VIdeo of my serves and groundstrokes

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  1. damasta55

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    I know my backhand is not so good, my brother who was returning my balls sucked, so there isn't much examples of my forehand. Plz ignore the japanese ladys in the background. Sorry i couldn't get another angle, i had to put the camera on a bench. So what ntrp am I? I think im 3.0-3.5? help on forehand and backhand and serve please

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vH7FJWYEck
     
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  2. ramseszerg

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    I would say 2.5, but I'm not sure. I just know you're not 3.0 or 3.5.
    You are probably using a forehand grip for your serve. Switching to continental is the first step. Then, be very aware of what your racquet plane is doing throughout your swing. http://www.revolutionarytennis.com/step12-4stroke.html Right now, the waiter thing is exactly what you're doing.

    I won't go further to talk about stuff i dont know:( yeah, thats my "principle" posting help sometimes as a noob. Say stuff only if you are absolutely sure.
     
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  3. Tim Set Match

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    ha, the Japanese lady's in the background are cool.... I do have a thing for Asian girls. lol. Although they're probably too old to be called girls. Anyway...!

    You need to keep your wrist firmer on your ground strokes, mainly on your backhand. You need to start lower and finish higher on both strokes. Your racquet should start at least a foot below the point at which you plan to make contact with the ball. You should be finishing over your shoulder on both strokes. Your arm should be straight at the point of contact on a backhand.

    Your footwork needs some work. Get to where you want to hit the ball fast.. then stand with more stability on the ground while you hit. Always stand in ready position when waiting for the ball.

    You definitely need to switch to a continental grip on the serve. Basically hold the racquet like you would hold it if you were going to hit someone with it, or if you were going to hammer a nail into the wall with it. The "V" that your index finger makes with your thumb should be right on top of the racquet handle if the racquet face is perpedicular to the ground. Your contact point on the serve needs to be a lot higher... your arm should be straight or almost straight at contact.

    Check this video out for backhand: http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-6762291592353358995&q=federer+backhand

    Good luck with your tennis!
     
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  4. Steven87

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    You are deff. not even close to even a 3. Probably a weak 1.5 IMO. The footwork is just ugly and the serve isnt even contienental. Dont blame your brother for returning bad, blame yourself for not being able to hit the bad returns :p
     
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  5. shindemac

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    Definitely not a 3.0 or higher. 2.0 to 2.5 and on the low range. You really have no strokes, so why do you think you are so high? It looks like you've only played tennis for a few months or less, and you don't look too athletic. All your strokes look weird and ugly right now. The forehand is definitely your best shot, but even then your mechanics are messed up.

    I would recommend you and your brother slow down the pace of the ball. It's obvious you guys are beginners, so stop trying to kill every ball. You guys need to get used to getting in position and setting up properly for each shot. As you get better, you can up the pace or angles. But right now, hit it slow so you can practice your footwork and your groundstroke technique. It's obvious you are practicing the wrong techniques right now, so slow it down so you can correct yourself.

    Looking at it again, it was painful to watch. Most of the rallies are 1 to 2 hits!, meaning you feed the ball and it doesn't even come back. You have quite a few mis-hits. You guys should hit it nice and easy to each other. Don't make the other guy run around the court.
     
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    HAPPY 1000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I lost count of how many faults you did.
     
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  7. DragonNeedSpank

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    ok wen u serve... ur formation and motion is all wrong... u can toss the ball higher so u can reach ur full extend and give a lil jump wen u serve.... work on ur foot... constantly move ur foot around... and always hold ur racquet... u want ur racquet to be up at all times... bend ur knees wen u use ur forehand and back hand... u r moving back wen u use forehand and backhand dont do that.... work on ur forehand and backhand motion.... dont bend ur elbow too much wen u use forehand it can give u tennis elbow.... wear drifit clothes and shorts and maybe tennis shoes?..... how can u play like that? iono if i got everything but thats all i can see for now if i see more errors ill post em....
     
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  8. zhan

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    ok...
    lets not go too harsh...
    everyone starts out as a new player
    so...
    here is the NTRP rating for 3.0
    but u actually dont fit the criteria as of now...
    fro, the video... you look like this...

    or what we call 2.0


    but if u spend more time ... just think, hit, then hit some more... and train really hard... day in and day out
    u should get better really fast...
    basically u need to make up ur mind if u want to be good at it...
    u have to tell urself every morning to not be lazy and watch tv but to go out side and start hitting
     
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  9. Hondasteve

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    Don't be discouraged by all the criticism you have received.

    We all have to start somewhere, and you look like you have some talent and desire to play well, or you wouldn't have posted here. Keep practicing your strokes, concentrating onthe fundamentals. If you read this board and take only half of the information you get to the court, you will still be ahead of the game.

    Take the time to look on YOutube at some of the pro's strokes and attempt to emulate what you see there. Don't put too much pressure onyourself to get better overnight-very few tennis players develop quickly. It is all about practice, hard work, and more practice. Hit tons of balls against a wall if there is one available. Serve thousands of balls, then serve thousands more to hone your serve.

    Those cats on the ATP have hit millions of balls and spent countless hours being drilled by coaches-we hackers can only hope to attain a fraction of their level of play.

    Good luck on your game!
     
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  10. zhan

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    and on top i recommend 2 handed backhand to start...
    with the left hand it gives u more stability, more control, more direction
    ...
    then when u can hit with that consistently then u can proly invest time into developing a 1 hander
     
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  11. tennispr()

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    def. not 3.0-3.5 but you'll get better = ]
     
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  12. Andres

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    How many balls did u have in your pocket!!???
    In one point, I think you took like 4 or 5 in a row :mrgreen:
     
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  13. DrGeoz

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    Haha, i like the little kid in the end sayin "Use two hands for a backhand.":p

    Um, everything looks akward. Footwork especially.
     
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  14. Rickson

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    Who's speaking Korean in the background? You need a lot of work, but keep going for it. Need more knee bend and you might consider getting airborne on your serves. On your backhand, you have a bad habit of folding your arm up at the end. Keep that arm straight. Good luck.
     
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  15. strcmp

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    Not even close to 3.0.
    I say 2.0 NTRP.

    i'm sure others can help you fix your problems if you keep reading these forums though.
     
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  16. Bryant

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    I'm just gonna offer 1 piece of advice seeing that I'm still a noob myself.

    You need to stay on your toes. You were flat footed and didn't move well. Also, move your feet to get to the ball don't just reach for it. You weren't getting a good jump on the balls as well.
     
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  17. maverick1

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    I played in a USTA 3.0 league this year and I agree with the majority of the replies here.
    All the 3.0 players I know have a more consistent serve, forehand and backhand than this.
    I don't know what 2.0 or 2.5 are like, so I can't place you exactly. Besides, your match playing skills are perhaps more important than ball-hitting skills in determining your rating.

    But please don't be discouraged. You asked for an opinion and everyone seems to be giving their honest opinion.

    I admire your courage in putting up your video and inviting comments.
    You seem highly motivated, so I think you will learn fast, because I did and you look less than half my age. I was below 3.0 15 months ago when I started taking Tennis seriously. My serve was worse than yours though my ground shots were better. Now I expect the USTA computer to bump me up to 3.5 after my undefeated season. In my club league, I have even beaten players with offcial ratings of 4.0 and 3.5 respectively.

    My personal favorite from of instruction is TennisOne.com. It is a $50/year subscription, but it has been a huge help to me. It is a lot cheaper than hiring a pro, and it is a lot better in many ways, though it is not a total substitute.

    There is a lot of stuff there, but what I liked best are Heath Waters' videos that teach each major shot by breaking down the mechanics of several world class pros playing that shot.
    I used it to learn the mechanics of the modern fh, 2hbh, volleys. For serve, I used some other articles/videos on this site.

    There are probably 10 different things to get right before you have the recommended technique for a given shot. My approach was to concentrate on one or two things at a time, consciously execute the right mechanics until they became second nature. I obviously don't have it all down(else I would be 4.5), and I some times relapse to old habits (my eyes still have a tendency to look at the target rather than in the direction of the contact point, even though experience has shown that I have much greater consistency when I keep my head down and still). But my form is much improved.

    Like me, you will probably find that the before you can get the mechanics right you need better judgement of the ball. In order to go through the mechanics, you need to know ahead of time approximately when & where the contact is going to be, then get to that point, and begin your stroke at the right amount of time before the ball gets there. I know no way of speeding up the process of acquiring ball judgment other than through a lot of experience.

    That is just my experience. Find some approach that works for you and is fun. We will be rooting for you. When you get better, post links to the old and new videos. Your story will be an inspiration for others.
    Good luck!
     
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  18. ZPTennis

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    I would say your a solid 2.0. Keep playing a lot though and you'll make 3.0. Just takes practice and repetition.
     
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  19. xxzero90xx

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    Dude, the video wasnt too nice, but youll get better if you want to. I was like that when i started playing too, to the point where I just wanted to quit tennis b/c I was so bad, but I made up my mind and wanted to get better. It was summer so every morning I went to the courts and started hitting with the wall/backboard when ther was no one to play with . The wall helped alot, I say its one of you best opponents when practicing, it never loses. In a couple weeks I went from a 1.5/2.0 to a 3.0/3.5. That was a year ago, I still go to the wall again sometimes when there is nobody to play with I was on the courts probably 4-5 hrs a day.
     
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  20. dmastous

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    Seek professional help.
    With practice you may achieve 3.0 someday.
    There are just so many things to point out it would be overload.
    I'll point out the first thing I saw. The serve.
    You have a nice knee bend, but your letting the toss come to you and hitting while your knees are still bent. You aren't driving up to the ball. Then you are falling away from the point of contact instead of having your momentum going through the ball.
    Many issues with the backhand. Many with the forehand, but you weren't able to hit many of those. In fact you weren't having too many rallys. But instead of capping on your brother, encourage him to get better with you.
    There's no saying you can't get where you want to get to, but be satisfied that you can have a lot of fun improving.
     
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  21. shindemac

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    I was thinking, and the advice I gave you was bad in the sense that it may still have been too advanced for you (slowing the pace down). Normally, I would just say work on your footwork and agree with the others who have said the same thing, but since you are pretty much a beginner, I would have to disagree this time. I think you should cut the footwork out of the equation; Why add another step and make the stroke harder for you. So what do I mean? Well, you really have to start at the beginning. Do shadow strokes. Put the ball on a cone. Dangle the ball from a string. I know you'll scoff at these ideas, so hopefully this one is more reasonable. Have your partner stand at the service line, and feed you a basket of balls to your forehand. Make sure it is nice, and easy, and bounces to a good height, and goes right to you. Then do the same for your partner. It's really important you do these drills, and then maybe at the end, you guys can rally for like 15 min. Right now, you guys are just wasting each other's time feeding each other unreachable balls that you have little chance of returning.

    Don't be too discouraged that everyone here thinks you're a 2.0-2.5. I know it's a far cry from the 3.5-4.0 you thought you were, but a dose of reality is good for you. Hopefully, you're buckle down and do the hard work that's necessary to improve.
     
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  22. dmastous

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    100% correct. You need to walk before you can run. You aren't Federer, or Nadal, and you can't get away with swinging like them.
     
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  23. siber222000

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    yes people can help him get better, but his the one who need to try out new things instead of reading the forum all the time expecting he'll be so good after reading couple posts. I asked so many questions about kick serve couple weeks ago... no one helped me, I learned it by myself by trying out different stuff.
     
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  24. tennistensai

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    I think thats the best thing Ive heard all day. I asked for help with my game and did not get much good help. All I found out was that I was doing something wrong and now I have to try to find out how to fix it on my own. But to the dude that posted the video good luck man. I learned recently it takes ALOT of time and effort to get to mildly decent.
     
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  25. noobplayer

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    btw im damasta's bro and i always tell him he suks...i usually go hit against the wall instead of with him as i can hit consistently with the wall versus his "wild" shots that goes into other people's court or over the fence. the reason the rally isnt "sustained" his because i never hit is out balls....his ball are almsot always out or way too close to the baseline...other balls are just wild...so ya i dont hit those back...and some of the shots on the video, the ball didnt go over the net...also i know his serve suks...mine almost always gets in..im most likely a 3.0...hmm maybe i'll post a video to prove it.
    anyway my bros serve is ultra bad...i call his the "squat" serve because it looks like hes squatting :)...his forehand is actually pretty good..he has pretty good topspin but most of the time its too powerful and flies out...his backhand is like "nonexistant" and he just slashes at the ball? thats what i call his slices...slashes.... anyway thnx for telling him his true "ntrp"..hes always saying i suck but my serves look way better than his and are accurate...i use a 2-handed bh so way better...my forehand might not have as much spin but at least they dont go out..anyways thnx for all the comments...btw this is ala moana park in hawaii in case anyone knows...ala moana beach (near waikiki) man it was a scorcher...90 degress outside
     
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  26. strcmp

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    Hehe that's funny.. both of them say each other sucks..:)
    Damasta's brother should post his video too lol
     
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  27. dmastous

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    This is good. A little brotherly competition.... I look forward to seeing you prove your words.
     
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  28. snoflewis

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    as much as i want to believe that...i really don't. look forward to your video.

    i think it's terrible how someone says they're a certain level and post a video, and they get flamed like mad...lol...i just find it funny...so detrimental
     
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  29. TENNIS_IS_FUN

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    You guys are harsh, he hasnt even had the courage to reply yet.
     
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  30. siber222000

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    hahah that made me laugh :p
     
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  31. AngeloDS

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    You're a 1.5, with great potential to reach a 3.5 or 4.0 in about a year and a half.

    Haha, oddly I understood what the korean women were talking about.

    I like the natural wrist release. Your shots while they are horrible, I must say the things that develop good shots (looseness, wrist release, natural shot-selection reaction and some decent idea how to face and open up in the shot) are there. You just need direction and teaching in real life and you can be there.

    It really depends on how serious you want to be about tennis, and what you plan on doing. If you're serious the path to 4.0 should be an easy one for you. You just have to put in a lot of hours, work on stroke mechanics and footwork, and just hit with someone for about an hour a day.

    Strokes can be learned easily in months. Say 2-3 months easily for a serve and a forehand, say 4-5 for a decent one handed backhand. But it takes a lot of hours of hitting and drilling to become consistent with those shots and then to translate them into match play.
     
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  32. TENNIS_IS_FUN

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    Here is my advice:

    Whenever you play tennis, whether it be practice or a game, always play to improve, and not to win. Although the feeling of victory can be extremely satisfying, playing to improve will actually help you win more games. Playing to win often is the one thing that makes players mentally weak. Whenever you see someone break down mentally, it is usually because they have the "I need to win this point at all costs" type of attitude. This type of mind set can be useful when it really counts, but other than that, it is something that makes players play worse, and below their potential. Here is why: Whenever someone puts enough pressure on themselves, and ends up "failing," they become even more conservative, often taking dinks at the ball, and losing confidence. I'm not saying play like you dont care, but play as if you're rallying. And remember, actual games are times when you should be improving the most, not getting worse. With that being said, i think i should just take off my avatar of Safin right now :(
     
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  33. HyperHorse

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    Forehand looks fine to me.
    Serve- stance is too open, not extending fully...
    Backhand- get a squash ball and squeeze it endlessly to get some strength & stability in that wrist... EARLY preparation is the key, swing loose and easy, get a full shoulder turn. You just lack that strength needed to hit the high balls...
    Seriously, just get some coaching, group lessons would be fine because you need the hands on attention from a coach because we can only explain/show you so much with words...
    You're doing fine, dont give up and you'll improve.
    Ignore negative comments from other posters here on your possible rate of improvement, just take it day by day.
    oh and how old are you?
     
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  34. emo5

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    oh man this is great stuff!
    you have a brother who says you suck and im sure you hate each others guts.
    This will probably be your main inspiration to tennis; the fact you one day, wanna kick his arse at something he's 'supposedly' good at.
    I started taking tennis seriously by getting 6-0 ass whoppings :p.
    Maybe you should copy your brother depending on how he is.

    Anyways, here's how I see things:
    you've probably read everyone's comments on your tennis and have started to take things into consideration. I'll list some tips numbered.
    1. Do not try to copy the pros. This is a bad way to start because they all started liek you and you wont get anywhere jumping basic steps!

    2. Forget about the Continental Grip. Serve with what you feel comfortable with most. I started serve with the Eastern Forehand grip(what your using now) and then switched, but not immediately. (yeah, you guys can waste your time typing about how bad my advice is, I wouldnt give a crap.)

    3.It's hard you help you out by theory! Reading things on a message board can be so confusing without proper definition. You wont have a clue what we're really talking about so go look for some basic videos online.

    4. You need to experiment yourself. Slowly... Dont just smack the ball, it doesnt help. Try whatever feels best without swinging too fast and then when you feel like it's consistent swing faster.

    Finally, reply!! We wanna hear if you've been shattered or feel confident. Possibly post another video after trying out new things.
     
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  35. Tim Set Match

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    First of all your shots are not "horrible!" They are normal for someone who has not received a lot of instruction.

    Second, I completely agree with AngeloDS's observation. You have the set of skills that someone with a lot of potential in tennis generally has. In fact, I've seen people who have played for 10 years or more who have weak technique on their forehand compared to you. Seek instruction and keep practicing; you'll be there in no time!
     
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  36. siber222000

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    u know i was watching rogers cup and i saw andre agassi commercial and it was very helpful ;) *keep your eyes on the ball* *move your feet* *and use ball PENN* haha maybe it's a good advice :mrgreen:
     
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  37. damasta55

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    okay finally a reply from me. thnx for all the advice. i am trying to migrate to a continental serving grip, i normally serve with sw grip i use for fh, but now im using eastern. lets see, im 16 right now and started playing when i was 14. I basically only play once or twice a week for around 2 hours. i never really had any lessons, had a couple group lessons. i think i'll try to post a better video when i have time. i dont think the posts were negative, just harsh reality.
     
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  38. zhan

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    not harsh...
    its just the truth...
    i guess people could of candy coat it a bit
    ;)
     
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  39. noobplayer

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    hey seeing as how this post somehow has been dragged up...im gonna post a video of my serve just to see myself serving as my bro says it looks junk and maybe strokes..might be sometime this month so look for it...dont have much time as school has started and i really dont want to bring a camcorder to school along with my heavy arse books....
     
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  40. LMfire

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    Is that Tom or Roger in the vid? Well, I suggest that both of you work on your footwork and groundstrokes while seeking help. I mean, I've seen you play at school frequently last year and honestly, judging by this video, I dont see much improvement from a year ago. But dont let this bring you down. Work harder. Play 3-5 times a week, or more if you like, and play to improve, not to beat your brother.
     
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  41. goober

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    I think it is high time to invest in some private lessons. You have been playing for two years and there are problems with your forehand, backhand, serve and footwork. You still look like a complete beginner even though you have been playing 2 years. Your lack of correct form is really holding you back from advancing. I am not big on rating people based on short videos but you are not even close to a 3.0. The good news is that you recognize there is a problem and you are trying to do something about it. With some good coaching and lots of practice you can advance your skill level easily.
     
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  42. drakulie

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    like zhan, you are a 1.5 player.
     
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  44. tennistensai

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    thats a bit harsh
     
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  45. goober

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    I wouldn't be too hard on the guy.

    A lot of people who have not actually played a competitve match in a tournament or league are pretty clueless about their ratings. 3.0-3.5 seems to be the lowest NTRP ratings thrown around here so they think "that must be me because I am not a complete beginner. "

    In general this what I have found.

    -The shorter you have been playing the more likely you are to overrate yourself.

    -People who just play recreationally not competitively generally rate themselves too high.

    -Teenagers tend to rate themselves too high.

    - >90% of people I have met through the internet on Cragislist, tennis partner websites, you can subtract one and many times 2 levels from their stated level of ability.
     
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  46. beernutz

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    If you go PLAY some actual 3.0s 3.5s 4.0s, ... (meaning people who consistently win in those level leagues) in matches where they are actually trying to beat you, you'll find out what you are pretty quickly.

    FWIW, based only on your video, I don't think you could beat any of the 3.0s I know.
     
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  47. dannyjjang

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    definitley a 7.0
     
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  48. baros

    baros Semi-Pro

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    man you play 4 hours a week for two years thats were your at they don't make them like they use to.
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  49. BiGGieStuFF

    BiGGieStuFF Hall of Fame

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    I want my 3mins and 26 seconds back!!

    J/k. Definitely a lot of flaws but if you've spent this much time trying to self-teach yourself, you should definitely look into lessons. I'm entirely self taught but I've spent a lot of time reading and watching video to improve myself. You have the power of video, use it to your advantage.
     
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  50. arnz

    arnz Professional

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    Too true unfortunately. I usually am courteous though, and give them an alloted hour, even if I'm bored out of my mind:mrgreen:
     
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