solid feel with a leather grip. Of course I always use an overgrip as well.
     
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  14. veecee

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    Thanks mate. I lead up my PS95 to around 355g strung and I also have a 6.1 so the plow is not the issue. All I'm curious about is what the C10 feels like on contact. The PS95 is buttery smooth on contact and ideally I'm after something in feel but with a bit more oomph. Anyway care to comment on the C10's feel compared to the Wilson box beam?
     
  15. mrravioli

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    I played with the Pro Staff 95S for a while and then bought a C10. I leaded my 95S up to around 360g. To me, C10 still has better plow thru and feel than the Pro Staff beefed up. The 95S is better in spin production but C10 should be on par with the normal 95 which I've never tried (but I guess they are more similar than different). I much preferred C10 and have sold my 95S.

    P.S. Just noticed that 'FEEL' is what you care most about. C10 is the best illustration of the unique Volkl feel IMO. As mentioned above, it's the so-called 'love it or hate it' stuff (some ppl call it the 'wet noodle' feel). Do give it a try.
     
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  16. veecee

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    Thanks mate. Just what's I was after. The C10 is creeping onto my shopping list! Feedback from others are most welcome, especially if you have had experience with both the C10 and box beam Pro Staffs.
     
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    Update for those who've had trouble with serving powerfully with the C10. My coach suggested that I try using the racquet without the overgrip, and it worked! I was finally able to feel that the heft of the racquet was launched toward the ball, for lack of better words. Something with the balance. Anyway it worked for me.
     
  18. Gee

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    I said this earlier as well. Try to raise the balance by adding lead at the tip or by removing some weight from the grip.
     
  19. Soundbyte

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    I've got 2 headed my ways. After talking myself out of trying the C10 months ago, I've gone full circle and traded for a pair of them. Looking forward to them! I primarily use a Ai98 now as my main stick so I'm curious to make the comparison (after the Babolat PC95+/PCT failed to win me over)
     
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    What's wrong with PC95+? It received so much positive feedback :confused:
     
  21. Soundbyte

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    Nothing was wrong was it...its a great stick. I highly enjoyed that frame, but I ended up liking the Ai98 better. It's really a matter of personal preference. If there weren't so many rackets with great reviews to choose from, i'd probably be using it still. The PC95+ is still my 2nd favorite racket to be released recently. It just didn't beat out the Ai98 (another awesome stick).
    Really, I'm just going through a mini racket-holic phase where I'm trying out all the great frames I avoided trying in the past. So naturally, the C10 Pro gets a look.
     
  22. bosko

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    posted in the strings section:

    I'm curious what your favorite poly strings, gauge, tension are for those of you using this racquet. The demo I tried was strung with Volkl V-Pro 17 at around 53lbs and it felt Ok but not dialed in.

    Thanks,
     
  23. ultradr

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    Hmm, interesting. That would be somewhat similar to adding a bit of lead around the head. But it would lose a bit of manuverability.
     
  24. suyema

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    Agree. I usually use an overgrip (tourna grip/ wilson pro) that adds about 5~6 grams and thats more than enough for me to feel a noticeable diff in the way my c10s swing through. Currently using gosen contour grip trimmed to 14 grams. that seems to be the right balance for me. At one point I tried the volkl and TW leather grips but that made my c10s way to clunky~
     
  25. suyema

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    Refer to the post above~ I had my leather grips trimmed to 20 grams with an overgrip and for my swing style it felt too clunky. My current c10s (3x '10s and 1x '12) weigh 355~358 grams total with string savers, vib dampener, head tape, overgrip, and a few grams of lead at the throat and/or 6 o clock and 9 o clock~
     
  26. RanchDressing

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    My favorite poly setup on a c10 was Cyclone tour 17 anthracite in the crosses at ~50 and Blackwidow Mains 16g ~55lbs. That or a full bed of Cyclone 18g..
    Topsin Cyberflash is great on this frame aswell, tons of comfort and control.

    I feel like the c10 pro is one of the few frames where you can't go wrong with almost any good poly
     
  27. Rabbit

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    Re-joined after a hiatus. It is the best choice for me!
     
  28. Gee

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    Welcome back to the C10 club, Rabbit!

    Honestly I was a little surprised when I read you switched to the Wilson 6.1 that has a completely different feel than the C10.

    Granted the 6.1s seem great rock solid players frames to me as well but they are also rather stiff and not the most arm friendly ones. That's why I don't buy them myself though I sometimes am tempted to.

    Indeedly the C10 Pro is a much healthier choice for your arm. I hope you'll recover from your injury soon.
     
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    After a brief membership, I'm resigning my C10 Pros in favor for some Pacific Frames. I've listed my 3 C10s (2010 colorway I believe) in the classified section, in case anyone here is looking to increase their arsenal.
     
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    Yep, that's exactly right. After playing with the six.one for over a year now, I've developed a mild case of golfer's elbow. I've been using a flex bar and changed back to the C10 last Saturday. And...I'm happy to report I've already seen improvement in my arm. I think, I hope, this is my final destination at least until I can't swing a C10 effectively which should be a while off.

    I would've gone the Pacific route had I not already had the C10s. And, for me, they are a known.
     
  31. Soundbyte

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    I know that feeling. I acquired some Pacific frames in a trade and they instantly won me over. I've replaced my PS90s with them as my go-to frame, but I'm still holding on to some PS90s, IG Mids, and MW 200Gs for hitting. But its time I let my C10s go...Also because right now the wife doesn't like that fact that I have so many frames, and the C10s aren't seeing the courts much anymore.
     
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    I'm using both. Pacific X Force Pro 18x20 for indoors or fast courts (grass) where my positon on the court is on the baseline line or inside teh court. Volkl c10 Pro for european clay, where this kids play with insane spin and push me 2 meters behind the baseline. Volkl give me this extra push i need to still put the ball deep back. Both racquests are amazing.
     
  33. Rabbit

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    Yeah, I'm actually going to replace my 4 1/2 pallets with 4 1/4. (Thank goodness for Volkl/Pacific's replaceable pallets!) I do wish Volkl was like Pacific and used screws rather than double sided tape as it is a much cleaner install. But I can report that I played last night and find the golfers elbow which nagged me now for a couple of months has gone. If you look at the specs of the C10 versus the six.one, I almost believe that it's the grip shape that makes the difference.

    Until I get my new pallets, I'm playing my C10s bare with one Tournagrip wrapped around it. It ain't so bad!
     
  34. ultradr

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    I love everything about C10 pro except serving. Probably the most balanced
    frame for both volleying and ground strokes. I volley my best with C10 while
    sacrificing nothing in ground stroke department. It's just serving that I can not
    get as much as my last frame, Head Prestige MP. Maybe it's revealing a flaw
    in my serving mechanics. :wink:
     
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    I bought two of yellow (2010) version, strung them with gut 2000 @25kg and hit yesterday. Very like it as soon as i hit the ball. I didn't feel the upper hoop flex at all and my previous worry was eliminated. Very traditional feel like my beloved Gaphite Edge with much more forgiving. It is well dampened and so it is not as crisp as my Redondo and has less raw feel. But it is not so much and is acceptable. This the first time i hit Volkl and like the volkl feel. I am considering buy some more.
     
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    Welcome to the club! :)

    I also own (3 of) the yellow 2010 version strung with MSV Focus Hex 1.10 at 23/22 kg.

    The upper hoop flex issue has been solved with the later versions (from 2008 I guess). I also never noticed this problem with my C10s.

    Most people on this forum seem to prefer the black pj but I am one of the minority who prefers the yellow pj over the black ones. I think the yellow 2010 paintjob is much more clean than the black with yellow honeycomb style.

    I am curious about the new paintjob that has been scheduled to be released this Summer. A clean look in almost whole black would be nice. Maybe a kind of 2010 version into black instead of yellow.
     
  37. Rabbit

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    I've got the original paint job and the 2008 paint job. I have to say that when I broke them back out, the glossy black was where I went. They are just plain sexy.
     
  38. Gee

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    I suppose a glossy black pj would look cool. However I never saw that in person.

    What do you think about the PB10 Mid 2013 paintjob? I wish they'll give the new C10 such a similar pj.
     
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    ^^^^^^^^
    Sigh.....yeah, I'd buy that! That is sweet.
     
  40. Gee

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    Me too! I hope Völkl'll hear our voice! Maybe we should start a petition? :)
     
  41. max

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    I wish they'd just change the damn grip shape.
     
  42. Rabbit

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    When I changed from the six.one back to the C10, I didn't miss a beat. I think the Wilson, either the flex pattern or the grip shape is what contributed to my golfer's elbow. Using the C10 has been like a balm to my arm!

    I also find the Volkl grip shape makes me move my hand around a bit more producing a more exaggerated grip, especially on the forehand which helps with spin.

    Have you tried one of the other pallets? The S pallet is more Wilson-like.
     
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    Having read the latest here I gave my 2014 C10 Pro a serve practise today.
    I find it fine to serve with. Very easy on my arm for flat and kickers.
    Easy power too.
    Will hit with it some more at the weekend.

    Not found the grip shape any issue but I do like a few overgrips on so it prob masks the shape.
     
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    Until my new 4.25 pallets come in, I'm playing with my old 4.5 pallets with no grip and one Tournagrip. It's a little rough on the hand!
     
  45. Gee

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    I installed S-pallets on my C10s that I bought from TW Europe as I prefer a Wilson like grip as well. It is a little extra customizing work but it is worth it!
     
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    yeah, TW Europe is out of the regulars....I hope to get some in soon
     
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    Have any of you hit with the C10 Pro tour 93?
     
  48. Rabbit

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    If you mean the old black/yellow one, yes. Volkl reintroduced it in a second model several years later. It was as close to wood as I've seen. A buddy of mine has two or three.
     
  49. mrravioli

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    Glossy black C10? That's pure sexy. Have that been confirmed officially?

    BTW, anyone add lead @12 to C10 Pro? I tried merely 2g (not quite accustomed to polarized setups) on my PB10 Mid and that made a great difference in plow through. My concern's that C10 is already a bit heftier in stock than the PB10 though.
     
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    I'd like to see a glossy black with the inside of the hoop a glossy yellow.
     

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