Verdasco- was he the worst top 10 player ever?

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Verdasco worst top 10 player of all time

  1. yes

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  2. no

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  1. NadalAgassi

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    Now that Verdasco has dropped well out of the top 10 for good would you honor him as being the worst player in history to spend a decent chunk of time in the top 10 or not. I personally would vote yes. He was every top players pigeon, he could lose to anyone, he was a bigtime choker, he has no mental strength at all. He also embarassed himself with his boasting of what he would do and failed to live up to, and his poorly thought out sour graped remarks after some of his losses. Oh yeah and he actually prayed on his knees after winning points in a Masters final.
     
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  2. PSNELKE

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    Almugro and Mugzer.
    Verdasco was a Top10 member for years, though he is a mug.

    Troicki will take the cake whenever he manages to make the Top10.
     
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  3. ledwix

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    No...I'd say Monfils, Cilic, and Simon are worse.

    Troicki is a Round of 16 player. He seems to always get to the R16 and then lose. So he should be in the top 16, but top 10 would be too much.
     
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  4. tusharlovesrafa

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    I don't know weather you know or not but he suffers Frm A.D.H.D...
     
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  5. PSNELKE

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    I disagree with Monclown and Simon, however I agree with Cilic.

    In majors Troicki reached only 1 R16 which was at RG. He surely doesnt even deserve to be in Top20.
     
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    He's won two 500 series event and 3 250 series events.
    And he's made the semis once of a grandslam, a number of qtrs, and numerous rnd of 16s.

    While career wise he certainly pales in comparison to perennial top 10ers, he's a decent player in comparison to perennial top 15-20ers.

    Over the course of the entire open era, suggesting he's the worse is way way way way off. Even during the current past 2 years he's not the worst.

    Jurgen Melzer only has three 250 titles. Notable GS performances have only been 1 semi and 3 rnd of 16.
     
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  7. Big_Dangerous

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    Nope because both players have managed to beat Federer at least.


    Cilic, yes.

    Verdasco, yes.

    Almagro, yes.

    Melzer, no.
     
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  8. Nextman916

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    Robredo wasn't anything special, I mean the guy had CLEAR weakness on his BH wing. I feel top 10's should really be more "complete players". That weaker era sure did work in his favor.
     
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    The worst ever, no. But he might be the one who made the greatest number of double faults while in the top 10.
     
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  10. Netzroller

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    As stupid as that may be, it doesn't make him a worse player...


    And I think the answer is no. He has accomplished more than some other top 10 players, which disqualifies him for being the worst. Secondly, I think he has more talent and better shots than some of them.
     
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    if he his the worst top 10 ever, what does that say about Nadal who needed a gargantuan 5 setter semi with him to get to his first hard court final?

    just asking????
     
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  12. tusharlovesrafa

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    hence proven Nadal is worst number 1...:)
     
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  13. PSNELKE

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    Yeah screw that mug and his 10 majors.
     
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  14. Gorecki

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    not really my point Nelke...
     
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  15. Tammo

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    Did Simon ever get to a Grand Slam semi?
     
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  16. Comet Buster

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    From a technical standpoint: Definate no.
    From a results standpoint: Could be. But I'm positive Monfils in 2009 made the top 10 winning only one tournament and that was a low event in 2005?
     
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  17. NadalAgassi

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    Verdasco has a 0-11 record vs Nadal, which is his record vs most top players, 0-something. In their last match and biggest final ever not only ate a bagel and breadstick but prayed on the ground after every point he won. At the entire 2009 Australian Open he played out of his skin, 3 times better than he has ever played in any other tournament at any other point in his career, and still couldnt beat Nadal on his worst surface. Verdasco's performances vs Nadal only cement what a weak top 10 player he is.

    And some of you seem to be citing people who barely spent anytime in the top 10. I am talking about of players that actually stayed in the top 10 long enough to be some semblance of a regular, in Verdasco's case over 2 years. Is there really any player in history that spent that long in the top 10 that is weaker. I am not talking about the Almagro's or Melzer's of the World who spend mere weeks there.
     
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    still does not adress my point. which coming from you is not a surprise...:oops:
     
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  19. NadalAgassi

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    Actually it did address your point. If you cant see that then I cant help your stupidity. Verdasco is Nadal's lapdog of lapdogs, to use the matchup vs Nadal as a way to inflate Verdasco is truly comical.
     
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    Maybe Almagro would be the worst, since He is only a clay court player and makes his money only on clay. Besides him, I don't see anybody in recent years worse than Verdasco.

    Cilic has beaten Nadal which Fiasco hasn't herefore Cilic can't be any worse than Verdasco, and He has a semi final at the AO beating great players.

    Simon has beaten Federer and Nadal, which Fiasco hasn't, so He can't be any worse than Fiasco neither.
     
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    thanks for the uncalled insult

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  22. Moose Malloy

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    []QUOTEAnd some of you seem to be citing people who barely spent anytime in the top 10. I am talking about of players that actually stayed in the top 10 long enough to be some semblance of a regular, in Verdasco's case over 2 years. Is there really any player in history that spent that long in the top 10 that is weaker[/QUOTE]

    what did you think of Robredo, Ljubicic, & Blake? they spent a while in the top 10, didn't they? And Blake & Robredo never reached a major SF.
     
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  23. NadalAgassi

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    Blake's head to head record vs Nadal and ability to beat all the top players already makes him better than Verdasco. He has also made the finals of the WTF, a bigger final than Verdasco has ever reached. He has 10 career titles, double that of Verdasco. The only edge Verdasco has is one slam semifinal, but if Verdasco played Federer and Agassi in all his slam quarterfinals as Blake did you can bet money he wouldnt have one either.

    Ljubicic has won a Masters and reached many Masters finals. He has beaten all the games top players except for Federer. He also single handedly won Davis Cup for Croatia, including beating both Agassi and Roddick and being part of the winning doubles. And he has 10 career titles, double that of Verdasco. He reached a high of #3 in the World. He is in a whole other league from Verdasco really.

    Robredo has won a Masters as well. He has 10 career titles, double that of Verdasco. He doesnt have a slam semi (blew a 2 sets to 0 lead vs Costa in the 2003 FO quarters unfortunately) but has 5 slam quarterfinals and is overall probably a better slam performer than Verdasco too. Robredo of recent semi regular top 10 players is the one Verdasco would come closest to probably though. Like Verdasco he is pretty much useless vs top players, but atleast he fights like a dog and doesnt pray after winning points.
     
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  24. bluetrain4

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    I never understood TWs obsession with Verdasco.
     
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  25. Nadalfan89

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    Youzhny was the worst top 10 player ever.
     
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    Well if Verdasco is the worst top 10 player ever, that puts to rest the "toughest era ever"theory. Nadal would never let such an average player reach the top 10!
     
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  27. NadalAgassi

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    Who ever said this was the toughest era ever. Whoever did is crazy. The grass and clay fields have both been amongst the worst ever for many years now.
     
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    NadalAgassi has only been watching tennis for a few months. He knows nothing about the game except what he reads on wikipedia or sees on youtube.
     
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    Win! :cool:
     
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  30. Nadalfan89

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    Are you kidding me? You're the most condescending, hypocritical person on this forum and you're calling someone out for using insults?
     
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    Verdasco has never won ANYTHING of note. Granted, neither have Almagro, Fish, or Melzer, but they weren't there for long and are streaky
     
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    Hard court is not nadals worst surface - it's one of his best. Indoor is nadals worst.
     
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  33. dominikk1985

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    what does it say about federer that he needed 5 sets to beat a 31 yo tommy haas in the only tournament he won at RG?:D
     
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  34. Mikael

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    Verdasco is easy to make fun of, but worst top 10 ever? Maybe worst top 10 player of the last 2 years and even then there are other strong candidates (Fish, Melzer...)

    Going back only 10 years, how about Massu, Lapentti, Srichaphan... There must be way more, it only took me about 5mns to come up with those.
     
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  35. callmethedoctor

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    Absolutely not, Verdasco isn't even the worst in the past 2 years. Cilic by a mile and a half.
    Verdasco actually had good strokes, I don't know if you recall watching him win. And him winning was a lot more common than Cilic.
     
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    Some not so memorable top 10 players of years past:
    Martin Jaite (ARG)
    Jay Berger (USA)
    Jonas Svensson (SWE)
    Karel Novacek(CZE)
    Magnus Gustafsson (SWE)
     
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  37. KyomasaNTH

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    Almagro, or Melzer. HORRIBLE!!!!!
     
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    Cilic did have some results in the period he was ranked 10, he reached a QF at the US open in 2009 (blew Murray off the court, lost to Del Potro after being up a set and a break), an Australian Open SF in 2010 (beat Roddick and Del Potro in consecutive matches, was a set and a break up against Murray in the SF before he ran out of gas), owned Nadal in 2009 Beijing 6-1 6-3 or something, won 2 consecutive tournaments in Chennai and Zagreb, actually I expected (and still expect but to a lesser degree) more from him. It's a pity he can't reproduce his best results nowadays. Definately NOT a weak top 10 player when he was performing in 2009-2010.
     
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    A dude who has had more than a dozen usernames, some idolizing a player and others hating the very same player, calls another poster hypocritical.

    A dude who has been publicly outed multiple times for using simultaneously active usernames calls another poster hypocritical.

    Nice.:neutral:
     
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  40. Bhagi Katbamna

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    I wouldn't call Almagro the worst top ten: he won every clay court tournament in South America and reached the final of the one he didn't win this year(or was that last year).
     
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  41. JeMar

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    All crappy top tenners that have come and gone are simply warming up the throne before Troicki rightfully claims it for himself after a 4th round finish at Wimbledon after he beats a qualifier, gets a W/O, and a retirement after being down a set and two breaks.

    Take it to the bank.
     
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  42. Bobby Jr

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    So we can put an asterisk beside Nadal's 6 French Open wins in case he gets up to Pete's level?
     
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  43. NadalAgassi

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    Sure, as long as you are willing to do the same for Roger's Wimbledons. I have often said Nadal needs 8 or 9 French Opens to be clearly above Borg on clay. And Federer would need 8 or 9 Wimbledons before I would ever consider him better than Sampras on grass.

    When you win as much as Federer and Nadal do on natural surfaces though you are great, no matter what the field is like. It doesnt change the fact the field on those surfaces has sucked for awhile compared to past ones though. Nearly everyone is a hard court specialist these days.
     
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  44. BreakPoint

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    Why is everyone only discussing current players on the tour when the OP specifically indicated "EVER" in his question? :confused:

    You mean no one thinks there were any bad players in the Top 10 in the history of pro tennis? :???:

    How about:

    Karol Kucera?
    Jiri Novak?
    Brad Gilbert?
    Harold Solomon?
    Eddie Dibbs?
    Bill Scanlon?
    Henrik Sundstrom?
    Anders Jarryd?
    Wojtek Fibak?
    Corrado Barrazzutti?
    Jakob Hlasek?
    Gene Mayer?
    Aaron Krickstein?
     
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  45. Gorecki

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    and what do i care about Federer in this thread? i dont even like him!!! that was major failure!!!

    btw... your post just proves me right!
     
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  46. Devilito

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    Fernando Verdasco
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    ^^^^^^^^^^

    Never gets old. Love that pic haha
     
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    He wouldn't qualify from an overall career perspective, but from August 1990 through March of 1991, Andres Gomez went 1-16 in ATP matches while maintaining a top 10 ranking the entire time. It's hard to imagine there being a worse top 10 player in history than Gomez during that period.
     
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  50. NadalAgassi

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    He had the French Open title on his resume from the previous 12 (in fact previous 9) months. That already disqualifies him from being the worst. Reigning holder of a slam >>>>>> Verdasco's whole career (and many of the others mentioned in this thread).
     
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