Very insightful analysis of Rome final

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  1. falstaff78

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    Quality stuff. He really knows how to tell a story well with stats. Thanks for the post.

    Also why does nearly everyone think that serving underhand to Nadal will work? Why not serve overhand with the grip at the throat of the racket? For those of us here who play tennis, you will see what I mean. It's very effective against players like Nadal who stand a mile behind the baseline. Plus, you can also impart spin when you serve that way.

    Another variation of this would be to stand 2-4 feet back from the baseline while serving. Why restrict yourself to the baseline? When facing unorthodox returns of serve, it makes sense to match that with unorthodox service patterns. For club players like me to execute this consistently is difficult. The pros however can make it work.
     
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    Good article. But I can sum it up in two words. Fed SUCKED. And he looked like he didn't care. Plan A didn't work so he quit.
     
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    Very nice analysis. The one big thing in the Fed-Nadal vs Nadal-Djoko matchup is that Djokovic is merciless when Nadal drops the ball short. Fed for some reason doesn't capitalize on this as much.
     
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    During his peak, he could hit winners with eyes closed on those short balls.
     
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    I strongly believe that because Fed knows that he had nothing to lose he just went out and tried a strategy but failed.
     
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    I've literally ALWAYS wondered that myself. Perhaps that is the effect of confidence or lack thereof...as we say in Urdu Fed has laid some real turds (layndees) over the course of the rivalry

    (1) It's not quite that simple. the fact that Fed tried a new strategy to beat Nadal being down 10-19 overall and 2-12 on clay in a 9 year long rivalry shows the fire is very much still burning.

    (2) Fed broke Nadal for the first time in the third last game of the match. Implication: it's not always possible to tell from the arm chair when a guy checks out.
     
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    Good point about the serve. The other day he made a sick drop shot service return winner (EDIT: vs simon second set up 2-0 at 40-30, see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSBKdqM8RLo#t=0m47s ) Which would suggest at that level, these guys can probably dink in all kinds of insane drop shot serves.

    The only plausible reason why I think Fed might not try something like that is the optics - being perceived as a cheat etc.

    Which may well be unfair, but I am afraid that may simply be how it is....
     
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    Or as I might say in Hindi rather crudely "tatti performance tha".
     
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    baycharay buzurg key baray mein humein aisee baatein nahin karnee chahiyein.

    (even though he is 3 yrs younger than I am)
     
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