Venus Williams on beating male pros

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  1. scotus

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    Here is a quote from the March 2006 issue of Tennis magazine, p. 25:

    "None!... When the serve comes into play, it's crazy! Without a serve, I could beat any single one of them."
    --Venus Williams on which male pros she could beat, in New York magazine."

    So, it seems that she has finally given up on the idea that she could beat the ATP players. But on the other hand, she still thinks that she could beat "any one of them" if serves are taken away.

    Hmm, can she beat Federer, Nadal, Agassi, or even Coria?
     
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  2. PM_

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    ahhh, just some fun speculation. no harm in that.
     
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  3. jhhachamp

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    I would say she is technically correct. If the male pros did not have serves, I am not sure how they would start the point when it was their turn to serve. They would probably double fault a lot without a serve, and Venus would only have to win a few points on her serve to win.
     
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  4. SteveI

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    Hummm,

    Only problem is that Venus would have to get the ball over the net more than 5 times in row to have a chance to beat any male player. On the WTA tour most ladies miss the court after about 5 balls. Once again.. the Williams Sister Act needs a nice dose of reality. Is she for real???

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  5. ACE of Hearts

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    It would be nice to have a match like that, both sisters against the in the middle of the pack players in the atp.I would love too see Bags vs Venus, pound her with those serves:) and then after the match Williams is all but humble:mrgreen:
     
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  6. Tim Tennis

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    You can't be serious

    "None!... When the serve comes into play, it's crazy! Without a serve, I could beat any single one of them."
    --Venus Williams on which male pros she could beat, in New York magazine."

    Surely, she was just joking.
     
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  7. Shabazza

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    she can't be so delusional, can she? must be a joke
     
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  8. superman1

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    Venus at her very best could not even push...I don't know...Danielle Braccialli? I hope she was joking. If Agassi dinked his serves in, she still wouldn't win a game off of him. And Federer? Wow...
     
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  9. mellofelow

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    Nuts!!! Imagine this, Venus against #200 male pro, let's let Venus serve a whole set. She'll still lose.
     
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  10. superman1

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    It's just delusion. Men's tennis requires far more skill than women's. You can't just overpower the men from the baseline, especially if you're not as strong, fast, or skilled. If Martina Hingis was stronger and faster, she'd have a shot against a man even with a decent serve, she's a better volleyer than most of the men and has better court sense. But Venus Williams??
     
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  11. dozu

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    it's another reflection of the inferiority complex for someone grown out of the gheto.
     
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  12. VGP

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    Skill aside, if you've got a -32 differential on winners to unforced in two sets, Venus is high if she thinks she could beat "any single one of them."
     
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  13. snowpuppy

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    This ones easy, just have male pro beat her on a type of match where only she serves.
     
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  14. progman_2000

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    I thought Donald Trump tried to get Venus to play an exhibition with John Mac. a couple of years ago and Richard Williams was having none of it - a shame, would love to see Johnie Mac have a field day with her (and he would)
     
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  15. vllockhart

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    Damn, yall are haters. Venus could certainly hold her own against male players. Hell, I've played male players in singles and beaten them. They are in better shape, have better serves and hit the ball harder than I do, but I compete better.

    (I'm ranked a very humble 3.0, so I'm not talking about any high level tennis with here. ;) )


    Don't forget, she's won grand slams in mixed doubles as well as singles, and I believe that a man was on the other side of the court during those matches.

    Maybe she couldn't beat the men, but she'd win some games. So would Davenport, given that they are taller than a lot of the men. But gosh, yall are just haters, haters, haters.
     
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  16. johnathan smith

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    I don't have a problem with the Williams, but to think that they could even win games against the top men in the world is crazy. They would get crushed and probably bagled against most d-1 college tennis players.
     
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  17. andfor

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    There's a big difference between hating and knowing WTH you're talking about.
     
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  18. West Coast Ace

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    Venus must have a new hobby - stand up comedy.
     
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  19. DashaandSafin

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    So your a 3.0. What males did you beat? 1.0s? Nice valid opinon buddy.

    Venus surely you jest. I would be 1k on you not even getting 1 game in a set against a male pro.
     
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  20. West Coast Ace

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    I was thinking about some friendly wagers to back her silly claim - I'd like to see any the top 20 males challenge her - $100k of their own money - put the ball in play underhand. I agree with you - if she won 1 game it would be surprising.
     
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  21. andfor

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    Getting a point would be a stretch.
     
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  22. VGP

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    OK, take the guy's serve away. If that quote is correct, she says that she can beat any single one of them. I just don't think anyone in the top 40 would lose a match. Points....games....

    I'm not trying to be a hater. Having seen Venus Williams play lately, her lack of variety, her inconsistency, I just don't see it happening. Sorry.
     
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  23. goober

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    Actually on the 3.0 level I think it is very possible for a female to beat a male. 3.0s are just trying to keep the ball in play and their serves have nothing on them.

    As you go up in levels is where the difference in men and women begins to show. At the highest levels is where the biggest differences will be at.
     
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  24. fishuuuuu

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    Ah ah ... maybe if they doublefault once ... maybe ...
     
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  25. edberg505

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    So basically she's saying she could beat Guillermo Coria? I think not! I'd love to see Fed serve underhand to her and she would just get owned!
     
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  26. arnz

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    One time an instructor told me that the top women's player can be beaten by the 1000th ranked mens player, or a very good college player. Wasnt it Davenport who said she still cant beat her husband, and I dont think he plays anymore (if he even was a pro)

    If the men didnt have a serve, they would still break her serve, so I still dont think she can beat them
     
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  27. Queensryche

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    She's freaking high on crack.

    If Michael Chang can serve underhand to beat Lendl.

    What on earth does Venus have on lendl.

    Lendl moves/returns/serves/passes better and he still lost if i recall.


    And thats just Chang...
     
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  28. West Coast Ace

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    Did anyone else think it was only a matter of time for someone to say this?
     
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  29. Klippy

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    Welllllll, I think that if Venus got the whole doubles court to play into, her male opponent had no serves- she would just have to serve the whole match, she'd be able to get maybe one game. Maybe not. She'd definitely get a few points here and there. You gotta be happy with that. Common.

    And anyway, maybe Venus was just clowning around?
     
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  30. Klippy

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    She would get owned?There's no word to describe how owned she's get. If Feds got to serve underhanded with his left hand, played in sandals, played in a straight-jacket, played with a patch over one of his eyes, maybe even both of his eyes (who knows, the guy's a genius?) played with a broken string, played in a wooden racquet, played in jeans, maybe even played with a saucepan, she's STILL get mega owned.
     
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  31. Klippy

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    Hmmm...just another question. Getting a little weeny bit off-topic but anyway... It's funny how men are always stronger than women, if you think about it. I mean, is there at least one woman in the whole world that is stronger than a man? I bet there could be.

    And another funny thing, I always beat all the guys in my class in arm wrestles, and I'm a girl. But they will probably be stronger than me when they're adults.
     
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  32. FalconX

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    Mary Carillo was on Costas Now show last season on HBO and Costas asked her a question about whether a female pro would stand chance against male players. And she just shook her head like don't even go there. And I think she did say something along the lines of female players not being able to beat even top college players.
     
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  33. edberg505

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    One other way to look at it is do you guys think Sherryl Swopes could take Kobe Bryant one on one? I THINK NOT!
     
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    I would love to see her get humiliated - then just maybe she'd shut up! Speaking of frying pans, I once saw Tim Henman at an exhibition in London; he took turns rallying with a few of the (pretty good) locals... nothing unusual in that except he was rallying with a CRICKET BAT! I'm not kidding! Venus can't even get the ball in court half a dozen times with that enormous Wilson of hers! Now if she were to lose to a male pro using a cricket bat (or a frying pan) that would be a joy to see :)
     
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  35. devila

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    Dementieva and Sharapova boasted that top 5 male players with big serves don't have an advantage over them.
     
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  36. Slazenger

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    Umm... it was IN JEST. While I'm sure Tennis Mag expected that ppl would get that she was being facetious, they still should have kinda put her quote in context.
     
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  37. ssuHeartsRivald

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    Dream on
     
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  38. superman1

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    I think she probably played a charity match one day against Roddick and he was fooling around and she didn't realize it. "Hey, without that serve of his, he kind of sucks! He just hit the last ball into the stands, ironically where someone was waiting to catch it. Maybe I could beat him..."

    The key thing is movement. The women just aren't fast enough. If Davenport punched me in the face, I'd be lights out, she's huge. But she'd have to catch me first!
     
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  39. DaveGrable

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    If she played a match against Agassi and he served under-hand the entire time, he would still beat her 6-0, 6-0
     
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  40. superman1

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    And after the match she would need an IV. She'd run more in that match than any she's ever played.
     
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  41. Shabazza

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    simple biology: testosterone > estrogen in terms of pure power and endurance - nothing you can do about it, when it kicks in in a male the gap becomes huge!!!
     
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  42. superman1

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    There are plenty of tiny, puny men out there that would get pummeled by an amazon woman. That's all negated on the tennis courts. I've seen plenty of small guys hit the ball as hard as anyone. They expend more effort, but they they make up for it with great endurance. It's just the physiology of men. It's why the average man off the street uses his whole body when he throws a baseball while the average woman doesn't. Those kinds of motions are built in.
     
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  43. slice bh compliment

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    Totally. I just read the article. I agree she was trying to be funny, saying that the men have incredible serves. In her insular world, this was actually meant as a compliment to male pros. It must be easy to sound like an ass when you're around non-tennis people who constantly feed your delusions. Why did she open up this old can of worms? It is not even interesting.

    That said, women's tennis has come a long way, baby, but not far enough to dent a result like Braasch over the Williams sisters 1 and 2 four[?] years ago. Playing a ATP guy in the 200s, if Venus lost meekly while serving each game, she would say that the man's big return game is the difference.
     
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  44. rilokiley

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    Ryan Sweeting, 2005 U.S. Open Junior Champ, beat MaSha 5 and 3. Venus beat a top male player? N**** please.
     
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  45. vllockhart

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    No, every one of you are being viscious haters. She'd probably beat the pants off half the guys on the pro tour and yall know it, that's what's drudging up all this venom.
     
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  46. FalconX

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    surely you can't be serious.
     
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  47. vllockhart

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    As a heart attack.:mrgreen:

    Don't hate, appreciate.
     
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  48. FalconX

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    while I appreciate you for standing up for women and I resist the notion that women are somehow inherently less athletic than men which some of posts here indicates I do believe I do believe females are at disadvantage as far as tennis is concerned. One is obviously that they are not allowed to compete against men. I do wonder how their game would develope if from the beginning they play against men and go on to compete against them as well. 2 is that I think as far as serving women are missing a lot of pectoral muscle tissue which develops more in men based on anatomy. If I'm not mistaken that can be overcome with hormones though.

    Certainly if you look at athletics competitions male and female world records aren't that far distant from eachother. And I think within next 20-30 years women will even close in more and might overtake men in some fields.
    http://www.gbrathletics.com/wrec.htm
     
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  49. andfor

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    I am sure he was not even trying. He was probably trying to ensure his contact with her after the match though.
     
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  50. andfor

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    Here, this will make you feel better. Venus is the gratest and she could beat any male if they did not serve to her. Feel better, I do after hitting that crack like your on.
     
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