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  1. luishcorreia

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    Hi everyone. A lot of clubs going around here... But none regarding this fantastic brand, now Angell Sports. I own two vtcustom 100sqin, 310g, 6 pts HL, 63RA racquets and also a Bast Core BC30.

    I have never looked back after buying a vantage almost 5 years ago.

    Please.. All vantage users, join the club.
     
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  2. Stringers

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    Angell frames have definitely peaked my interest lately.

    Currently hitting with a C10 Pro that I'm trying to mesh with, but I'm thinking about Angell for comparisons sake.

    The frame I put together

    TC95
    16x19
    70RA
    Extended Length either 27.25 or 27.5
    320-330 g. 11.4-11.7 Oz.
    310 mm 10 Pts. HL
    C Handle Shape
    4 3/8 Grip
    Red BG
    Red Grip

    Just curious to opinions? Decent Stick? Or uncontrollable mess? haha

    I'm a primary baseliner keeping the ball out of the middle of the court to get short balls and to put points away at the net. My serve is my biggest weapon with a big flat serve and heavy slice/kick serve. Thus the extended length and 70 RA stiffness, really want to produce a stick that plays to my game with my serve and ground strokes.

    Definitely prefer 16x19 open string pattern to the livelier feel/action on the ball. Love a 10 Pt. HL balance

    Just trying to find the perfect mix. Love the plush feel of my C10 but looking for a little crisper response.

    Played with an extended length racquet before and loved the results. Don't come to net much but when I do I put it away, rather than going for touch unless I have to or playing I'm doubles. I do want it to be maneuverable tho so I'm between the .25 or .5 extension.

    Oh and looking for a swing weight in the 320-330 range.

    Anyways I'll hang up and listen haha
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  3. El Diablo

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    the frames PIQUE your interest, after which your interest PEAKS.

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    Out of respect for the proprietor perhaps the Angell Tennis Club would be more apt, or at least Vangell?
     
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  4. rlau

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    I agree, an Angell Tennis Club thread would be more appropriate now the Angell brand has been established to replace the Vantage brand.

    Anyway, for those that still have Vantages, let's come together... right now.... in sweet harmony.... oh yeah ;-)

    I have two Vantage 221s, 16x19, 63 flex, all black, 315 grams unstrung, 315 cm unstrung balance.

    I haven't given them a proper test drive though, only two or three hours on the red clay a couple of months back. I guess they'll do better indoors on the carpet courts I play in the winter.
     
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  5. Stringers

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    Well just ordered a TC95.

    16x19, 70 flex, 27.5", 11.4 Oz, 10 Pts. HL

    Can't wait! Just curious how long it took for y'all to receive your frame?
     
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  6. luishcorreia

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    Not that angell frames arent great...but my point was really about owners of the "old" vantage frames... After all they where the first in custom frames... But by all means.. Vantage and Angell,..,come on in :)
     
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  7. luishcorreia

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    How long do you have them? Why play so little with them?
     
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  8. smirker

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    Only the name has changed, the frames are the same as they were when the company was Vantage. Picked up a TC100 from Paul to demo, can't wait to get out on court with it.
     
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  9. rlau

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    Hi,

    I have had them for about half a year now. I've played so little with them because I'm a racquetholic and love trying/playing different frames. :oops:
     
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  10. 0d1n

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    I think with the extended length you'll get a bigger SW than your desired number.
    I think standard length is around 330 as a rule...and half an inch in length adds quite a bit to the SW number. You could ask them to hand pick something for you though...with the original manufacturing tolerances you might get lucky.
     
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  11. Stringers

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    Hmmmm... well now I'm concerned haha.

    Could anyone send me an email address or # to contact Paul or Sven?
     
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  13. luishcorreia

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    Wanna sell them?
     
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    Thanks! Got a reply from Paul. Said I'd have a SW approximately around 335. .25 extension would put it around 327
     
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    I should probably give them a good try-out before deciding on selling them. Can I get back to you on this next month?
     
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  16. luishcorreia

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    Of course. What are the specs?
     
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  17. rlau

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    See post #4 + Wilson shaped handle grip 3.
     
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  18. smirker

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    That doesn't sound right to me. .25" extension would increase, not decrease the SW?
     
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  19. rlau

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    Stringers probably referred to a 0.5 vs a 0.25 inch extension.
     
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    Ah, ok. makes more sense. Just got a TC100 in to try. Weather in UK so awful at the moment I haven't been able to hit with it yet (no access to indoor courts where I am). I hate winter tennis!
     
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  22. luishcorreia

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    95sqin head?
     
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  23. Stringers

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    Yeah sorry about that. Paul said 27.25" would give a swing weight approx. 327. The 27.5" approx. 335.

    To anyone questioning their customer service, Paul was terrific with me helping me settle on the best specs.

    Said my frame should be constructed this weekend!
     
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  24. smirker

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    No worries. Just a misunderstanding of your post.

    I happen to live near Paul and he not only made up a racket for me to demo, he hand delivered it to my house! Now that is good service. A personal service based on trust is a winning combination when backed up by a quality product.

    Lets hope he can build the brand back up to where it was.
     
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  25. rlau

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    Yes, 95 sq inch head.
     
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    Not sure if this qualifies as customer service, but I messaged Paul through his website asking him if I could buy some grip pallets for putting on a used Angell frame I was thinking of buying on TW, and he never replied. I suppose it's not in his interest to sell pallets, because it creates a bigger market for used frames taking away sales from the new ones.

    I also have a Vantage VT221B I bought it with a larger grip size hoping to replace it with a smaller pallet, I emailed the website that still sells the custom frame in US, but the vantage people never responded. So I put it up for auction and it's still up, but I don't think there is a demand for a frame with a larger grip size.
     
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  28. rlau

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    FWIW, Paul seems pretty responsive on Twitter -- you could try that channel.
     
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  29. Stringers

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    Paul responded every time if I emailed him directly.
     
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    Yeah it was probably a mistake to do it through his website, but I didn't know his email address.

    It's too late now, I am selling the Vantage for dirt cheap on the "fe****" and just bought a Pro One 97 so going to give that a try.

    I must say that the Vantage did have a unique feel to it, maybe it was psychological because I know it's made out of "High Modulus Carbon Fibre" (that's what it says on it) and that just sounds too cool! It's the same stuff the Mclaren F1, the Bugatti Veyron and the Batmobile are made out of!
     
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  31. Akubra

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    Vantage is not now Angell sports. Vantage is now Vantage International:

    http://www.vantagetennisintl.com/

    Paul Angell split off to make his own brand. I've dealt with Sven since the break, and he's putting out the same quality Vantage frames he always did.
     
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  32. Dave M

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    That'snot really true, vantage tennis (the original company)became Angell sport, "vantagetennisintl" was registered in the US by Sven for Paul when they set up togther as it's a lot easier to work thorough the US legal system (pretty much any countries in fact) when you are physically there.(Dates can be checked online somewhere for the reg of both compaines somewhere IIRC)
    The racquets design/ mold etc still belong to Paul so when the U.S stock has run out it'll be interesting to see what happens then.
     
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  33. Akubra

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    Sven bought out Paul's share of Vantage, so I don't see how Vantage could have become Angell. Paul sold his part of the business to Sven, then they squabbled over some of the stuff afterwards (Paul refused to hand over the facebook account, for example). Sven's still been making customs for the college team I coach and they are the same great quality etc as always. I don't know how Paul would have kept the mold etc when Sven was the one who came away with the business name and was physically the one making rackets in the US.
     
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  34. Dave M

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    Who told you Sven bought anything?Sven made no indication of that when i spoke to him a few months back and Paul certainly didn't.
    I think you're misinformed about the racquets, they are not made in the US the hairpins sent to him and they assemble the racquet to the customers specs,(weights/ grommets)I have no doubt he has been supplying the "same great quality" they are the stock he built up when with Paul, they are the same as they were, as i said before it'll be interesting to see what happens when they have sold out.
    Paul designed them, paid for them to be made so yes they, the intellectual property of them would belong to him.I highy doubt they've ever actually been in the USA and would of spent most of their lives probably in China having racquets made from them.
    THe reason the vantage facebook acc etc remaned with Paul is because they are his, vantage tennis was his, he created it and Sven was his partner in the US, you take someone on board to sell for you under a license agreement that's what it is, if they stop paying you the fee each month/quarterly/year then they are not involved anymore. Legally person B isn't entitled to keep selling under the same name (or copy a website-if it was his, why doesn't it work as it used to where you could build a frame one step at a time?) however the cost of going through the courts to stop someone is huge for a niche company and can't be worthwhile.
     
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  35. Dave M

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    Forgot this bit, If that is the case, why has he called it "intl" not just vantage tennis as the company was?
     
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  36. Akubra

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    You're absolutely right on the manufacture of the rackets - brain fart on my part (woken up super early by the kids today so I'm still half asleep). I won't claim to know facts, and frankly I don't want to speak on Sven's behalf. I've heard some things from a couple of different places, and won't for a second pretend like I know the absolute of what happened!

    I only ever dealt with Sven. He always did the right thing by me and my team. Since the split he has continued to do so. I am not meaning to speak ill of Paul at all - I've never even talked to the guy let alone dealt with him. Honestly I wasn't really thinking about what Sven will do for frames moving forward. It will be interesting! It'd also be interesting to know the truth of what happened between them, but I guess only they will really ever know.
     
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  37. Dave M

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    I know those mornings!!! ;-)
    It's a shame whatever happened happened because Im sure given a decent push over there they would of become (more)popular because it is a very good "old school" product in a time of too much marketing hype,just glad i found them.
    I've delt with both over the years having ordered from over there (in the US) when i was there and here for both vantage and angell frames.
    I've had more dealings with Paul recently, though as a customer Sven did right by me so no complaints there, it's just a shame it ended the way it did esp with the owner designer having to relaunch to avoid confusion when he had put so many years into his baby.
    Hope you manage to get some sleep, it's what i asked for for Christmas!!
    :)
     
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  38. Akubra

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    I could be wrong but I seem to remember Sven saying money had changed hands. That's where things like the facebook came into question - access was supposed to be part of the deal. But like I said, we'll never really know what happened (unless maybe they both come out and tell the same story).
     
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  39. luishcorreia

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    THe problem with VantageIntl.. is the shipping expenses. For Europe....

    I asked about 10$ woth of grommets and but caps... and the shipping was 62$.

    I turned it down.. makes no sense...

    whatever..
     
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  40. luishcorreia

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    I order from tennis-warehouse US all the time, string sets, and for a 50$ US order I pay something like 15$ for shipping.
     
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    I've contacted Paul through his FB page. Angell Sports. He replied within 24hrs.
     
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  42. craniopath

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    does anyone else thinks vantage grip size is about half size larger?
    I compare it to Head TK82s.
     
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  43. craniopath

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    Help grip size

    Could anyone with a size 4 or 5, either wilson or dunlop grip size/shape and leather grip measure the circumference of the grip? Without an overgrip if possible, or not. Somewhere around the middle of the grip, that's where I measure.
    much appreciated
     
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  44. Lukhas

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    ^Should ask the Angell users. The same frames, only a different name.
     
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