video: are these guys 5.0?

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  1. pushing_wins

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    Chubby is considerably better. Blue shirt nowhere near 5.0...
     
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    No. First clue: A 5.0 would never have to use a Titanic head size racket.
     
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    Guy with the white shirt has pretty decent control on his shots, especially up at net. He was probably pretty good when he was younger and slimmer. Blue shirt guy was being strung around the court at will. Ratings are all relative.

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    I have no idea without being able to tell the pace of the shots. How many bounces does a typical FH shot take?

    Without pace and spin probadly any 3.5, 4 or whatever can hit like that and more. IMO, there's nothing hard about serving, hitting, volleying, moving at low speed!!!
     
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    Yes. if I remember correctly, the guy in the white has a verifiable NTRP 5.0 rating.
     
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    Guy in white might have played 5.0 tournaments, but he's a decent 3.5 at best with not much hope for making solid 4.5's. He's doesn't have movement, pace, reactions, coverage, or much more than basic skills.
    I lower level player can always enter multiple Open tournements, but unless he can win 2-4 rounds in each, he does'nt really belong there.
    Guy in white doesn't win any rounds in 5.0 tournaments, so doesn't belong there regardless of my spelling.
     
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    I know the guy, he's a friend of mine. He'd wipe all of the people here, who are detracting him across the court and make them look silly. He may be a little "chubby" , but I bet he'd be having you skinny guys panting and out of breath and stalling for a break and begging for mercy, while he is barely breaking a sweat and laughing. Videos are deceptive..............
     
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    4.0 i would think. Cant really tell since its vid. But he isnt 5.0
     
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    I don't quite follow that reasoning. Only half the entrants in a given 5.0 tournament make it past the 1st round. 75% of the entrants fail to win the 2nd round. So none of these players belong in a 5.0 tournament?

    So let's eliminate all those players from a 5.0 event. Half of the players left will then lose in the first round. So clearly, they do not belong either. We can take it further & eliminate them also from entering a 5.0 event. Taken to its logical conclusion, there is only 1 guy that belongs in a 5.0 tournament. Since this would be the case, there is no reason to hold tournaments at all!!!
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    If they're trying, 3.5. If they're screwing around, 4.0. 4.5's shouldn't miss easy shots and should put away short balls with ease. 5.0's should be able to gun you down from the baseline and put those kick serves into the corners instead of right down the middle.
     
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    They sure as hell don't look like 5.0 players in this clip...compared to players in my area, 3.5 - 4.0?
     
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    Look at the guy in the whites youtube videos, he has over 1400 and most of them are on tennis and alot of him giving tips and stuff. On his about me on youtube it says he has coached for over 20 years. I wouldn't doubt hes under a 5.0
     
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    It doesn't matter i learned alot from watching his videos :)
     
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    about 4.0 to be reallistic.

    these guys are dime a dozen on the community courts, and usually an ez 6-2 6-2 beat by a standard 4.5

    these guys look like eligible for the senior 50+ (or 55+ ? whatever) league, where this standard play can be 5.0

    I can usually gun down the senior 5.5 people around here.

    the video clips are NOT deceiving... they have no pace, no depth.... a 4.5 in the open group should just overpower them with ease.
     
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  16. VaBeachTennis

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    LOL, I'd like to see you play G, I think that you would possibly be pretty humbled. G is deceptively strong and pretty agile.
     
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    Neither looked that great to me. The chubby guy in the near court controled the action by either hitting some nice winners or by missing some fairly easy shots. The guy in the far court just hit it back. He had some easy overheads he could have put away, but just eased them back into the court. The chubby guy self-destructed in the TB, going down 1-7 if I counted correctly. He did have several nice touch volleys though. If I was guessing, I'd guess 3.5's or 4.0's.

    Nice video - I liked having all the between-point and missed 1st serves cut out. Maybe with some jazzy background music they would look better.
     
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    I agree with the general consensus, nowhere near 5.0. Average 4.0, maybe competitive in some 4.5 markets. But not a realistic 5.0 IMO.
     
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    LOL, says the guy who would get blown off of the court by the "chubby guy". :)
     
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    there is no such thing as 'deceptively strong', one either plays like a good player or he doesn't.

    concensus on the thread is already pointing to 4.0

    I usually go 50-50 with Div I / Div II guys around here. If these guys are at college age, there will be no Div I/II coaches want them on the team. Period.
     
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    what is your problem VBT?

    if you worship a player, worship Federer or something, not some hack (yes, HACK).
     
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    If he'd beat me, so what? That's not really the point, is it? I can see that he might seem tougher on the court than he does in the video, but this says 5.0. I'm a 3.5, so a 5.0 is about half-way between me and a touring pro. Maybe that's too big a gulf to be meaningful, but when I watch players on TV I see: aces, winners and rallies. Here so many points never get started because of all the UEs that get in the way. When we play doubles I'm aware of all the UEs and that that really determines who wins. At higher levels I'd think that errors mostly happen by very forcing shots or when a player really goes for an outstanding shot. I'd expect the "What was that?" shot to be fairly rare. Some hackers are better than others, but the short rallies and inability to keep the ball in play make me think that these guys are some pretty good hackers, but still hackers.
     
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    Ok I'm getting back into tennis, I've not played a tourney in 10 years. I'd play either of these guys for money. I'd say I have the strokes of a 5.0 but my movement sucks right now so realistically 4.5. Offer stands if they are in socal. We could tape it too for the tt forum amusement so they can make fun of us both. Every video on here gets torn down, I'm hesitant to post some when I get a new camera. Are they serving two 2nd serves, I don't think I saw a serve break 85mph.
     
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    I've got a nickel. I'll take 6 please.
     
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    LOL, I'm just busting some people's horns. Gary is a nice guy, he's done some pretty good work. I don't worship anyone, I was just having a little fun. :)
     
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    Read the guy's credentials on his profile. He's not a hacker. I was just messing around before. It's raining like cats and dogs, we had a day off and I had a few beers...................... and he is a nice guy.
     
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    Did we get up on the wrong side of the bed today?
     
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    Oh crap... not this **** again.

    I love it when someone posts a vid- says are these guys X.0?????

    Then people who know the players pull up verifiable proof that they players are on X.0 level, but then half the hacks on this board want to subtract about 2 NTRP levels because their strokes aren't pretty or they don't look like Fed playing tennis..... *sigh*...........

    I think more than half of this board have never taped themselves and seen themselves play....
     
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    BTW- if you check the guy's name by visiting his blog then check his NTRP on tennis link - as of 2007, he was rated as a 5.0 - end of thread.
     
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    videos can be deceiving/misleading.
     
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    Yep.......................
     
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    The guy in white has been questioned on here before and he is apparently a real USTA 5.0, but I think he got that rating mostly from doubles and is more of a weak 5.0.
     
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    4.5. People who would even consider listing 3.5 need their head checked. Thats like me posting this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk_eCLU_qnU&feature=channel

    and stating "Can't be more than a 5.0 this guys forehand looks ugly". Doesn't matter if it is not picture perfect. Plenty of people at a 4.5-5.0 level can get the job done with less than perfect technique.

    That being said I'm not completely convinced these guys are 5.0. Perhaps varying markets are going to be quite different. I know the competition in Atlanta is pretty sick and these guys (especialy guy in blue) would get abused regularly at 5.0.
     
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    Just want to add that with "chubby" I DID NOT want to insult that man. I consider myself chubby as well :) Nothing sinister....
     
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    HE IS A 5.0. YES. 5.0!!!!!!!!!!!

    HE HAS A VERIFIED USTA NTRP OF 5.0 End Of Story.
     
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    I don't think he can beat drakulie though!
     
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    3.5 or 5.0? I'm stumped.:?:
     
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    ^^^^uhmmm, if he has a verified 5.0 NTRP, and has had it for a few years>>> what do you think?
     
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    hahahhahahhhaha. he'd have trouble with your wicked cross court.
     
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    Ok I'm convinced now. 2.5. Thanks for clearing that up :)
     
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    drakulie how tall are u, im wondering because on your serve speed videos dont look that tall.
     
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    what does the following 3 things have in common

    real estate market
    politics
    NTRP ratings

    they are all local!

    5.0 (even if verifiable) in 1 market can be 4.0 in another.. the OP's video is a rock solid proof of that.

    for Pete's sake.... I got it, so he has been a 5.0, so what, still will only get 2 games out of a set from any 4.5 in my market, or any Div I/II player.
     
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    He was a computer generated 5.0 in thailand / hawaii (bad tennis . . .). He has videos playing with top thai players and they aren't very good . . .

    Hes older and chubby but he has good strategy and placement. Good at net too. In a quality tennis area he would be in the 4.0-4.5 range. He lacks the power and stamina to take higher level players. To say otherwise is preaching ignorance. Those slow high looping shots that bounce at the service line would be game over in any 5.0 matchup.

    Plenty of videos he has posted for you to watch. Just watch them and draw your own conclusions.
     
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    Definitely the worst display of 5.0 tennis I've ever seen! Maybe there is hope for me ever reaching that level of play! :)

    This video just proves how little I understand the game of tennis, because I can't figure out why these guys are good.
     
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    FYI, NTRP = National Tennis Rating Program

    National = Local? Think about it....
     
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    Its a national scale but for those who don't travel out of state to play you are ranked based on local competition.
     
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    I can believe they are 5.0, no way they are below 4.5 especially the heavier guy, nice forehand. Anyone that says they are below 4.0 needs to post a video of themselves.
     
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    I think the NTRP scale is fairly compatible across the nation. I think what skews it is that a lot of players who don't play USTA have an unrealistic veiw of what they would be rated if they did play USTA tennis. (I'm not saying that's the case here.)

    And, we all know that a player isn't given a 5.0 rating because he has pretty strokes and a nice body. He get's a 5.0 rating because he plays competitively with other 5.0's. (Or else he self rates as a 5.0.)
     
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    they are good tennis players but the five o's at my club play at a much higher level.
     
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    Since most areas don't have leagues above 5.0, one problem is that it may encompass alot of players who would be classified as 5.5-6.0. Since alot of these types of players play mostly open or age group tourrnaments that may not count towards their ratings because they play against unrated players, they may get stuck with that 5.0 rating year after year and play the occasional league match.
     
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