Video for tennis dads.

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  1. TennisCoachFLA

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    This video ties in nicely to the raising tennis kids dynamic we were discussing. This girl is playing the Herr right now.

    Rarely do you see someone post raw footage of a tennis dad pushing the kid verbally, the girl quits at the end. Usually You Tube footage is sanitized. And man, this little kid can wallop the ball! If you think your 9 year old can hit, this might give you a frame of reference.

    Check out her very last forehand at the 3:07 mark....damn!

    http://www.youtube.com/user/edava2day#p/u/7/EstXmBAqYWU
     
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  2. Ash_Smith

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    Ouchie!

    That is some horrible technique! She obviously has some "talent" as she gives it a good crack when it's in her strike zone, but as soon as she has to move a little it's game over for that swing!

    I feel sorry for her as it's entirely not her fault, but poor, poor coaching. Imagine how good she could be with improved technique!

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    What?!?! Did you catch the last part?

    "It hurts right here and here", she says pointing to her kidneys. "Can I please go to the bathroom?"

    "No..."
     
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  4. TennisCoachFLA

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    Yup, dad is yelling at her for not getting to the ball. Perhaps he should yell at the coach!

    But yeah, she can crack the stuffing out of the ones hit right to her!
     
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  5. TennisCoachFLA

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    Oh yeah....we are competing with some hard core tennis dad nuts the world over. I was shocked to see the video posted with such raw footage. Thats rare.
     
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    I don't get it, is the dad the coach or the guy feeding the coach? Anyhow this dad is nuts,, I predict he will kill his daughters tennis career.

    This girl is very well developed for a 9 yr. old, strong legs, broad shoulders, defined arms.

    I not in the camp of, "hit everything as hard as you can" at that age.
     
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  7. TennisCoachFLA

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    Dad was running the camera talking.

    By the way, that girl could be my girl's twin body wise, even hair color wise and basic features. Even the attitude is close. My girl is only 7 but was blessed with that type of frame.
     
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    Wow, your cursed, now you really have some heavy responsibilities with your daughters tennis.:)
     
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    that is like watching my kid play at 9, i used to be like this dad but not anymore, :)
     
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    I agree, my kid was in a similar situation, we have stopped clinics and USTA and now only do privates ( 1.5) three times a week plus basketball roller blading and fitness, for improving legs.
     
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    correct my kid always pulls the bathroom break gig when the balls have to be picked up. :twisted:
     
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  12. TennisCoachFLA

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    True, in some ways I will be glad to hand her coaching off in another year or so. I know that may sound strange. But I do not want to risk our relationship becoming like I saw in that video.
     
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    I handed mine off to three coaches, and in a year ( maybe less) we will stick with one that he likes and is most comfortable with.
     
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    agree.I hate her forehand.Too many slapshots!
     
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    The coach should sack the dad!
     
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    Except that there are no balls on the court to pick up. I have a boy and girl and the girl has to go 3x as often as the boy. Sounds real to me.
     
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    Just saw that this player has reached the QF round at the Eddie Herr in the 12s, so she can probably hit the ball in the court when necessary.
     
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    I agree he didn't necessarily seem abusive. It seems she was giving it right back to him. Perhaps, that's how they relate to each other.

    He was, however, one of those annoying parents that won't shut it during a the lesson. He should let the coach do his job.

    As for her game, it does look loads better in the videos you posted. In the first video, her balls were all over the place. I wonder what the coach was trying to accomplish. It looked like a mess though her racquet head speed was tremendous for her age.
     
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    I also think it's adorable that they have her videos listed as "tennis kid" rather than "the future star" .."the next maria sharapova"...or "tennis prodigy" like some nutty parents do.
     
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    Yes, she is moving much better here. The serve needs some fundamental work though. No use letting such a hard working kid dead end with that serve some day. Here is a better view of the serve, have to nip that strange wind up in the bud, looks like she is playing Jai alai. She actually hits them pretty hard even with that flaw. If she fixes that serve, it could be sweet.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/edava2day#p/u/16/5YtViF1aEyQ
     
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    He pushes her pretty hard, but I like that she said assertively, "you have to move back" when he was crowding her. It doesn't seem like she's being emotionally beaten down. She'll be fine.
     
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  23. TennisCoachFLA

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    I think we are all talking out of school here. The original video was a dad being a verbal jerk and not really contributing anything constructive. Some posters thought it was too much, others were okay with it.

    As far as "she'll be fine"....thats what he considers suitable for You Tube and public consumption...who the heck knows what he says when the camera is off.

    How many tennis dads here would allow that first video to be posted? Even if they said stuff like that, they would feel lame and keep it private. So again, when the camera is off, who knows. At the very least he is a meddlesome guy who has no clue about tennis so should keep quiet.
     
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  24. maggmaster

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    They play at my club. She can kick the crap out of the ball, I hit on the court next to her all the time.
     
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  26. TennisCoachFLA

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    Ha, cool kid my friend! Looks good.

    A few minor things on the forehand. I think if he held the off hand extension down the baseline a tad longer, he would be 'loaded' up for more power. Stand behind him and say, load, hold, hold, explode.....get him to hold that rotation until he is ready to explode into the ball.

    Also, look at the view from behind his forehands. His back foot kind of drags the toes, robbing him of some power. Have him explode and let his body come around more with the stroke. A wild guess, he plays baseball? From behind that toe drag reminds me of a baseball swing.

    Nice job, looks like a solid little athlete having fun.
     
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  27. gplracer

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    Thanks he is having fun. Thanks for the input. I think the take back on the backhand is too much too. His racket gets parallel with the back fence.

    Actually he has not played baseball. He has played every other sport from disc golf to swim team , basketball and football.
     
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    By coincidence I watched part of her EH match today. She was thoroughly outplayed by a very skillful opponent 2 years her older and much taller. But I did see a few crazy forehand winners. I also watched some G14?? match today around 7pm on Center court. Not sure who these girls were but they also could hit the crap out of the ball but with a nice topspin so they could control their shots. Better to spend time and money on improving technique instead of trying to take on the world at 10.
     
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    Thanks to the OP for posting the video. I have been trying to find video on YouTube of her after seeing her ranking at her age and being in EH.
    @ maggmaster - is she at the court all day? I see that she does online schooling. Does she go to an academy or just do privates with a really good coach? Trying to find the secret to success in the ******* :-(

    @ TCF - please pm me to set up a playdate for our daughters when we're there in March :)
     
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    Not all day, but then again neither am I. I see them there quite a bit. I don't know anything about the training program, sorry.
     
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    I'll agree with that, but that doesn't mean she is being horribly abused as some posters seem to conclude.
     
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    I will say that she seems to enjoy the game a lot more than some of the other high performance juniors. Many of the parents ask me to hit with their kids, she seems content to hit with her coach or father.
     
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    By the way, here is the girl that beat her at the Herr yesterday. Check out the grip on the forehand. I know she is having success right now in the 12s.....but anyone think that grip will maximize her long term chances of success? Sure some pros even hit with different grips, but to me you are better off stacking the odds and going with a more traditional grip.

    http://www.vcstar.com/photos/galleries/2010/apr/22/ojai-tennis-tournament/10289/

    http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&...tart=0&ndsp=23&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:0&tx=38&ty=37
     
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    Wow, I would break my wrist trying to flatten out a high ball.
     
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  37. TennisCoachFLA

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    Yeah, the grip hurts just looking at it. I am just amazed what coaches allow kids to get away with as long as they are winning in the 12s-14s.
     
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    Agree, that's just too extreme. Why would any good teaching pro allow that kind of grip.

    That's part of the curse of being tops in 12 & 14's, then fading away in the 16 & 18's.
     
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    I played juniors through the fourteens and my coach let me get away with only having a slice backhand, there are lots of bad coaches out there.
     
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    You nailed it right on the head. It really angers me. A hard working girl, built nicely for tennis, putting in the time, competing.

    And very likely to run straight into a brick wall some day because her coach at age 8-9 did not take the time to fix her grip.
     
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    Yea, but if it was fixed she would lose matches in the 12's.

    My guess is, and this is being optimistic, that they work on it in practice and it's just not match ready, yet.
     
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  42. TennisCoachFLA

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    I hope you are right, but highly doubt it. She has been using that grip a long time, won in the 10s and now the 12s. Sadly once they start winning with grips like that most coaches do not have the guts to change them, or the parents resist. Rick Macci always says the biggest single dead ender in junior tennis is an extreme grip that wins in 10-14s, then gets crushed in 16-18s. I think he would cry if he saw her grip.
     
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    it would be so hard to hit on the run with that grip.
     
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    I should have said "overly optimistic". I like you hope they fix it soon. It's really not that hard to gradually get her moved to the proper grip. As much as they hit it could be done in 1-3 months, easy. As many tournaments/matches as she's playing, it (Dad) likely won't allow for losses short-term for improvement long-term.

    Outcome oriented focus versus process oriented focus. Many folks just don't get it.
     
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    Congratulations to her as I see she made it to the finals.

    The other girl in the finals is one awesome player, the likes of which I've never seen before. I had an opportunity to watch her onetime at a local NorCal section tourney. She has a very aggressive game...the one time I watched her, she almost never played past the baseline but inside and taking the ball early. I predict the outcome in the latter's favor.
     
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  47. Number1Coach

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    I agree many folks don't get it !
     
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    She's been doing very well in the 14s too. Looks like she just aged out during this tournament.
     
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    To answer your question, it will be hard for her to hit her FH with pace and to avoid injury as she moves into the older age divisions. Look at Sofia Kenin in the picture below her - same grip but completely different forehand mechanic. My daughter has the exact grip and if she wants to avoid future injuries, she needs to get her elbow behind the racquet at the contact point
     
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  50. TennisCoachFLA

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    Good point. When Macci had Sofia at 5-6 years old he was constantly switching her back to semi western from an extreme western. Lots of girls seem to let that grip slip around if you do not stay on them.
     
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