Video of my Forehand and Serves

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  1. ZPTennis

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  2. Verbal_Kint

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    Your kickserve excepted, it all looks alittle hurried/lacks rythm. You could also use a little more knee bend IMO.
     
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    But I can't argue against results... that's some niice pace! ;)
    Good job!
     
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  4. TENNIS_IS_FUN

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    I agree, your serve looks rushed....but your forehands look really nice!
     
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  5. ZPTennis

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    Yep. If your referring to my first serve i've always had a fast delivery. I dont feel rushed. its just how i've always done it. ;)
     
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  6. Nblade

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    your serve does look rushed but still is a pretty good serve.
     
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  7. Nextman916

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    Well its very difficult to fix if thats what youve always done. If it works ide keep that form unless you begin to have trouble, but just to let you know you could get much more power with more knee bend and launch, especially with your racquet head speed.

    -Oh and great forehand, nice small adjustment steps last second to position yourself. Nice follow through ots. Whats your NTRP? just curious.
     
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  8. Ten_is

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    the video looks speeded up right at your serve. I can tell you know how to edit as you edited the second video of your "first serve".

    On the critique side of things, I'm not a great server either.. just learning actually. But it looks like you are quite stiff in general. Wether be serving or playing.. you seem to not bend your knees down and and an opponent could easily beat you by making you run around. You don't seem fluant when you're playing. Great swing in the serve, nice forehands. Try bending down with your knees a little during your serve. Very nice. ;)
     
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  9. looseswing

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    I think on the forehands the only thing to work on is extending much more.
     
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    Yeah I edited all the videos i put up but the speed wasn't changed. i put it into a wmv file. Which btw, took me quite a while to figure out how to do all this. At least im decent with computers so i could figure it out.

    ah yeah. I could always use more knee bend. Your right that I am a stiff person. However I am pretty fast on the court.

    Nextman, 4-5 years ago, I was a 4.5. I dont have a current rating now but im a much better player now than I was then. The people i play with think im a 5.0 currently.
     
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  11. Mr.Federer

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    On your forehand, use your left hand to balance your body. You're not really using it, it's just there lol.
     
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  12. ZPTennis

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    The forehand video i posted is pretty much all topspin forehands. Im glad you mentioned that. I've actually been recently working on flattening out my forehand a little more to help with the put away shots. I dont have a video of it, but I think extending is the best way to describe it.
     
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  13. ZPTennis

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    good point. i notice that also.
     
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  14. Ten_is

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    I like his forehands alot. I find that bending down with the knees before impact, using your arm out for balance and stability, and jumping up with a nice turn from closed stance gives alot of nice results.
     
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    I did say it was rushed, but i didnt say it was bad! Excellent serve....
     
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  16. jackson vile

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    Looks a lot like the scud Mark Phil.

    I would say relax more especially on the forehand, but looks good
     
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  17. Ten_is

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    you seem like you swing so fast on your serves that you would be prone to injury. Notice Mr.Fed. his serves are not super fast and hard and he doesn't whip his shoulders like Mr.Roddick does.
    Sampras focused on the bending and throwing the ball way up high forward with lots of swing.

    I say Roddick will have a huge injury soon along with Nadal.
     
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  18. ZPTennis

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    haha. thanks. :)


    Erwin. As far as injuring myself, i know it looks like I swing fast but i don't concentrate on swinging my arm fast. I think about throwing my hips into the ball which then helps allow me to have that racquet head speed. If that was all arm, then yes. That would kill me.

    I've been told that my serve delivery resembles Roscoe Tanner. He had the same kind of quick release.
     
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  19. nopiforyou

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    I love your forehand. And your serves. Everything. On the forehand you seem to use a little effort to swing really fast. Which is awesome.
     
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  20. snoflewis

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    is it just me or does it look like he's arming everything way too much?

    however, results look very good...and the court is very nice..
     
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    Carlos Moya looks like he walks through his serve. Not much leg action like Agassi.

    ZPTennis is similar.
     
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  22. tennistensai

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    dude ur hat reminds me of these instructors at my community tennis place.
     
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  23. jackson vile

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    One thing we have to put into perspective here is that you have to take a lot of these peoples coments with a jar of salt.

    Technique can be so personal, and we see a lot of pros that have crap stokes, they aren't as good as many people here would have you bleive.

    Yet they have great success even with their crap looking serve and ground stokes, inorder to get those amazing looking strokes you have to look in the higher ranks.

    Tour tennis is #1 wheather or not you can endure the tour, not strokes ect.

    The moral of the story is, if it works for you and you are happy with it then go with that and tell everyone else to go mess themselves;)
     
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  24. Punisha

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    mmmm your forehand you sort of weight with racquet back and whereas your could sort of do a loop to generate more speed... serve looks a bit rushed but its nice :D love that first kick serve :D
     
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  25. Punisha

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    btw is there any reason there is no backhand there :D
     
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  26. Ten_is

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    ZP, I think your serves are dangerous either way. I know I'm not even on your level. Very nice kick serves. Love your forehands. Great job! :D

    By the way,.. this may sound like an odd question.. but I'm a new user and I'd like people to critique my serve. How do I do a new post? It's hard enough to be able to add an avatar, and I am computer literate.
     
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  27. ZPTennis

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    Thanks for the comments everyone. I think i've figured out why my serve does look a little rushed.

    The motion itself is how I always hit serves. But the time I take in preparing to hit the serve when I walk up to the line was very minimal. I was probably doing that because of the camera and I don't think I do that otherwise. I bet if I took more time in picking my spot where im going to serve it to, that it wouldn't look quite so rushed. I've had great success with the type of serve I have. When I get a chance again, i'll make another video and take more time in my preparation.

    Jackson Vile. I know what you mean. :)
    As far as the hat, yeah thats my old man hat. Even though im only 28 years old. My neck was getting to badly burned with how much tennis i've been playing lately. And sunscreen just comes off after a while.

    As far as having more of a loop on my forehand, I'm not sure what you mean. I have a full western forehand if you can't tell and I always thought I had a pretty defined loop. Regarding no backhand video, it has to do with 2 different video cameras I recorded with. My sisters camera was used on the clips you saw (her camera is more modern) but i'm having trouble figuring out how to get my own camera's video on the computer. I have recorded my backhand and volleys.

    Erwin, I wish the video quality didnt have to get worse. The first kick serve I hit was definitely better looking than the video really showed. :) To answer your question, on the left side of the forum, just click on the button that says new thread. You won't be able to have an avatar until you have like around 50 posts I think.
     
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  28. Ten_is

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    thanks, that avatar things sounds like it because I have no option but I uploaded my video. The New Thread button is not there yet. Wondering if it's the same thing.

    Thanks again!
     
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  29. drakulie

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    Nice videos! Thanks for sharing them with us.
    I agree with you..... defintiely reminded me of Tanner on the serve.
     
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  30. ZPTennis

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    thanks drakulie. :)
     
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  31. MasterTS

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    Your forehand swing is pretty good but you don't use your body enough to generate the extra heaviness/pace.

    Your first serve could have higher contact but hard to tell.

    Overall looks pretty good.. 5.0 to 5.5 player or so but hard to tell that from a few strokes too lol.
     
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  32. War Safin!

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    Roscoe Tanner-esque!
     
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    They said the same thing about Bjorn Borg but nothin happend to em'
     
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  35. ZPTennis

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    thanks for the feedback.

    it was hard to see from that angle, but I was hitting the ball fairly heavy. but yeah, I could definitely use some more body rotation. If you happened to watch that match with Luis Horna against Nadal, I was amazed at how much that guy used his body to hit the ball. ill try to work on that more thanks.

    i know i've never had a problem with tossing the ball too high. :) i try to hit it at the exact peak of the toss so its almost sitting still in the air on the first serve.



    yay :D

    thanks Duzza. im 28.
     
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  36. FitzRoy

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    Good serve ZPT. I think the motion of your first serve is very similar to mine. I've had a lot of people tell me to toss the ball higher and use more leg bend, but it really seems to disrupt my rhythm and I lose a lot of pace.

    Any idea how fast your first serves are?
     
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  37. ZPTennis

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    Thanks FitzRoy. Yeah i've heard before that people don't think I toss the ball very high which is true. But the way I see it is, if your hitting the ball sooner after the toss than everyone else, then you won't need as high of a toss. I've been trying to incorporate a little more knee bend lately with the same motion. The speed is staying the same but the consistency is going way up.

    As far as the speed, i've been radared at 131 before and that gave me a pretty good feel for judging speed after that. In my videos, the fastest serves are actually the ones in the serve side view. It was the 3rd and 4th serve in that video which were the fastest. I would guess both of those were over 130. The sound on those were better than the rest. :) The straight on view ones were probably 125ish.
     
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    my non-professional subjective opinion

    130s? Nice, and now for the critique...but I first want to state that I am still learning the game even after nearly two decades of playing.

    The Kick serve - the tossing arm doesn't extend fully upward - vertical. Rather it kind of extends into the court, but I believe that "pros" will extend perpendicular to the ground instead of being angled from the ground. It goes the same with the flat serve too. (I think someone already mentioned knee bending.)

    So with the tossing arm, that would also lead into the hip moving into the court more so that you could transfer the weight into the serve, creating a lil more "umph" into the swing.

    As far as the forehand, I would prefer having the non-hitting arm "parallel" that of your forehand. In other words, when you make contact with the ball, the arm position of the non-hitting arm should be a near mirror image of it. You currently have your left arm almost "hugging" your body at that point. You start off pretty good with the nonhitting arm coming across the body - it could be "better" if you straighten it out instead of having it slightly bent prior to making contact with the ball. (BTW, what you do now is currently better than 90% of all recreational players I have seen here.)

    For the footwork, you drag your feet a lil too much for me during the forehand. I would encourage you to be on your a toes a lil more. Why? Well, I want to know how much of your lower body goes into the shot. I haven't exacted all the techniques of every stroke, but I would imagine that you aren't fully utilizing your lower body to its potential.

    Let me explain - I apologize if you do this already but just saying for clarity sakes - prior to hitting, you should have the majority of your weight on the back foot. At impact, you want to transfer the weight and have a 50:50 balance of weight distribution on both feet. Then when you follow through, the wt. transfers to the front foot ensuring that you get full lower body into shot to help with moment transfer. So by having your back foot slide would "slow" down the pace and in effect alter the full potential of the swing.

    On a positive swing, you do something that I cannot do just quite yet. You most proably have the correct drop during your service where the racquet falls along side your body - see below pic. I don't quite get there yet. Its a working progress. The picture is from jef's website - its not mine but his.
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  39. shindemac

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    ZPTennis, nice serve. This is more an analysis of where the power comes from in your serve, and not a critique. Simple put, you have massive shoulder rotation. Most people who post vids don't even turn their bodies 90 degrees sideways, but you do and more. Plus, you have a very good shoulder stretch. Combined, I would say it gives you most of your power.

    It looks effortless because you are loose and able to effectively use the kinetic chain to generate all that power. I don't think your legs are generating as much power as others, but that's just my opinion. It would be amazing if you could get into the 140's by harnessing the energy in your legs. Your serve also looks simple because there are no fancy or wasted movements. It looks like there are only 2 things going on: straighten legs and rotate shoulder while keeping loose.
     
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  40. jackson vile

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    What happend to the vids?
     
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  41. MasterTS

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    He took them down because of the long debate regarding whether or not his serves were 125mph. Apparently people liked his service motion and spin/pace but cackled at the idea the serves were heating up at 125mph.
     
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    You have nice timing, but you could hit that forehand so much bigger if you could hit through it more and use the "windshield wiper" motion rather than just swinging across your body. That swing across the body is not allowing you to drive your weight through the ball effectively, and you are getting less contact between ball and strings by swinging like that.

    Watch the path of Federer's racket here:
    http://www.hi-techtennis.com/

    His racket doesn't swing across the ball at contact. Instead he uses the windshield wiper technique.
    http://www.hi-techtennis.com/forehand/videos/federer/fed_perfect.swf

    Pause on contact on the video and use your arrow keys to step through the next four frames. You will see that his racket is still on the right side of his body. This keeps your body (and shoulder specifically) behind the racket for longer. You can push forward longer to get more drive, or you get "wipe" more to get more topspin. Either way you will stay behind the ball longer with your bodyweight and get much cleaner contact.

    Jeff
     
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    Very nice.
    It kinda does seem like he's doing the 'windshield washer' type swing sometimes doesn't it? Thanks for the links and post!
     
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    He is very close, but he is pulling across his body more than the full windshield wiper you see with Federer. It gets the body and racket out of synch quickly. Even so, his forehand still is pretty good! I think if he can get more of the push lift and turn (rather than just the swing across) this guy could have a huge weapon. He is so close and has great coordination and timing.
     
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  47. ZPTennis

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    sorry I didnt know people were still looking at it. i thought my this thread was buried. :) I have new videos im working on that I will post not too long from now.

    I took the other first and second serve videos down b/c my dad fixed something wrong I was doing with my serve that I dont do now presently. Although my motion was correct, I had gone away from putting my full weight into the shot. So yes, the power was coming from my body, but I was not leaning into the serve like I should be. The result of simply making that one change has really helped the increase the power more.

    So i'll get new serve videos up when I can.

    The only one i have is the one in my sig. but i'll be taking that down as well after i get the new ones up.
     
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    Thank you Jeff. That was quite thoughtful of you. I see what you are talking about. thats a great observation. i'm wondering if im doing that because im rallying topspin or if i do that on all my forehands. I can hit the forehand quite hard when i flatten it out a little more. im not sure if im hitting it correctly or not though when I do. I will video my forehand again and see if I notice a change. I will also concentrate on doing what you said with trying to keep the racquet going through the ball more instead of across the body so quickly. Thanks for the feedback. :D
     
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  49. ZPTennis

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    thank you. getting more leg bend in my 1st serve has always been very difficult for me. I wish I had more, but its one of the aspects of my game i have trouble with, which is why i don't have very much leg bend. I have recently changed my serve a little bit and am putting more weight shift into the ball than I did before and has helped increase my power. Its something I actually used to do, but for some reason I went away from it until my dad recently visited me and corrected it. :)
     
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    Your forehand is really looking good to me. I wish I could have that ;-)
     
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