video: are these guys 5.0?

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  1. LeeD

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    VBt....
    Man, you gotta like his depth on shots, his serve placement and bounce, and hate his movement and interest. So at least he can hit 5.5 shots without any interest or need to try. Guess he's better than 5.5 when he tries!!
     
  2. JRstriker12

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    LOOK UP THE PLAYER'S RECORD ON TENNIS LINK - 5.0 - CASE CLOSED
     
  3. VaBeachTennis

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    Yeah I agree, here's more footage.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iiQ-kgoiSU
     
  4. jazzyfunkybluesy

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    If he is a nationally ranked player then he has an open status like Danny at TW.
     
  5. VaBeachTennis

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    LOL, no doubt LeeD. I bet the guy on the near court is his friend or brother.
     
  6. dozu

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    you know that kid also? he's ranked 5.5

    just look it up.
     
  7. dozu

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    indeed, so he is 5.0 - a hack with a rating from a screwed up system.

    case closed.
     
  8. mtommer

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    Dozu, just give it up with them.

    Until you HAVE to look like this in order to play at "your" level...who cares about the associated NTRP ratings. In other words, there are no bad "looking" pro's or semi-pros. The "looking good" is an integral part of good technique. You can't not look good if you have good technique, so to speak.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H62f6Z3-3_o&feature=related
     
  9. Mike Cottrill

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    The first time I played against him years and years ago, he just totally blew me away with shots I have never seen anyone hit before. Hits with more types of spins than anyone I have played before. It was very eye opening for sure. At that time I think he was #1 in the 40’s. I remember seeing your clip of his twister/kick and thought it did not look as nasty as I remembered from years ago (at that time it had been awhile since I had seen him). I think he has taken some mph off of it, but it still moves all over the place. It was giving my partner fits (me too, I hate returning those things, but always a pleasure to get a chance to face a player of this level). My partner kept saying, is he hitting that harder than my twister? I said it is slower but he is hitting the spots. He hits the spots and makes it very tough to do anything with it. No need to blast the kicker harder when he can follow it up with the next shot. Not sure if he was screwing around or if he has changed some things, but he was almost doing a quick serve motion. It was like he was letting the ball drop low before he hit the nasty kick. Did not remember that from before, but granted it was a long time between playing against his serve. My partner said it looked like he was hitting the ball off his ear. You have to keep your feet moving or your just going mess up returning it. I moved around a lot, coming in cutting off the ball before it moved to much, moved back and let it drop low.. Things like that. I remember one time I thought I had him figured out and thought I was getting the kicker and he nailed one and caught me half way between the baseline and the service line and my return was lets say defense in nature. I asked him if he saw me come in, and he said no. I think he did.. I can say, I would rather return 120mph blasters than his kick. I can get it back, but not able to attack it at all. And when there is a 6’5” guy at the net, well, not pretty if you do not place it.
    Do you still have that vid of his kicker? I would like to see if he was letting the toss drop or short toss.
     
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  10. LeeD

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    Yup, good stuff there..... solid 5.5's
    White boy sure can kick it up.
    Nice variety backhand on Santos.
    NO doubt, they're solid top college level players.
    Some flaws would keep them from Q'ing into the main draw too.
     
  11. dozu

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    thanks for providing some sanity to this.

    It's a rainy day in my part of the country and I am just playing along with these guys.

    otherwise, I'd have been playing against that 5.5 kid that drakulie was referrring to,and who'd have time for this nonsense.
     
  12. mucat

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    Can't keep a rally going == zero consistency
    2.0 at best.
     
  13. goober

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    So you think this pro in the maindraw wimbledon 2006 looks good?:)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kpelRORbGk&feature=related

    BTW while in may be in true in general that pros and semipros all have good looking technique. There are a lot of club people who look like their technique is good but actually suck tenniswise.
     
  14. Mike Cottrill

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    So you admit that he's a 5.0?

    BTW- the 1.0's in my area can beat Federer....
     
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    Yeah, she looks alright. Oh, sorry, you meant her tennis strokes :D.

    Srly, though, yeah, she looks fine. Different styles don't make one look bad.
     
  17. UnforcedError

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    Sorry but MTOMMER agreeing with you is the most sure indication you are wrong available. Check out other recent threads where he thinks match results are a poor way to determine who is better.
     
  18. jserve

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    I wished the 5.0 players in my area played like that. I would win a lot more matches.
     
  19. VaBeachTennis

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    Yeah, i just think that they are friends hitting around and doing an informal warm up. I never checked the guy's name out in the ATP but I figured if they posted his name he must be legit. But then against it's the internet............
     
  20. ttbrowne

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    He's 3.5-4.0. We have 2 pros at our club who are 5.0 and they would destroy this hacker.
     
  21. dozu

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    here is a good-night comment for all. (darn, forecast says more rain tomorrow, maybe we'll have a go at it again when I wake up).

    strong - weak - it'a all relative.

    us who face strong opponents day in day out can instantly detect that the ball speed and depth are 1-2 levels lower in that video than the everyday tennis we face (Div I/II type of guys),and tend to dismiss the video as 1 of hackers.

    those who are hackers themselves, however, can also instantly feel that the video is 1-2 levels above their own tennis, and tends to rate it higher.

    perception is reality.
     
  22. namui

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    Since the fact is that Gary's actual NTRP is 5.0 (verified), any opinion on his NTRP will reflect the competency (or lack of) of the person who gives the opinion.
     
  23. CHOcobo

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    a 5.0 hits like that from baseline?? if i was consistent i could easily be 6.0.....:(
     
  24. JRstriker12

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    Those who look up the NTRP of the guy in the video tend to rate it exactly as it is....
     
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    They have a very 1 dimensional game only serve can get a forehand over but not very hard. No backhand. When they come in they don't close fast enough lots of the volleys insted of bouncing could have been taken earlier as put aways. Not near 5.0. Just my 10 cents
     
  26. Rob_C

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    Who is that guy???

    Isnt Andy Lake rated as a 5.5???? If so, I say Lake smokes that guy. What do u think???
     
  27. UnforcedError

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    Dozu if you were any good you wouldn't be bragging about the people you hit with, you would have the rating or ranking and people who suck would be bragging about hitting with you.
     
  28. JRstriker12

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    Check him on on tennis link - your 10 cents just depreciated....
     
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    Sums it up best.
     
  30. raiden031

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    Pretty sure most of the people who are still appraising them as under 5.0 aren't actually reading all the other posts.
     
  31. Azzurri

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    hence you are not.:)
     
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    neither could I. At first I thought he was 4-5 year old being trained for baseball. But then I noticed his age was 3 :).
     
  34. WildVolley

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    I think that was a video of Val Wilder, but I'm not sure. Val Wilder was winning the 40s division on multiple surfaces when he was 45.
     
  35. CHOcobo

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    hence the :( face
     
  36. drakulie

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    yes, the video I posted is, Val Wilder.

    Also, one poster asked about Lake and him playing. I believe Lake wins the match in straight sets, but it won't be a blow out.
     
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  38. WildVolley

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    Isn't Lake about ten years younger than Wilder?
     
  39. xFullCourtTenniSx

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    Jesus Christ... This has been covered many times! (both here and on YouTube)

    He is a legitimate USTA NTRP 5.0 player IN HAWAII! COMPUTER RATED TOO!

    He'd rather play 4.5 tennis though, and might be having a hard time in 5.0 tennis, so anything under a 4.5 rating is just bullcrap from you idiots. He's proven himself on the 4.5 level already at NATIONALS! And 4.5s there are 5.0+!

    And the 5.5 in the video Drakulie posted probably never misses a ball (and probably has very accurate placement)... Looks like he played with a wood racket too from the looks of it (for most of his life as well). Under those conditions, I don't doubt his ability to give me a tough match, and probably even crush me (without even looking at the 5.5 rating). I've seen guys like these play before, and they're very good as long as they can get to the ball and put a racket on it.

    Kinda surprised about the amount of pace he put on the last shot. A video of a collection of points would be greatly appreciated. :) Didn't think he could put that much on the ball with his form.
     
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    Yeah, I can vouch for the way Val played back in the late 1980's. He used to work out/play with some of us, many of whom were major college players. Dude handled all of us for the most part.

    At 6'4 or so, with an unbelievable kick serve, WORLD CLASS VOLLEYS AND OVERHEAD, he was almost impossible to break. Just really, really tough. Trust me, he would still throttle most anyone on this forum.
     
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  42. Topaz

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    This really sums up the inconsistent answers on the thread, I think. Well said.

    Heh, heh, it is an argument to protect the very delicate ego.

    Again, it bears repeating, that in the US ratings and rankings are two different things. NTRP ratings are earned through league play and NTRP tournament play (based on results...shhh, don't anyone tell mtommer).

    Rankings are determined by participation in various tournaments. To earn an open ranking, you must enter and play an open tournament (though, there are rules stipulating how many and what your results must be to actually get a ranking). Likewise, age group tournaments will generate age group rankings, and NTRP tournaments will generate NTRP rankings (as well as effect your rating!).

    It can get confusing, and it is frightening to see how it is vastly misunderstood by some as well (not directing that at *you* EB).
     
  43. Mike Cottrill

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    What about that simple backhand? Drive anyone nuts back in the day?
    Drak picked some strange points to post. Not all his points are like that, he can work a rally too ;)
    When I played him a few months back, he was hitting the serve a little lower off a little shorter toss. Maybe the knee or something
     
  44. chico9166

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    Yeah Mike,

    I just always thought that his groundstrokes kinda served the purpose of getting him into net. It wasn't like he blew you of the court from the ground. But invariably, he'd figure out a way to use them to transition forward, and then you were in trouble. Kinda Mcenroe'esk, in that regard. I don't know how he's moving now, but he really was an extra-ordinarily agile and quick big guy. A great athlete!
     
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  45. Mike Cottrill

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    8-10 years ago he moved very well. Hopefully his knee is better now. And yes, he still looks to get forward and I guess that is why grass fits him so well. All those different spins he has. Yep, power is not his game. Not sure he can even hit a serve over 110mph. I don’t think he started playing tennis until his teens??

     
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  47. chico9166

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    Bottom line, the guy was/is a really great player. What top 100 in the world? It's good to see he's still doing it after all these years.
     
  48. Slzr.Matias

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    My opinion is that he's a 4.0
     
  49. EikelBeiter

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    Even if it was directed at me I wouldn't take offense, because I don't live or play in the U.S. But thanks for explaining the system, seems a little bit over complicated though.
     
  50. Topaz

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    Heh, heh, well, just being careful...I've had several diatribes directed at me lately that I didn't see coming!

    If you're in the 'system' and competing in leagues and tournaments, you get a bit more used to it and it makes more sense, but I can totally see how from the outside it would seem complicated. For all the criticism directed at it from some on the board, it almost seems a bit unfair, because for the most part it works and works really well.
     

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