Discussion in 'Tennis Tips/Instruction' started by JackB1, Dec 14, 2012.
whoa...BobFL lost some weight and now giving serving tips. go Bob...
And do you know what joint motion the lat performs in the serve?
You make some great points.
I also thought that his keeping the shoulders level might be counterproductive. For the sake of solely developing a feel for the racquet drop, though, it is a very good drill.
As for ISR: I just tried shadowing a serve without using ISR (but keeping pronation) and it is extremely awkward. What I did notice, though, is that pronation enables ISR; one motion facilitates and guides the other. I think coaches focus on pronation for two reasons: control (since forearm is closer to the ball that the shoulder) and so as not to confuse a student with two separate movements.
Thats not how the guy teaches. You are over analyzing it IMO.
we are not talking about robots with separate moving pieces... pronation seems to go hand in hand with isr.
I wish we could keep all the technical mumbo jumbo and anatomy lessons out of this thread. It's really not helping me at all. I need simple drills and thoughts to work on without over thinking and over analyzing everything. Can we please keep this thread simple and practical? Thanks.
i like this feel tennis guy.
I think his name is Tomaz Mencinger; even before he started up Feel Tennis, I think his youtube channel was tennis mind game, lot of good stuff there too.
jack= you are on the right track. the key is to find a good pro for you. if you are not happy tell them. you are paying the money. get your moneys worth.
power player-hows that serve coming?
just to update this thread..... I am making some real progress finally with my serve. I am learning how to really let the arm and wrist go and be looser throughout the serve. I played a league singles match last night and served the best I have in a while. I am finally starting to get a repeatable rythym and everything is falling into place more and more. I still struggle to get the racquet down my back, but I feel like it's getting better all the time. I will post another video soo to show you guys my progress. I really appreciate all the help form everyone. It has started to payoff.
This is an old drill and it works well. Teaches you to rotate shoulder back and then foward. You keep the legs relaxed but stationary - no knee bend or explosion up. Basically, you are serving with rotation of the shoulders and hips may rotate a bit too. I do this sometimes when warming up. Once you get comfortable with a smooth continuous rotation, you can really get pretty good pace just using upper body rotation. I have seen video of Paul Annacone somewhere teaching this drill.
KEY: The butt of the racket will point roughly at the ball if the racket head drops fully. It is a transitional position and there is no pause with butt point up. From trophy position, as your body/shoulders start up and rotating in toward contact, the loop happens. Try thinking pull the racket up to contact with butt of racket pointing roughly at the contact area as you start hand up. Hitting elbow is up high too.
You could even start with a few warm up serves from the racket drop position. In service stance, start with racket head hanging down R side of back and butt pointing up. Toss and serve 10-12 balls from here. Then put racket in trophy pose, toss and loop thru racket drop and pull butt up for 10-12 balls. Then do full service motion and see if you can incorporate the pull up into the motion with no pauses or hitches - smooth and fairly slow motion until you get the feel.
I have a friend who has a very good serve. He racket butt points at the ball. I told him this once and he did not believe me. It was visible if you focused on his motion but it happens so fast and he gave it no thought. But, it happens.
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