Very unpleasant experience buying from Overdrive

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  1. ae11

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    Overdrive is a great seller. Great communications And he accepted to take the racquet back since it didn't match my other frames. Excellent experience.
     
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    I have to take this back! This has been by far the most horrible experience I have ever had, not only on this site, but for any transaction I have ever been part of.
    Impossible to carry a conversation with the seller. He still own me money and on top of everything I am stuck with the item that was falsely advertised!
    Stay away!!!
     
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    What are the details of the transaction?

    If it was really a bad deal, you should start a new thread because this thread looks like a positive unless someone bothers to read the whole thing.
     
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    This is completely wrong. This is another case of not providing all of the details. This guy was a headcase because it took over an hour to purchase the item 10+ e-mails. I should have stopped communicating with him, but I didn't know that he would react like this. This is why I took precautions. As a rookie buyer, he almost made every mistake in the book. Not paying attention in the e-mails, asking multiple questions, etc. He even re-posted a 'negative' reference. I'm not surprised that the Reference vulture read it. However, since a newer post was made, someone would read it anyways. It isn't a coincidence that Inspector Clouseau posted.

    I purchased a racquet from the original seller during January. It was Boris Becker Delta Core Melbourne. After hitting it with a few weeks, I sold it to the AE11 around two months ago? He told me that the racquet was modified. I had no idea that the racquet was modified at all. Therefore, compensated him for the shipping for the second time. I refused to refund him because I was unaware that the racquet was modified. It had something to do with the CAP. He didn't want to spend the extra money on removing those mods (they aren't permanent), so he demanded a refund.

    He's simply being cheap, and I'm not refunding him because he didn't want to spend a few extra bucks on removing them.

    This is completely out of my hands. I gave him information on the original seller who modified the racquet, and I guess the original seller refused to refund him. So, he's going back to me.

    Make another thread if you want, but there's actually nothing permanently wrong with the racquet. It's literally brand new. When I received it back, there was damage on the grip, and scratches to the bumper. I specifically told him not to damage the racquet, and he didn't pay attention.

    Go ahead and respond ae11. I'll be waiting.
     
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    So, you sold the OP a modified racket without disclosing it had been modified and when he wanted to return it for a refund, you referred him to the guy you bought the racket from? WTF? Are you kidding? You sold the racket to the OP, it is your problem to deal with not the guy you bought the racket from. What is the guy you bought the racket from supposed to do to remedy the problem with your buyer, ae11? It isn't his problem. You sold the racket to ae11, not him.

    What exactly was the modification? If the modification was so inconsequential as you claim, why not take the racket back since you sold it to the OP without disclosing the modification. Even if it is true that you were unaware of the modification, it is still on you not the guy you bought the racket from. You sold ae11 the racket, not the other guy.

    I would like to hear more from the ae11 as to the details of the deal, but it sounds like he has a legitimate gripe.
     
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  6. Centryx

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    well the buyer didn't check the racquet in the first place and did some "damage" to it lowering its value. what was the mod? was it lead tape under the bumper? was the damage enough to lower the condition from a 9 to an 8 if so I would think the seller shouldnt have to refund 100% if the buyer didnt inspect the racquet first
     
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    I am not gonna go over the all details because it's such an inconsequential matter but I feel like other TW members should know.

    So I buy a racquet from Overdrive and the racquet arrives (after some headache, like he gives me a tracking # that doesn't work). But all is fine and I get the racquet. It felt very different from the other BB Melbourne that I had bought brand new. I bring that up and he's like yes, I think it's modified. I ask what are the modifications he's like I don't know but I can take the racquet back and refund you. I say that's great and I appreciate that. So I ship the racquet back and tell him please refund me when you get a chance and he goes on a tirade that's a lot of money and he has to sell stuff and how the city I live in sucks!! I am like this is not really appropriate but anyways, can you give me a timeline as when you can refund me as he say NO, whenever I can (in the meanwhile he's asking me to post another good reference for him, because now he's "bought" a racquet from me, even though he hasn't paid for it yet). A week or two passed, no refund. I am like what's going on, he says I still can't pay you. I give him to options: 1. Refund me part of the original money, 2. send me the money back. But I told him I strongly prefer the first option since the racquet was of no good use to me. He says he will send back the racquet and will refund me for my shipping costs for sending him the racquet back in the first place. Anyways, he sends back the racquet (this is how ridiculous this affairs has been). I asked multiple times for the shipping costs but every time there is an excuse, like he has to sell some polos or pants first to have the $11 to refund!
    And about me damaging the racquet, totally incorrect. I didn't even play with the racquet. It's there in our emails, I only held it and swang it around and immediately found it to be different.

    Anyways, stay away. That's my 2 cents. The lesson I learned is not to buy or sell here on TW because there is no one to mediate.

    As to seller, I am not your friend, your acquaintance or anything. I expressed firmly that I don't even want to communicate with you. Stop referring to me and my city. Respect the ethics of the board! You're still in debt to me. Good luck with everything else..
     
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    Why am I not surprised?

    When you do deal with teenage boys, this is the sort of stupid behavior you too often run into.

    Sounds like that was a fun deal. My favorite part is when he sent you to the guy he bought the racket from for a refund. That is classic.
    You are lucky that he re-sent the racket back to you in lieu of giving you a refund.

    With regard to mediation, if you paid with paypal (for goods not a gift payment) you could have filed a not as described claim. And if you funded the purchase with a credit card, regardless of whether or not you sent payment as a gift, you could have initiated a dispute/charge-back with the credit card issuer within 60 to 90 days of the date that charge first appeared on your card statement. If you post a negative reference here and give the details of a transaction, sometimes enough pressure can be exerted on the culprit that he eventually sees the light and corrects the matter.

    Post a separate thread which has a title the reflects a negative reference. As it is, if someone runs his references and does not bother to read the details, this one will look like a positive.
     
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    ...What?
    Please purchase a prescription of eyeglasses before you kill someone on the road. I just stated that the original buyer that I purchased the racquet from was modified it in some way (CAP or whatever), that I had no knowledge that there was anything 'wrong' with it. It wasn't permanent and the cost to remove it is close to nothing. Because of this, it is not on me because I didn't inspect it and had no idea that the racquet was altered in any way.

    Exactly. In fact, I shouldn't refund him at all. The cost to remove this mod is around $5-$15. But he was too cheap. This is tennis, and you're going to be spending some money on racquets, apparel, and accessories. He actually told me that he had purchased over a dozen racquets and wanted to 'try something'. He probably spent several hundred dollars on racquets themselves and he had the gall to tell me that he can't afford to remove a 'mod' that was inexpensive. Where he lives, stringing a racquet costs $35-$45. The excuse of 'I can't afford...' is complete nonsense. He was an extremely picky seller that whined throughout the transaction. I have the e-mails to prove it.

    I've already told DD about this. I asked him to remove a possible thread if he chose to escalate it.

    If it's inconsequential, then you wouldn't have escalated this. You did this for character assassination, and it's not working. There's always a case when an inexperienced seller has some gripe against someone that has been on here. Because I'm 'not very liked' on here, most posts besides the ignorance of Inspector Clouseau is particularly biased towards me (i.e. nearly every thread I have started).

    This is the third lie that you have stated.

    Wrong. I only tried to help you to avoid a bad reference. Why would I trust someone on here that has less experience than me? You could have easily pulled this off as an extremely picky seller that returns items for the most minuscule things.

    Yes, the city is terrible. I've been there for a while. I've stated that because you had the same attitude.

    Finally, something that is true. I owe you nothing. You were simply too cheap to replace the modification(s) that were simple to remove and inspect someone to pay for it. I've learned not to communicate with sellers after 2-3 e-mails.

    Why would I have feelings for a former customer that whined about everything? You can't express through words typed on a computer. Actually, I can. I've been around you people long enough to make a judgement that most people in that open sewer of a city are very unfriendly and change their attitudes when something does not go their way.
    How can respect a code of ethics if I don't recognize that I made a mistake? That is a fallacy in your statement.
    Finally, I owe you nothing.

    You're already making a blind judgement that I'm a teenage boy. This is what, the fourth time? This is exactly what you want- trying to find a criticism about me and posting biased statements which negate your credibility. You and the other rats ruined another thread of mine because your feeble and immature mind wouldn't stop typing.

    He paid with a gift payment, another rookie mistake.

    Of course Fearsome knows what you're talking about. You're both clueless fools.
    I would never sell to you.I'm not surprised didn't include any of the facts besides your interpretation. You have very few references and use petty insults which are typical.

    You can't even defend yourself because you are a spineless and pathetic excuse for a human similar to the majority of the 'people' on here.
     
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    The buyer is simply complaining about a minor alteration because he was simply too cheap in removing it. He lives in a location where he earns enough money to afford it and has several racquets to prove it. Instead of selling them, he just keeps them while they collect dust.

    This 'complaint' has no strength at all, and I'm not surprised that two people (that are involved with the bottom-feeders who react to nearly every post they are accustomed to) jumped on the seller's bandwagon.

    Centry has a point. I didn't expect the racquet and found no obvious altercations to the racquet while someone else did. The buyer's experience and integrity was not enough for me to completely trust and I did not refund him 100% because of this. Why would I try and pull a scheme here when I'm active in the forum every single day? That makes no sense at all.

    Anyways, I'm moving on from this. I'm not even going to reply to any posts that come after this because I've evaluated this situation and found no reason to add anything else. Please, don't post any questions but I won't be surprised if someone else adds any pathetic insults or misconceived commentaries (as usual).

    Good luck in finding a Boris Becker Delta Core Melbourne. It's unlikely that he will find another one of those racquets that are less than $50. Usually, on other auction sites, they are $65+. If he's too cheap to replace an modification that is less than $15, than he surely can't purchase another racquet... right?
     
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    ^ From April, overdrive knew about the racket modification when he sold the racket to ae11.

    About a week later he complained that the person he bought the racket from did not tell him it was modified.


    And yet, in Post #4, he wrote this:

    "I purchased a racquet from the original seller during January. It was Boris Becker Delta Core Melbourne. After hitting it with a few weeks, I sold it to the AE11 around two months ago? He told me that the racquet was modified. I had no idea that the racquet was modified at all. "

    And in Post #10, he wrote:

    "Please purchase a prescription of eyeglasses before you kill someone on the road. I just stated that the original buyer (he means seller?) that I purchased the racquet from was modified it in some way (CAP or whatever), that I had no knowledge that there was anything 'wrong' with it. It wasn't permanent and the cost to remove it is close to nothing. Because of this, it is not on me because I didn't inspect it and had no idea that the racquet was altered in any way. "

    So, what occurred is that overdrive bought a racquet that had been modified in a way he didn't like. Instead of going back to the seller and working out a return, he complained about it here and then went on to sell it to ae11 without disclosing the modifications. And then denied he knew the racket was modified, agreed to take the racket back and grant a refund. Racket was returned, overdrive decided not to grant the refund (because he was broke?) and re-sent the racket back to the buyer. The buyer is stuck with what must be a significantly modified frame and overdrive continues, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, to deny he knew about the modification prior to the sale.

    Not only a clueless fool, a liar as well? Again, I'm not at all surprised based on his past posts.

    Yet another classic overdrive post. You can't make this stuff up. It is always someone else's fault. So typical of the teenage mind.

     
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  12. Centryx

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    after reading the evidence that FF posted Overdrive you are a crook and should refund him the money and his shipping back to clear your name. You knew it was modded and you did not disclose it you are at fault, I was on your side but lieing to make a sale disregards all credibility
     
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    Oh my goodness... I can't believe they actually pointed this out as deception. I was referring to what he said about the racquet. '(CAP or whatever)' is a paraphrase when someone quotes something without using quotations. This is the issue here. Congratulations Inspector Clouseau in jumping the gun once again.

    This is classic of this 'so-called' person who helps people. He ignores the criticisms because he doesn't have the integrity to deal with it. Similar to the Agassi avatar. Once again, these are the same people who reply to nearly everything I post because try to and find any errors.

    It's so typical of an idiot to make hypothetical evaluations without looking at any facts at all. Simply, you're typing out of your rump.

    You're the exact same person when you gave advice to Sunmin about lying to PayPal Customer Service to have an advantage when he had a complaint. I know you ignored this (and so did everyone else, but I have the posts to prove it. He could have had his account shut down or charges could have been pressed against him if they found any form of fraudulent evidence.


    This is the so-called 'helpful' person on here.

    What, how did I know that it was modded when I didn't like playing with it because it was unforgiving? I'm not even adept in racquet stringing or modding and I didn't even see anything wrong with it due to the fact that there were no obvious marks or accessories on the frame.

    Haven't you realized that the buyer didn't show you any pictures of the modification? How do you even know that he's telling the truth?

    Because you don't. I'm not saying that he's lying, but in nearly every single thread where a racquet is the source of the complaint, pictures are posted. There aren't any here because the majority of the posters on here are extremely biased towards me.

    Don't believe everything someone posts on here. He's the same person that gave advice about lying to PayPal customer service to receive their money back.

    The exact same people react to everything I type. Pathetic scum.

    Even the 'educated' are losing their minds.

    Yes. Reads that posting meaningless insults and assertions are among his insecurities in joining on the bandwagon.

    Right, I hate people who don't care to read or research before making inconsistent statements.

    How can you tell that I'm a teenager? Just by reading words on a forum? That doesn't make any sense at all.
    You don't, and I'll drag you through the mud just I like I did to the majority of the people on thread for their inconsistencies.


    I am not a scammer and I will defend myself. I'm sorry that I don't make the majority of my money on selling tennis items like Clouseau does (which are overpriced).


    Seriously, how stupid are you people?
    You're believing a person that has 1-3 references and is extremely inactive in the threads over someone who has multiple. The reason why is simple- I'm unliked. I'm stating right now if it was anyone else who isn't notorious for his posts and threads, there would not be a quick judgement at all. But, you people believe everything someone else says because of their status and not look at the facts. This form of subjectivity hinders all of you as mindless and spineless and pathetic individuals. Literally nearly everything that has 'Overdrive' in it is preyed upon and manipulated to your desires. I'm not victimizing myself. These are simply the facts! The amount of petty insults and evaluations prove it.

    I've helped and gave good advice to alot of people on this thread. Do you really think that I would try and pull schemes when I know how you people go on a witch hunt every time Inspector Clouseau posts 'He/she is an immature scammer that is typical for a teenager or college kid'. It's the exact same formula for this person. He could have caused a forum member's PayPal account (being a member for years) to be shut down for fraudulent information.

    How did anyone not see this?
     
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    Overdrive, if you sell a racket and you did not disclose it was modified and the seller wants a refund you should apologize and give him a refund including the shipping cost without any delay or argument.

    What part of the above don't you understand?
     
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    You completely misunderstood everything I just said. Can you read a screen? Here's a brief summary.

    -Bought a racquet from seller that had the Melbourne. Brand new, saw no issues with it.
    - Played with it & decided to use the Legend.
    - Sold it to the 'OP'
    - OP receives it, he complains that it was modified. He takes no pictures or anything to prove that the racquet was altered. However, I had no knowledge of any of this. Heck, how do I even know that he is telling the truth?

    There's no evidence at all here. This whole thing is based on hearsay. No one can state that I am at fault without any pictures showing the 'modifications'.

    Reading makes a difference. Clearly, no one does it around here.

    Look, I'm not trying to escalate anything, I'm trying to clear my name. I'm not to respond to the insults, but the misconceived statements (i.e. yours). Don't even pay attention to the other posts because they don't like me for whatever reason they have. Because of this, the actual facts aren't being recognised.

    The buyer shows no e-mails of our conversations or anything to display any proof of malice at all.
     
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    Of course I did. It's simply not true.

    That is true. I could have done that. However, he showed no evidence that the racquet was altered. No pictures. Nothing. Why would I believe someone on the internet that I can't give credit to? Does that make sense?
     
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    I think you miss the point of selling and buying in private transactions. Sure, you have a right to know whether these mods exist. Why not just ask for pictures rather than conduct an ill-conceived deal, then griping about it? If the mods do exist, the buyer has a right to a full refund.
     
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    Yes, I was wrong in conducting a misconceived deal. I was relying on my items being sold to refund him (which is wrong on my part).

    However, I don't know if the mods do exist. He conveniently tells me that he doesn't have a camera. How can I trust a buyer who has 0 references?

    No, I was unaware of the mods when I bought it from my seller. Therefore, I can't claim responsibility. It's like me selling a racquet with lead in the bumper without knowing it. You can remove it with ease.
     
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    Sorry, what is this about there being no evidence?
     
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    The buyer no pictures or anything showing that racquet has been altered. How can you believe someone that you don't know based on hearsay?
     
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    Because you said so...
     
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    Thanks for going out of your way.

    That was based on the seller's perspective to avoid a bad reference.
    But, I had an realisation. Why believe someone without pictures or any other evidence?
     
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    Save your reputation here and refund him
     
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    This says it all!

    This admittance is already enough indication to me this seller needs to be avoided.
     
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    Reputation as a seller or as a forum member?

    No, there is no evidence of anything that the seller pointed out. Whatever I posted before is inadmissible due to the fact that I almost believed a customer without any proof.

    The customer isn't always right.
     
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    With few references, I can state the same thing to you. There's always going to be a case when someone has a gripe.

    I'm only guilty on not being on my word. I already took precautions on future buyers. After a while, this thread dies out.

    If a buyers says no because of one person, oh well.

    There's alot of window shoppers here.

    Regardless, if I have the item you want and no one else does, you'll buy it from me depending on how bad you need it.

    Anyways, see you tomorrow. I already know the same people will go back and post more nonsense.

    I'll be ready.
     
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    This is fair comment.

    If I've followed the transaction history correctly, he shipped the racquet back to you. When you received it and inspected it, is it indeed modified?
     
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    I still don't know. Literally, I don't see anything. However, the bumper had a court rash, and there was residue on the black grip. I should have took pictures, but I didn't. As you see, the buyer isn't even responding to the thread, so he can't even defend himself. Morons keeps dragging it along to make me look bad.

    Lastly, I shipped the racquet back to him because I changed my mind about the deal. Therefore, he still has the racquet.
     
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