video: are these guys 5.0?

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  1. Topaz

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    Yeah, well, I live at the SOUTH Pole, and here those guys would rule to roost! ;)

    I think the only thing left to do here is to post pictures of trains...or facepalm.
     
  2. drakulie

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    It doesn't matter what the rating is any more. It matters how good the players are. 5.0 was supposed to be "good". It no longer matters that the guy has a 5.0 rating. The guy does not display "good" tennis, tennis that people should look up to as a higher standard, and that alone is what matters.

    Heretofore, I, mtommer, do hereby decree myself judge and jury and so say that 5.0 tennis will no longer be declared good tennis. From this moment on the new standard of tennis level that shall be envied and sought after with regards to emulating the level of play, as the lowest level of which higher levels sought shall be admirable, will be 6.0. Henceforth let no player rated lower than 6.0 be allowed entry onto a tennis court, excepting where the matches between lower rated players be solely for fun, lest the lower players stink up the court for those properly good tennis players. So it has been written, so it shall be said.

    (dozu and others who responded, the "obvious" part of the video is seen in the first frame. ;))
     
  4. Cody

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    Thats it i'm making a facepalm thread

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  5. mtommer

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    I like this facepalm the best...

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  6. Rambler124

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    More facepalms please.

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  7. OliverSimon

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    No way. 3.5 at best.
     
  8. dozu

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    no way, 2.5 at best :)
     
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    My facepalm contribution!

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  11. IvanAndreevich

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    I'll up you with a 1.5 :lol:
     
  12. richjohn

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    It is a just a thread asking for everybody's opinion. So everybody here has freedom to say they are actually 7.0 pros or 2.5 at best.

    IMO, both of them are solid and good recreational players but they are not 5.0 to my standard. They are probably 4.0 or 4.5 at best.

    You have to be a (former) University player to claim 5.0
     
  13. LeeD

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    I question that one, for sure.
    How about a player who never played tennis at college or university, but went 4 and 5 rounds in the two PRO Q's he tried to qualify for?
    Losing only to a future top 20 (in two years) one year (JoaroSoares), then losing to RussellSimpson the following (a top 70 pro and much better doubles pro the following year).
    So I was 4.5 in your estimation?
     
  14. Topaz

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    Really? Would you like to post a link backing up this bit of information here?
     
  15. dozu

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    this falls inline with my point that good players tend to rate the video lower. and vice versa, worse hackers tend to rate better hackers higher.
     
  16. mtommer

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    Ok, I have to ask, do you and Drak email each other your ideas about reading comprehension? Richjohn's entire post is about opinion. Would you care to take a guess that his statement is *gasp* opinion?
     
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    former university players are at best 1.5 players.
     
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    Not true at all. 5.0 is not good enough to be d1 player. Most d2 players are 4.5-5.0. There are 5.0 players who never went to or did not play college tennis, or never played junior usta tournaments. 5.0 is a solid level, but in reality it's not that much better than being a 4.5 player. A 5.0 will still get beat pretty quick in open tournaments.

    5.0's are usually former d2 players, former good usta junior players, and the occasional great athlete who never did both.
     
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    You cannot catagorize what a "5.0" player can do. Some have guts, determination, and make the best of a poor athlete's skills. Other's can hit 7.0 shots occasionally, run as fast as 7.0's, but haven't been playing long enough, didn't get the coaching, or ON THE WAY UP ! On the way up means they have the skills to make 7.0, but aren't experienced YET!
    What you say generalizes a 5.0 as having limited shots, limited potential, and that they can get only as far as they already have. You are limiting them by catagorizing their "age" and experieince, without knowing WHO they are.
    And some juniors grow really early, peaking their heights at 14. Other's are STILL GROWING at 20, and their athletic peak is much later than the former.
    Catagorizing is what general USTA teaching preaches. That's why we have NO future in the ATP tour with our current juniors.
     
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    WTF? What happened to the facepalms? This thread was much better about a page ago... ;)
     
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    ^^^Win!!!!!!
     
  23. LeeD

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    Would you rather win while playing poorly or lose playing the best match of your life?
    For me, I don't play below my level, or don't hold it as anything but practice. I play my level, but mostly above. I lose often, and often playing poorly.
    But it's better than playing a 4.0 and winning.
     
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    hahaha that one is the best Drak - you win.
     
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    They have freedom to do so yes. Your opinion is valid but the bottom line that others are trying to state is that if one asks if these guys are 5.0 and the USTA has them listed as 5.0 then they are. Its not an opinion based system is the point. If you feel they are not - sure you are entitled to believe that.
     
  27. mtommer

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    I guess, but I would never consider a future 7.0 player to be a 5.0, ever. The steps simply don't apply to them. They are above and beyond "steps". I also wouldn't ever consider a once 7.0 retired player to be anything other than a 7.0 player. Pete Sampras could be a parapalegic and I would still consider him a 7.0 player. But also, the numbered rating just wouldn't apply. In other words, Pete was a pro and therefore will always be a pro.
     
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    Yeah, well, I don't see it that way...
    I'm more in tune with the up and coming motocrossers, from their early 80cc mini days thru 125's and progressing to 250's and opens.
    They were all little kids when they started, easily beatable and human. They got better because of opportunity and no major injuries. I know several up and comers who could have been the best, but injuries sidetracked them.
    And once pro, after 20 odd years, they drop couple of levels, just like everyone else when they get OLDER.
    Pro is someone with talent, opportunity, luck, and some tunnel visioning.
     
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    It seems that chubby dude could be a real 5.0 if he would stop using that butterfly net of a racquet.

    He has some nice angled stab-volleys.

    Going with the kick serve on both serves in both courts all the time, outside of players named Edberg and Samantha Stosur, IMO, is asking to get creamed at a 5.0+ level by competent returners. However, it is a nice serve.

    4.5
     
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    You're obviously either:

    a) a chubby dude
    b) a guy who hits kick serves too often
    c) a chubby dude who hits kick serves too often


    I bet its c)
     
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    I think I found a new avatar!

    My dear Sir Sweet Spot...(if that is indeed your real name)...I understand that this INSANE thread is now 15 pages long, but you really should check out a few of the replies before posting your own. Chubby though one of them may be, they have established NTRP ratings of 5.0. On tennislink. Using the USTA's rating system (not that of LeeD, mtommer, or any other poster). Done and...done.

    And...d) I'm not a guy.
     
  34. Topaz

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    We may need to progress from trains and facepalms...

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  35. sureshs

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    4.5 max.

    Chubby seems to foot faulting a lot of the time.
     
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    The white shirt guy has 5.0 game, but a 3.5 laugh- tops.
     
  37. mtommer

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    If you're going to suggest a thread might be better off dead, do it right...

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    ^^^Ahahahahaaaa, I love it! :)
     
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